Immigration

[mrsblue]

Because its personalising the issue , thus the issue moves from the concept to the person, and his race.

Nothing to do with suiting an agenda in the slightest

In your opinion though,


Those thugs
Those Skinheads
Those people

Its a word used aplenty,yet you choose the meaning to be different than the majority,to have any sensible debate everybody has to remain adult without labelling any word that suits them.Now if anybody was using words/terms we all know are below the belt then fair enough.

 

[Firestorm]

In your opinion though,


Those thugs
Those Skinheads
Those people

Its a word used aplenty,yet you choose the meaning to be different than the majority,to have any sensible debate everybody has to remain adult without labelling any word that suits them.Now if anybody was using words/terms we all know are below the belt then fair enough.

Conceptualise the word into the post it was originally used in, ie the difference between Immigration and immigrants and then try again

 

[mrsblue]

Grow up, learn to read a post properly and then try to quote it correctly too.

No one said the word "those" cannot be used .

If you can't understand what is being said in a post , question it by all means , but don't make yourself look an idiot by misunderstanding and then screaming off at a tangent...

Those people is what you typed,you own words Not mine,you feel aggrieved by that term .

I never screamed anywhere.
An idiot in my eyes is when somebody States "those people is offensive"

 

[mrsblue]

Conceptualise the word into the post it was originally used in, ie the difference between Immigration and immigrants and then try again

You entered he debate and before the debate actually begun you were insisting on the phrase must not be used,how many more phrases have you got?

 

[Firestorm]

Those people is what you typed,you own words Not mine,you feel aggrieved by that term .

I never screamed anywhere.
An idiot in my eyes is when somebody States "those people is offensive"

Read the post, Quote "as soon as phrases such "those people" start to bring it down to a human level, it starts getting into dubious territory"
Nothing about "those people" being offensive.

Screaming off at a tangent is a pretty standard idiom , nothing to do with screaming.

 

[Firestorm]

You entered he debate and before the debate actually begun you were insisting on the phrase must not be used,how many more phrases have you got?

Nothing about "must not be used" , Did you actually read the post ?

Tell you what , here is the post

I think the issue is clouded by the vast majority of those who are anti immigration, appearing to also be anti immigrant (which is racist) . No problems in discussing immigration, but as soon as phrases such "those people" start to bring it down to a human level, it starts getting into dubious territory


Please highlight the "words must not be used" or where I said it cannot be used .

 

[mrsblue]

Read the post, Quote "as soon as phrases such "those people" start to bring it down to a human level, it starts getting into dubious territory"
Nothing about "those people" being offensive.

Screaming off at a tangent is a pretty standard idiom , nothing to do with screaming.

Ok if I was playing chess but insisted my opponent cannot take my pieces then I'm not playing chess but dictating the terms,isn't that exactly what you tried to do in dictating what anyone could write .

 

[mrsblue]

Nothing about "must not be used" , Did you actually read the post ?

Tell you what , here is the post

I think the issue is clouded by the vast majority of those who are anti immigration, appearing to also be anti immigrant (which is racist) . No problems in discussing immigration, but as soon as phrases such "those people" start to bring it down to a human level, it starts getting into dubious territory


Please highlight the "words must not be used" or where I said it cannot be used .

Yes i I did read it,I certainly don't need anyone to advise me on what I should or should not say.

 

[rigsby]

Grow up, learn to read a post properly and then try to quote it correctly too.

No one said the word "those" cannot be used .

If you can't understand what is being said in a post , question it by all means , but don't make yourself look an idiot by misunderstanding and then screaming off at a tangent...

Sorry, the difference between what ? , you have only put a "description" of one side there and I don't know which one you are describing.

Good to see its not just Tangled scoring spectacular own goals on this thread

 

[Firestorm]

Ok if I was playing chess but insisted my opponent cannot take my pieces then I'm not playing chess but dictating the terms,isn't that exactly what you tried to do in dictating what anyone could write .

I presume that means that you cant find anywhere I used the word offensive and that is your attempt at admitting you got it wrong.

 

[Firestorm]

Good to see its not just Tangled scoring spectacular own goals on this thread

Sorry you lost me, I seriously could only see one description, hence the question .

You said one side does etc etc, but no reference to the other , so I genuinely wanted to know which side you felt was being described, no tangents , just a reference to the post.

 

[mrsblue]

I presume that means that you cant find anywhere I used the word offensive and that is your attempt at admitting you got it wrong.

My point is which you must understand is why even type it in the first place.

This thread was going along ok until Tangled labelled everyone a racist then you posted your bit.

Bottom line is we are all adults and nobody wants to be labelled racist or told anything which is deemed to be getting close to the bone by some.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I'm for controlled immigration so I must be racist. Hey ho but I've never used the term, coloured......or fiddled the tax man now I come to think of it. Oh well, racist it is.

If the cap fits..:winking:

Btw,Hacienda (the Spanish equivalent of the taxman) gave me a healthy rebate back in September, so I doubt if they think I've "fiddled "them.

Well done, some interesting points. Which reminds me there is one group of migrants that you yourself despise. So by your own theory you are a racist.

Please enlighten me.

 

[Firestorm]

My point is which you must understand is why even type it in the first place.

This thread was going along ok until Tangled labelled everyone a racist then you posted your bit.

Bottom line is we are all adults and nobody wants to be labelled racist or told anything which is deemed to be getting close to the bone by some.

I thought I was pointing out the difference between Immigration as a concept and immigrants as people and that only when the people are brought into the discussion a can it be a dubious area , obviously I wasn't concise enough.

 

[mrsblue]

I thought I was pointing out the difference between Immigration as a concept and immigrants as people and that only when the people are brought into the discussion a can it be a dubious area , obviously I wasn't concise enough.

Very true,

However I and others don't need to be told anything in fairness,as I have explained we are all adults and unless anybody crosses the line of decency and types racist language,we don't need any advice thanks.

 

[rigsby]

If the cap fits..:winking:

Btw,Hacienda (the Spanish equivalent of the taxman) gave me a healthy rebate back in September, so I doubt if they think I've "fiddled "them.



Please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]

How about Israeli migrants in Palestine. You must be ok with them because as you said anyone who opposes immigration is a racist.

 

[Benfleet A1]

If the cap fits..:winking:

Btw,Hacienda (the Spanish equivalent of the taxman) gave me a healthy rebate back in September, so I doubt if they think I've "fiddled "them.



Please enlighten me.

Yep, cap sits fine with me. You want to call me racist then feel your boots, we will always have 'coloured's' to define your true feelings.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]

How about Israeli migrants in Palestine. You must be ok with them because as you said anyone who opposes immigration is a racist.

It would have been wiser to write probably a racist.

I know (from my own experience) that some Israelis are openly racist towards Arabs.

You however are talking about settlements of which many are unauthorised ie illegal.

Even the authorised ones should never have been built,IMO.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Yep, cap sits fine with me. You want to call me racist then feel your boots, we will always have 'coloured's' to define your true feelings.

I think you can take it as read that the "coloured" remark was an unintentional faux pas.:cricko:

Mea culpa.

 

[londonblue]

It would have been wiser to write probably a racist.

I know (from my own experience) that some Israelis are openly racist towards Arabs.

You however are talking about settlements which are illegal.

You mean you believe them to be Illegal. It's never been tested.

As for some Israeli's being racist. You're right. As a country they're no better or worse than any other country. It would, however, be balanced of you to point out that Israelis also suffer a huge amount of racism from the entire Arab World.