Hard or Soft Brexit?

[callan]

You're talking about someone who may have filled in the foms incorrecly.I believe they weigh in at some 55 pages long.


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No I asked you what filling the form in wrong, has to do with brexit....not how long the form was.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39609927

Seems like everone wants to be Irish these days.:winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

No I asked you what filling the form in wrong, has to do with brexit....not how long the form was.

I suggest you re-read the article.The kids´mother provided birth certificates which presumably showed that her children had been born in the Uk.In any case, when are 12 and 15 year olds required to provide "proof" that they usually live at home? :stunned:

 

[Benfleet A1]

Can we go back to the vineyard chat. Far more interesting than trolling links.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Can we go back to the vineyard chat. Far more interesting than trolling links.

a few years ago I visited a Shrimper friend who was living in one of the back to back houses in Leeds. At the end of the road there was a house sized gap with no roof. I asked and was told it was a vineyard.

The next day it was playing on my mind and I asked if they really have the weather to grow grapes and was told 'not vineyard, binyard - the house at the end of the road is where we throw our rubbish'

 

[Benfleet A1]

a few years ago I visited a Shrimper friend who was living in one of the back to back houses in Leeds. At the end of the road there was a house sized gap with no roof. I asked and was told it was a vineyard.

The next day it was playing on my mind and I asked if they really have the weather to grow grapes and was told 'not vineyard, binyard - the house at the end of the road is where we throw our rubbish'

See, much more interesting.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Since we're talking vineyards on this thread now,You might want to check out http://www.arcay.fr/

It's owned by Jean.His parents Gerard and Annie are good friends of my wife's.In fact they had a meal around ours just a week or so ago.

Their wine is excellent btw!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/15/britain-set-to-lose-eu-crown-jewels

Bye,bye bankers.

 

[onceknownasrab]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/15/britain-set-to-lose-eu-crown-jewels

Bye,bye bankers.[/QUOTE

It is a shame, that while Britain is looking for an amicable divorce, the EU are turning it into an attempted mugging. Tusk and Barnier want to keep the house and the car but also expect us to keep paying maintenance even though they are not our children.

Since we joined the EU, we have paid them a half a trillion pounds, and we have consistently been one of the biggest contributors. Much of what the EU has done, and has acquired, has been at the British tax payers expense. They clearly believe that getting 50-60 billion from us will smooth over the budget deficit for the coming decade and they pray by then they will be able to survive without our input.

The single minded, narrow focused, leaders of the EU are heading toward an EU meltdown. Almost every speech they make about Brexit contains a threat. Its time we, as a united Britain, stood firm and told them to either temper their demands or bring it on!

The rigidity of the EU is the main stumbling block. They need to understand the issues involving all 28 countries and to be as fluid as possible. Never will one size fit all. I sincerely hope for the greatest of amity between us and our mainland European neighbours/friends but I also know the bonds that tie us together will be severely tested by power mad, corrupt, self serving, parasites that troll the corridors of the EU in Brussels.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

It's my belief (certainly my hope) that the 27 will use the opportunity that Brexit provides, to go on to full economic and political union,which the EU merely started with monetary union and the Euro.

 

[rigsby]

It's my belief (certainly my hope) that the 27 will use the opportunity that Brexit provides, to go on to full economic and political union,which the EU merely started with monetary union and the Euro.

That's what 17m people were worried about and why we voted out.

 

[onceknownasrab]

It's my belief (certainly my hope) that the 27 will use the opportunity that Brexit provides, to go on to full economic and political union,which the EU merely started with monetary union and the Euro.

I too would like to live in Utopia but unfortunately I am forced to live in reality. A full economic and political union may be masterminded by the elite classes that assume they know best for everyone but the people will not accept it. It would splinter and fracture and create bigger divisions than we have now.

The differences, we 'endure' currently, are not all negatives. I enjoy and respect diversity and have no desire to have a superstate of stepford inhabitants. In this modern era there is absolutely no reason why we cannot all rub along in a friendly and accepting way without having to impose our preferred ways on everyone. It seems vogue at the moment to huddle the masses under one umbrella. Nationalism is seen as ugly and yet can merely be a desire to maintain ones identity and not have it lost because a bunch of pen pushers deem it outmoded.

I am returning to France tomorrow and know I will be in a beautiful country and a wonderful people. I feel privileged to be able to be there, work and live. The French, as you know, are a proud nation and love to protect their history and identity. Just as many others do across the world. Strong independent countries are only a problem when they fail to look outward to the rest of the world. We do not need a superstate to do that. We need tolerance and acceptance. The rule of law does not promote decency and civility.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I too would like to live in Utopia but unfortunately I am forced to live in reality. A full economic and political union may be masterminded by the elite classes that assume they know best for everyone but the people will not accept it. It would splinter and fracture and create bigger divisions than we have now.

The differences, we 'endure' currently, are not all negatives. I enjoy and respect diversity and have no desire to have a superstate of stepford inhabitants. In this modern era there is absolutely no reason why we cannot all rub along in a friendly and accepting way without having to impose our preferred ways on everyone. It seems vogue at the moment to huddle the masses under one umbrella. Nationalism is seen as ugly and yet can merely be a desire to maintain ones identity and not have it lost because a bunch of pen pushers deem it outmoded.

I am returning to France tomorrow and know I will be in a beautiful country and a wonderful people. I feel privileged to be able to be there, work and live. The French, as you know, are a proud nation and love to protect their history and identity. Just as many others do across the world. Strong independent countries are only a problem when they fail to look outward to the rest of the world. We do not need a superstate to do that. We need tolerance and acceptance. The rule of law does not promote decency and civility.

On the subject of nationalism, I think it's a disgrace that Hungary hasn't been kicked out of the EU.

 

[callan]

I suggest you re-read the article.The kids´mother provided birth certificates which presumably showed that her children had been born in the Uk.In any case, when are 12 and 15 year olds required to provide "proof" that they usually live at home? :stunned:

What the mother failed to do, was to provide proof (under EU/EEA guidelines) of where the children had been living...what parent would not be able to do that?...so it's better that you follow your own advice in reading the article again...this time carefully and with the blinkers off.

The fact that they didn't fill the form in correctly still has nothing to do with Brexit.

It's my belief (certainly my hope) that the 27 will use the opportunity that Brexit provides, to go on to full economic and political union,which the EU merely started with monetary union and the Euro.

On the subject of nationalism, I think it's a disgrace that Hungary hasn't been kicked out of the EU.

Brilliant...not 27 then!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

What the mother failed to do, was to provide proof (under EU/EEA guidelines) of where the children had been living...what parent would not be able to do that?...so it's better that you follow your own advice in reading the article again...this time carefully and with the blinkers off.

The fact that they didn't fill the form in correctly still has nothing to do with Brexit.





Brilliant...not 27 then!

I've already read the article a couple of times thanks.It's quite clear that the couple made a post-Brexit application because they were worried about their and their children's status after the referendum.

 

[callan]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-stunned-as-uk-born-children-denied-residency

More Brexit misery for some.

I've already read the article a couple of times thanks.It's quite clear that the couple made a post-Brexit application because they were worried about their and their children's status after the referendum.

However you haven't understood that if you fill a form incorrectly or don't supply the correct details which prompts a negative response, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit.

You have had several opportunities over the last few days.... to tell me why post Brexit a form shouldn't be filled in properly...answers you have given so far are as follows;

The form is 55 pages long...nothing to do with brexit.

The form was filled in after Brexit....which may well have been the case, do you have any proof that pre Brexit you didn't have to fill forms in correctly?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Doubt if you have any idea of how obstructive passport/immigration officials can be.

Anecdotal I know, but I remember (some years ago now), being in London and trying to get my passport renewed (with our older but (then) under-age daughter's details also on it.Since our daughter had been on my previous passport and I had all the necessary information,including recent photo,English translation of her (French) birth certificate etc, I wasn't anticipating any problems.I remember being asked by the official if my daughter was travelling with me at the time. (it was a solo trip ,IIRC).When I answered in the negative,I was told in that case he couldn't issue a passport with our daughter's details on it.Of course I asked him what was to stop me getting a different number, joining a different queue and answering yes this time.To which he replied that he'd tell whoever I approached what I'd said to him.

At which point I gave up, as our daughter already had own French identity card and (as I said) had been on my previous passport.

As you can see I hope , it's not just a question of filling in a form correctly when in this sort of Kaffaesque situation.

 

[callan]

Doubt if you have any idea of how obstructive passport/immigration officials can be.

Anecdotal I know, but I remember (some years ago now), being in London and trying to get my passport renewed (with our older but (then) under-age daughter's details also on it.Since our daughter had been on my previous passport and I had all the necessary information,including recent photo,English translation of her (French) birth certificate etc, I wasn't anticipating any problems.I remember being asked by the official if my daughter was travelling with me at the time. (it was a solo trip ,IIRC).When I answered in the negative,I was told in that case he couldn't issue a passport with our daughter's details on it.Of course I asked him what was to stop me getting a different number, joining a different queue and answering yes this time.To which he replied that he'd tell whoever I approached what I'd said to him.

At which point I gave up, as our daughter already had own French identity card (and as I said) had been on my previous passport.

As you can see I hope , it's not just a question of filling in a form correctly when in this sort of Kaffaesque situation.

Did you put a post on SZ at the time blaming it all on Brexit?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Did you put a post on SZ at the time blaming it all on Brexit?

Ha! It was well before my join date.:smile:

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Hello you lucky Brexiters.

Don't usually listen to farming programmes but this morning on BBC4 was quite instructive. What I understood, from an enthusiastic Tory Brexiter, who was responsible for agriculture. Food prices will come down.............and why? Simply because good British meat (lamb) will be sold off abroad to the highest bidder. It will end up too expensive for the average English buyer.........but no worry, British meat will be replaced by cheap cuts from South America and the USA, which have been treated with all those nasty substances not allowed under EU laws. Food production can also be boosted by use of OGM's and there will be no EU laws to prevent the use of helpful insecticides such as 'roundup'........ENJOY!