Hard or Soft Brexit?

[superblue24]

Hello you lucky Brexiters.

Don't usually listen to farming programmes but this morning on BBC4 was quite instructive. What I understood, from an enthusiastic Tory Brexiter, who was responsible for agriculture. Food prices will come down.............and why? Simply because good British meat (lamb) will be sold off abroad to the highest bidder. It will end up too expensive for the average English buyer.........but no worry, British meat will be replaced by cheap cuts from South America and the USA, which have been treated with all those nasty substances not allowed under EU laws. Food production can also be boosted by use of OGM's and there will be no EU laws to prevent the use of helpful insecticides such as 'roundup'........ENJOY!

Doubtful, we'll be thriving from leaving that oppressive institution known as the EU. You and Barna will be scoffing pigs trotters for Sunday dinners once the EU collapses under the lack of financial support from the UK and the Spanish, Greek and Italian leeching the economy.

Meanwhile we'll be enjoying the best cuts of British beef whilst we watch on TV the implosion of the EU.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Doubtful, we'll be thriving from leaving that oppressive institution known as the EU. You and Barna will be scoffing pigs trotters for Sunday dinners once the EU collapses under the lack of financial support from the UK and the Spanish, Greek and Italian leeching the economy.

Meanwhile we'll be enjoying the best cuts of British beef whilst we watch on TV the implosion of the EU.

Sorry but that's a Northern dish and I'm an Essex man.

BTW,the EU won't be collapsing any time soon, (certainly not once the UK's expensive divorce settlement is finalised).

 

[Bielzibubz]

Sorry but that's a Northern dish and I'm an Essex man.

BTW,the EU won't be collapsing any time soon, (certainly not once the UK's expensive divorce settlement is finalised).

:hilarious: oh Barna. Do you honestly think the amount, whatever it is, that the UK has to pay as a penalty will go anywhere near to filling the financial black hole that is the EU? I mean come on Barna. Let's say for arguments sake the UK get's fined £250m (a gross assumption on my part but hey ho, let's run with it) The EU budget for just 2013 was a staggering £150 billion. Now I don't need to do the math for you do I? I assume you're capable. Our paltry 'fine' will be just small drop in the financial ocean as far as EU expenditure is concerned.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

:hilarious: oh Barna. Do you honestly think the amount, whatever it is, that the UK has to pay as a penalty will go anywhere near to filling the financial black hole that is the EU? I mean come on Barna. Let's say for arguments sake the UK get's fined £250m (a gross assumption on my part but hey ho, let's run with it) The EU budget for just 2013 was a staggering £150 billion. Now I don't need to do the math for you do I? I assume you're capable. Our paltry 'fine' will be just small drop in the financial ocean as far as EU expenditure is concerned.

Whatever amount the UK will have to pay for its divorce from the EU it certainly won't be "a fine." It'll be the price to pay for already exising committments.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39730326

It's reality check time folks.

 

[Bielzibubz]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39730326

It's reality check time folks.

Your'e not that nieve and gullible are you Barna? Although we don't get on politically even I didn't have you down as someone that can't see past political posturing and sabre rattling. It's purely words, no more no less. For 'some people' just read Teresa May. She's having a sly dig that's all and anything more read into Frau Merkels statement is extremely naive.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Whatever amount the UK will have to pay for its divorce from the EU it certainly won't be "a fine." It'll be the price to pay for already exising committments.

Counter the point I made, not find pedantic faults in my wording there's a good chap.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Your'e not that nieve and gullible are you Barna? Although we don't get on politically even I didn't have you down as someone that can't see past political posturing and sabre rattling. It's purely words, no more no less. For 'some people' just read Teresa May. She's having a sly dig that's all and anything more read into Frau Merkels statement is extremely naive.

But the words mean,quite clearly,settle the divorce bill first, then we can negotiate a trade deal.

Counter the point I made, not find pedantic faults in my wording there's a good chap.

I'm happy to grant you that whatever final divorce settlement the UK pays the EU,it'll be a drop in the ocean compared to the EU's running costs.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

£350 million per week - unbelievably Boris Johnson has been defending this figure as correct - now, in April 2017 he still claims that to be true. Why are the Tories STILL lying on this?

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

£350 million per week - unbelievably Boris Johnson has been defending this figure as correct - now, in April 2017 he still claims that to be true. Why are the Tories STILL lying on this?

Because they know they can get away with it?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...nited-ireland-to-allow-swift-return-for-north

Looks like the EU believe in a united Ireland.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...alth-insurance-card-ehic-healthcare-europe-uk

Not looking good on the EHIC front.

 

[superblue24]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...alth-insurance-card-ehic-healthcare-europe-uk

Not looking good on the EHIC front.

Hopefully the NHS will become a chargeable service to non-nationals also.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Hopefully the NHS will become a chargeable service to non-nationals also.

Don't think you'll find that particular pledge in the Tory's 2017 manifesto.:winking:

 

[superblue24]

Don't think you'll find that particular pledge in the Tory's 2017 manifesto.:winking:

Is it in Labours?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Hopefully the NHS will become a chargeable service to non-nationals also.

I think it largely already is, but its a big admin job so unlikely to be prioritised.

 

[londonblue]

Good to see labour promising to build 1 million new homes. I'm sure I've heard that somewhere before...now where was it...oh yes, it was Camercsum.

Labour stealing tory policies? Wonders will never cease.

Of course, the reason the tories didn't actually achieve this is the same reason labour won't. Apart from the fact that they're going to lose this election big time, it's because it is much harder to build houses than it is to say.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Good to see labour promising to build 1 million new homes. I'm sure I've heard that somewhere before...now where was it...oh yes, it was Camercsum.

Labour stealing tory policies? Wonders will never cease.

Of course, the reason the tories didn't actually achieve this is the same reason labour won't. Apart from the fact that they're going to lose this election big time, it's because it is much harder to build houses than it is to say.

Isn't also the type of housing as well. On my rare trips back to Essex, there appears to be quite a bit of development but as far as I've seen, it's not what one could term as affordable housing.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Good to see labour promising to build 1 million new homes. I'm sure I've heard that somewhere before...now where was it...oh yes, it was Camercsum.

Labour stealing tory policies? Wonders will never cease.

Of course, the reason the tories didn't actually achieve this is the same reason labour won't. Apart from the fact that they're going to lose this election big time, it's because it is much harder to build houses than it is to say.

I think building houses pre-dates the Cameron government so as idea theft I'm not sure that really rings true.

If your analysis of Labour policy will only run as far as 'they're going to lose the election' maybe analyse Tory policy instead?

 

[rigsby]

Isn't also the type of housing as well. On my rare trips back to Essex, there appears to be quite a bit of development but as far as I've seen, it's not what one could term as affordable housing.

Nor should it be. Affordable housing is a nice sound bite used by politicians but solves nothing. 1 million 3/4 bedroom council houses built mainly in the South East after Brexit would solve the housing crisis.