General Boxing Thread

[Ricey]

GGG vs Kell Brook, WOW!! What a fight much more interesting than a fight against Eubank Jr. Looks like them dragging their feet lost them that fight. This is a huge fight for Brook he is finally going to prove himself against a huge name. If he wins this then the sky really is the limit. It's at the o2 and I hope that I can get tickets for this as they are both two fighters I enjoy watching.

 

[GBJ]

GGG vs Kell Brook, WOW!! What a fight much more interesting than a fight against Eubank Jr. Looks like them dragging their feet lost them that fight. This is a huge fight for Brook he is finally going to prove himself against a huge name. If he wins this then the sky really is the limit. It's at the o2 and I hope that I can get tickets for this as they are both two fighters I enjoy watching.

Kell's obviously got a death wish. I can't see any potential outcome where this goes well for him.

 

[Ricey]

Kell's obviously got a death wish. I can't see any potential outcome where this goes well for him.

He has more of a chance of an upset than Khan ever did against Canelo. Brook is a very big WW so going upto 160 won't be too much of an issue. I think this will be a good fight and not as one sided as people think.

 

[GBJ]

He has more of a chance of an upset than Khan ever did against Canelo. Brook is a very big WW so going upto 160 won't be too much of an issue. I think this will be a good fight and not as one sided as people think.

The difference with Canelo - Khan, is that Khan on paper had the attributes to beat Canelo. He possessed the tools, (again on paper) to exploit Canelo's weaknesses. Floyd showed us the blueprint for this, years ago.

The difference with this though, is that everything Kell is good at, Golovkin is better. Jab, footwork, ringcraft, timing, counter-punch, walking down/stalking, pressure, and of course, that what makes GGG the most feared fighter on the planet, his devastating power.

Then there's the weight factor. Brook, not even the best in his current division, has to step up nearly a stone in weight, to take on the P4P King? Hallmarks of SRL - Hagler, but not with the same outcome

 

[Ricey]

The difference with Canelo - Khan, is that Khan on paper had the attributes to beat Canelo. He possessed the tools, (again on paper) to exploit Canelo's weaknesses. Floyd showed us the blueprint for this, years ago.

The difference with this though, is that everything Kell is good at, Golovkin is better. Jab, footwork, ringcraft, timing, counter-punch, walking down/stalking, pressure, and of course, that what makes GGG the most feared fighter on the planet, his devastating power.

Then there's the weight factor. Brook, not even the best in his current division, has to step up nearly a stone in weight, to take on the P4P King? Hallmarks of SRL - Hagler, but not with the same outcome

Want to put a tenner bet on it? Loser pays SZ? I reckon Brook will win.

 

[GBJ]

Want to put a tenner bet on it? Loser pays SZ? I reckon Brook will win.

No offence to Ken, JC etc, but **** SZ, I want your cash in my pocket mate :smile:

 

[Chalky]

GGG vs Kell Brook, WOW!! What a fight much more interesting than a fight against Eubank Jr. Looks like them dragging their feet lost them that fight. This is a huge fight for Brook he is finally going to prove himself against a huge name. If he wins this then the sky really is the limit. It's at the o2 and I hope that I can get tickets for this as they are both two fighters I enjoy watching.

Did not see this one coming one bit! Massive fight but like GBJ says, I cant see anything past a GGG victory. But nonetheless Brook has finally got a big name and get paid big time and I cant wait!

Also interested where Eubank goes now? Billy J Saunders rematch? Jacobs? We shall see...Seems as if the Eubanks were faffing around with the negotiations and Hearn put his foot down, ruthless business from him!

Oh yeah, Hoping they make Dave Allen v Dillian Whyte for the Brook/Golovkin undercard. Lots of boxing to look forward too aint there!!

 

[Blue_Wes]

The difference with Canelo - Khan, is that Khan on paper had the attributes to beat Canelo. He possessed the tools, (again on paper) to exploit Canelo's weaknesses. Floyd showed us the blueprint for this, years ago.

The difference with this though, is that everything Kell is good at, Golovkin is better. Jab, footwork, ringcraft, timing, counter-punch, walking down/stalking, pressure, and of course, that what makes GGG the most feared fighter on the planet, his devastating power.

Then there's the weight factor. Brook, not even the best in his current division, has to step up nearly a stone in weight, to take on the P4P King? Hallmarks of SRL - Hagler, but not with the same outcome

Want to put a tenner bet on it? Loser pays SZ? I reckon Brook will win.

I would love Kell to do well, but there really is a very simple formula for this type of fight. A good big guy, beats a good little guy. I see it lasting 5/6 rounds before GGG stops him. I will definitely try and get to it though, and I will be cheering Kell on to do the impossible, I just won't be expecting it.

Allen Whyte has been made. But I think it'll be a relatively simple stoppage for Whyte. Allen has done well building himself a reputation on Twitter, but for a heavyweight, he doesn't carry that much power, definitely not enough to trouble someone with Whyte's chin. And Allen is actually pretty easy to hit with shots coming in from the side, which Whyte loves to throw (way too much). Whyte is not a good technical fighter, but his power and Allen's lack of make this quite straightforward for me.

 

[GBJ]

Well I managed to get my tickets for Brook's public execution. Once again though, FightPass members have been well & truly abused.

Work this out...

For those who don't know what FightPass is, it's like a football season-ticket. You pay a yearly subscription to Hearn's Matchroom, and in return, you're told you get first dibs on tickets. Seems straight forward? Not quite.

Just under 3k tickets went on O2 Priority pre-sale, yesterday.
About 1k went on AXS priority pre-sale, today.
8k tickets will go on general sale tomorrow.

Not even taking into account corporate tickets, that is 12k tickets gone already. In an arena that will be set up to hold 16-17k people. That means the remaining 5k tickets, went to FP members this afternoon. FP has about 40k members!!!! And the majority of those members aren't buying 1 ticket each, so the 5k "available seats", works out even less. So you've got 40k people scrambling to get 1-2k seats.

Now of course, not everyone of those would have got a ticket anyway, but it's completely understandable why so many of them would be livid. As I've said before, It's the exact equivalent of Southend drawing a big team in the FA Cup, and despite the fact you're a seaso, you can't get a ticket, because the club have allocated the majority all round the place.

And whilst the fans rage & spit blood, Hearn grins & carries on sauntering off to the bank. Shameful

 

[Ricey]

Well I managed to get my tickets for Brook's public execution. Once again though, FightPass members have been well & truly abused.

Work this out...

For those who don't know what FightPass is, it's like a football season-ticket. You pay a yearly subscription to Hearn's Matchroom, and in return, you're told you get first dibs on tickets. Seems straight forward? Not quite.

Just under 3k tickets went on O2 Priority pre-sale, yesterday.
About 1k went on AXS priority pre-sale, today.
8k tickets will go on general sale tomorrow.

Not even taking into account corporate tickets, that is 12k tickets gone already. In an arena that will be set up to hold 16-17k people. That means the remaining 5k tickets, went to FP members this afternoon. FP has about 40k members!!!! And the majority of those members aren't buying 1 ticket each, so the 5k "available seats", works out even less. So you've got 40k people scrambling to get 1-2k seats.

Now of course, not everyone of those would have got a ticket anyway, but it's completely understandable why so many of them would be livid. As I've said before, It's the exact equivalent of Southend drawing a big team in the FA Cup, and despite the fact you're a seaso, you can't get a ticket, because the club have allocated the majority all round the place.

And whilst the fans rage & spit blood, Hearn grins & carries on sauntering off to the bank. Shameful

I'm going to try and get mine tomorrow on general sale but not getting my hopes up. Where are your seats?

I saw that not long after the fight was announced that Matchroom tweeted that new fight pass members would not be able to apply for the tickets.

 

[GBJ]

I'm going to try and get mine tomorrow on general sale but not getting my hopes up. Where are your seats?

I saw that not long after the fight was announced that Matchroom tweeted that new fight pass members would not be able to apply for the tickets.

I'm Lower tier, but Ticket Factory don't actually tell you your exact seat for some reason? Will have to wait to find out, but the main thing is, I've got 2 tickets & i'm lower tier,

They do that for every big fight mate. Think it's happened for Joshua's past 3 fights, same with Frampton-Quigg, this one & im sure there was one more. It's the same every time. But what happens is, people work it out for themselves, that FP ain't worth it, so cancel future subscriptions. But Hearn doesn't care, because for every one of those who cancel, there'll be 10/20/50/100 people sat indoors thinking, "I'm gunna subscribe to that FP, so next time I can be guarenteed tickets". And so the cycle goes on

 

[Ricey]

I'm Lower tier, but Ticket Factory don't actually tell you your exact seat for some reason? Will have to wait to find out, but the main thing is, I've got 2 tickets & i'm lower tier,

They do that for every big fight mate. Think it's happened for Joshua's past 3 fights, same with Frampton-Quigg, this one & im sure there was one more. It's the same every time. But what happens is, people work it out for themselves, that FP ain't worth it, so cancel future subscriptions. But Hearn doesn't care, because for every one of those who cancel, there'll be 10/20/50/100 people sat indoors thinking, "I'm gunna subscribe to that FP, so next time I can be guarenteed tickets". And so the cycle goes on

Didn't manage to get tickets :'( can you keep an ear out for any tickets if people are selling please?

 

[Ricey]

Well done to Carl Frampton on beating Leo Santa Cruz, hell of a fight and a great achievement. Shame he didn't fight Rigo at Super Bantam, but hopefully he will fight Lee Selby for a nice domestic dust up.

 

[Blue_Wes]

Well done to Carl Frampton on beating Leo Santa Cruz, hell of a fight and a great achievement. Shame he didn't fight Rigo at Super Bantam, but hopefully he will fight Lee Selby for a nice domestic dust up.

Fight of the year so far, it was excellent, but let's all hold hands and pray to Jebus there's a new contender for that on Saturday night.

So, onto the big one. Is there anyway Brook can avoid GGG for twelve rounds, whilst landing those accurate combinations of punches he's so good at. Golovkin's ring general ship, the way he relentlessly closes down the ring, the fact he almost always gets hit and is never phased by it (visually) and the obvious sheer power all scream no, and in my heart of hearts I know that.

But being a football fan of small team and average nation, mean that one of my greatest talents is finding false hope where there is none in the immediate lead up to events.

So with Brook's size, (in the then and now pictures, it really does make Brook look drained at Welterweight), not having to boil down must give him more energy, more zing, and more bang in his punches. I'm desperately hoping this'll give Brook enough to keep GGG off him, to give him the energy to keep moving and be quicker on the punch, to be able to deter him with strong snappy punches in clusters, and to not get caught in the meantime. And to do this for what'll seem like 36 long minutes.

I know it's gonna end early (6-8 most likely for me), but I'm happy just giving myself an idea that there might just, just be a chance of an upset. Bring on Saturday!!! War Brook!

 

[duncan bulgaria]

Think it will pan out a bit like Khan's fight with Canelo - Brook i can see possibly winning the first few exchanges and even may build up a small lead but ultimately GGG will cut the ring down and catch him , its whether or not Brook has ever dealt with that power before in sparring etc determines when and not if GGG stops him in my opinion

Going for GGG stoppage between the 6th and 8th round

If that does happen then both boxers will come out of it in glory and rightly so , I can only see this hurting Brooks reputation if he gets sparked very early doors

 

[Ricey]

Gutted I didn't manage to get tickets as we could be in for a great fight and result. I'd love to see Brook win but unfortunately it's against GGG his power will ultimately end Brook. What is good is seeing that Brook actually looks like a middleweight now he's bulked up and looks like he could cut it with the rest of the middleweights. But to go straight in with one of the best p4p fighters straight away is crazy. Didn't work out for Khan but in defence of Brook he is a massive welterweight so at least will size up decently against GGG. After the check weight he was 5 pounds heavier than GGG. It will be interesting to see the weights at the final weigh in.

My heart says Brook and I would love the guy to win and stick a massive two fingers up to all the doubters. Also it will shut that gobby **** Eubank Jr up. But my head says GGG. I don't think it will be an early stoppage I'm going to say he will take him to the later round with a 10-12 TKO with a hero like effort put in by Brook.

The question is if Brook doesn't win where does he go from this? He can't go back to welterweight!

 

[GBJ]

Easy night for GGG. This is a genuinely dangerous fight for Brook's safety. Simply put, its incredibly difficult for a fighter to move up 2 weight classes, and retain their natural ability. Timing & stamina will be the key things. Then add to the fact that Brook's CV ain't worth 2-Bob, yet he's facing the current P4P#1 fighter, who also just happens to be the most fearsome puncher on the planet.

Brook doesn't get close, GGG stalks him, and feels him out for the first round, lets him know what he can do in the second, and then stops it 3-4th.

 

[Ricey]

Easy night for GGG. This is a genuinely dangerous fight for Brook's safety. Simply put, its incredibly difficult for a fighter to move up 2 weight classes, and retain their natural ability. Timing & stamina will be the key things. Then add to the fact that Brook's CV ain't worth 2-Bob, yet he's facing the current P4P#1 fighter, who also just happens to be the most fearsome puncher on the planet.

Brook doesn't get close, GGG stalks him, and feels him out for the first round, lets him know what he can do in the second, and then stops it 3-4th.

But it's not impossible, and from the videos I've seen of his training he seems to have retained his speed. Whether he can keep that up in the later stages is a different question.

You say Brook's CV is two Bob, let's be honest GGG's isn't much better. They are both avoided by the better fighters. Canelo ducks GGG, Froch ducked GGG. Same as Khan has been ducking Brook.

You seem very quick to slam Brook. I'm pretty sure you have Khan more of a chance against Canelo. But you think Brook will last 3-4 rounds. I think you underestimate Brook and he will surprise the doubters and put in a good shift. I'm not saying he's going to knock out GGG but I think he will come out with bags of respect after Saturday night with a good shift. I want him to win and by knock out, deep down I know it's not going to happen but he will put on a good show.

 

[GBJ]

But it's not impossible, and from the videos I've seen of his training he seems to have retained his speed. Whether he can keep that up in the later stages is a different question.

No, not impossible, but highly improbable. Speed & technique on pads & bags means nothing. I've seen people I actually know, smashing pads & bags, looking like prime Tyson, yet ain't that good in the ring. Simple reason, the pads & bags don't hit back.

You say Brook's CV is two Bob, let's be honest GGG's isn't much better. They are both avoided by the better fighters. Canelo ducks GGG, Froch ducked GGG. Same as Khan has been ducking Brook.

The better fighters have ducked Golovkin, of course, but who's ducked Brook? Thurman's been calling out Brook for years, but Eddie & Ingle don't want no part of that. Porter's wanted a rematch since the origional loss, and Garcia never got that unification fight. The options have ALWAYS been there for Brook, but it's never materialised, hence why a lot of fans, myself included, grew tired of his career.

And as for Khan ducking Brook, I've said this a hundred times, Khan doesn't need Brook. Never has. He's happy headlining in Las Vegas for $10m, whilst Brook barely sells out an arena in Sheffield, for mismatches.

You seem very quick to slam Brook. I'm pretty sure you have Khan more of a chance against Canelo. But you think Brook will last 3-4 rounds. I think you underestimate Brook and he will surprise the doubters and put in a good shift. I'm not saying he's going to knock out GGG but I think he will come out with bags of respect after Saturday night with a good shift. I want him to win and by knock out, deep down I know it's not going to happen but he will put on a good show.

I gave Khan more of a chance, because he had the right attributes to really test Canelo, and we know that to be fact, because Floyd created the blueprints. Let's not forget though, I always believed Khan would be stopped.

The difference here is, Brook's only ever been in ONE real tough fight. The rest have been mismatches. Whereas Khan had been a multiweight champ, and had faced some great opponents, in genuinely tough fights. Kell is stepping into the unknown with this fight, against the best in the world. And that's why I don't give him the same chance I afforded Khan. Maybe I'm doing him a disservice in saying 3-4 rounds, but is it really that unthinkable?

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

There is a new fighter doing the rounds in Sarf London, Inniss, packs a punch.:blush: