General Boxing Thread

[Ricey]

Cracking effort by Brook! Gutted it ended the way it did thought he could've gone on longer but he obviously had an injury to his eye that was giving him issues. Brook proved that he isn't a middleweight but has the ability to be a hell of a fighter at 154.

 

[GBJ]

The funniest bit was Hearn's post-fight interview claiming Brook was ahead on the scorecards :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

As expected, it was always gunna be a step too far for Brook. The machine, GGG, didn't ever look troubled, and Quite simply, Ingle done Brook a massive favour. That brutal KO was evident & inevitable from the 3rd round. Now that sideshow is over & done with, Brook needs to sort Hearn out & focus on his own division & fighting the real talent at 147lb. No more ducking. No more Khan talk. Just get on with the legit fighters like Thurman, Garcia etc. Brook ain't got no business at light/middleweight

 

[Pubey]

Great fight, and an excellent call from the corner.

 

[Ricey]

The funniest bit was Hearn's post-fight interview claiming Brook was ahead on the scorecards :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

As expected, it was always gunna be a step too far for Brook. The machine, GGG, didn't ever look troubled, and Quite simply, Ingle done Brook a massive favour. That brutal KO was evident & inevitable from the 3rd round. Now that sideshow is over & done with, Brook needs to sort Hearn out & focus on his own division & fighting the real talent at 147lb. No more ducking. No more Khan talk. Just get on with the legit fighters like Thurman, Garcia etc. Brook ain't got no business at light/middleweight

Did you see Chris Eubank Jr put a post up last night straight after the fight saying something along the lines of, time to fight a real British middleweight, my corner don't own towels. The comments are brilliant he is getting slaughtered the best one some bloke has put 'they don't pens either'. I honestly can't see anyone beating GGG the bloke is incredible. I would rather see BJS fight GGG than Eubank Jr. But unfortunately for BJS he will be handing his title over to GGG because I can't see him beating him.

Brook on the other hand having done up two weights I personally think he will struggle to get back down to 147. He's always struggled and always looks drained getting down to welterweight. Yes you say he has ducked all the best welterweights and that maybe the case but I think he needs to move up and ply his trade at 154. Problem with 154 is it is littered with excellent fighters other than Canelo who we expect will jump up to 160 (when he thinks GGG is slowing down no doubt), there are no massive names but a lot of brilliant boxers in there.

Whatever Brook chooses to do his stock is through the roof at the moment so he won't be shy of offers. No doubt glass jaw will be back and start calling him out because on paper for Khan that could be a massive payday. If he goes back to welter I'd like to see him fight Garcia. If he goes to light middle then the way to a title would be aiming from one of the Charlo brothers or Lara. Fighting the winner of Canelo vs Smith is an option but he doesn't stand much of a chance against Canelo as let's face it he is going to beat Smith.

 

[Ricey]

Did you watch the Chocolatito fight? Contender for fight of the year there. 4 weight world champ. His achievements really do go under the radar. In my opinion he is the best p4p fighter in the world. I can see him equalling and then surpassing Mayweather and Marciano's 49-0. He's 29 and 46-0 I could see him pushing for 60-0 the way he carries on. Shame he doesn't get the attention of other p4p fighters like GGG, Ward and Kovalev.

 

[Chalky]

The funniest bit was Hearn's post-fight interview claiming Brook was ahead on the scorecards :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

As expected, it was always gunna be a step too far for Brook. The machine, GGG, didn't ever look troubled, and Quite simply, Ingle done Brook a massive favour. That brutal KO was evident & inevitable from the 3rd round. Now that sideshow is over & done with, Brook needs to sort Hearn out & focus on his own division & fighting the real talent at 147lb. No more ducking. No more Khan talk. Just get on with the legit fighters like Thurman, Garcia etc. Brook ain't got no business at light/middleweight

I agree with most of what you said apart from this. No way could he shred down to 147lb again. He has struggled for ages to make this weight and after last night should go to light middleweight.

 

[GBJ]

Did you see Chris Eubank Jr put a post up last night straight after the fight saying something along the lines of, time to fight a real British middleweight, my corner don't own towels. The comments are brilliant he is getting slaughtered the best one some bloke has put 'they don't pens either'. I honestly can't see anyone beating GGG the bloke is incredible. I would rather see BJS fight GGG than Eubank Jr. But unfortunately for BJS he will be handing his title over to GGG because I can't see him beating him.

I can't see anybody beating Golovkin. Especially not BJS or Eubank

Did you watch the Chocolatito fight? Contender for fight of the year there. 4 weight world champ. His achievements really do go under the radar. In my opinion he is the best p4p fighter in the world. I can see him equalling and then surpassing Mayweather and Marciano's 49-0. He's 29 and 46-0 I could see him pushing for 60-0 the way he carries on. Shame he doesn't get the attention of other p4p fighters like GGG, Ward and Kovalev.

Nah haven't seen it. I can't get excited over the Lighter divisions for some reason.

I agree with most of what you said apart from this. No way could he shred down to 147lb again. He has struggled for ages to make this weight and after last night should go to light middleweight.

Brook on the other hand having done up two weights I personally think he will struggle to get back down to 147. He's always struggled and always looks drained getting down to welterweight. Yes you say he has ducked all the best welterweights and that maybe the case but I think he needs to move up and ply his trade at 154. Problem with 154 is it is littered with excellent fighters other than Canelo who we expect will jump up to 160 (when he thinks GGG is slowing down no doubt), there are no massive names but a lot of brilliant boxers in there.

I hear what you's are saying, but you've gotta follow the money. Who is there for Brook at LMW? Where are the money fights? After this purse, Brook won't want to go back to earning half a million. He will want the big Box Office fights, against big names. And I fail to see where that is coming from if he campaigns at 154. Canelo is the only name which carries crossover (money) potential, but he ain't hanging around, he's going Upto 160. And even if he did, what guarentees Brook of title shot against him?

He can't stay at 160, as it's just too big for him. He was blowing hard after round 3.

147 would have to be the logical choice. He's good at that weight, has an abundance of opponents, and there's big money to be made there.

 

[GBJ]

The power of Eddie Hearn..... I'm reading a few bits & bobs this evening, where people are actually claiming that Brook was ahead on the cards, at the time of stoppage. And the truth is, they wouldn't be saying that, if Hearn hadn't said it himself in the post-fight interview. It baffles me how some people will literally lap up everything that used-car salesman feeds them.

Now perosnally I gave Brook the second round, and other than that it was all Golovkin, right up to the stoppage. It was 3-1 (39-37) in Golovkin's favour, going into the 5th.

If Kell was indeed ahead on the cards, it would mean that someone. somehow, has managed to find/see/create an arguement that Kell was the better fighter in AT LEAST 3 of the 4 rounds. Now quite simply, either the person doing this, is either corrupt, or incompetent. I'm so glad it never went to the cards actually. I fully believe that Golovkin would have been screwed. And let's face it, it wouldn't be the first time on a Matchroom card either

 

[Chalky]

The power of Eddie Hearn..... I'm reading a few bits & bobs this evening, where people are actually claiming that Brook was ahead on the cards, at the time of stoppage. And the truth is, they wouldn't be saying that, if Hearn hadn't said it himself in the post-fight interview. It baffles me how some people will literally lap up everything that used-car salesman feeds them.

Now perosnally I gave Brook the second round, and other than that it was all Golovkin, right up to the stoppage. It was 3-1 (39-37) in Golovkin's favour, going into the 5th.

If Kell was indeed ahead on the cards, it would mean that someone. somehow, has managed to find/see/create an arguement that Kell was the better fighter in AT LEAST 3 of the 4 rounds. Now quite simply, either the person doing this, is either corrupt, or incompetent. I'm so glad it never went to the cards actually. I fully believe that Golovkin would have been screwed. And let's face it, it wouldn't be the first time on a Matchroom card either

Its quite bizarre isn't it. I watch a decent guy on youtube called "Boxing Gossip" he is a hardcore boxing fan through and through and he had Kell ahead in the first 4 rounds. This fight seems to have really split opinion. Also seen a couple 'Sports journalists' on twitter say Brook was winning.

 

[Ricey]

The power of Eddie Hearn..... I'm reading a few bits & bobs this evening, where people are actually claiming that Brook was ahead on the cards, at the time of stoppage. And the truth is, they wouldn't be saying that, if Hearn hadn't said it himself in the post-fight interview. It baffles me how some people will literally lap up everything that used-car salesman feeds them.

Now perosnally I gave Brook the second round, and other than that it was all Golovkin, right up to the stoppage. It was 3-1 (39-37) in Golovkin's favour, going into the 5th.

If Kell was indeed ahead on the cards, it would mean that someone. somehow, has managed to find/see/create an arguement that Kell was the better fighter in AT LEAST 3 of the 4 rounds. Now quite simply, either the person doing this, is either corrupt, or incompetent. I'm so glad it never went to the cards actually. I fully believe that Golovkin would have been screwed. And let's face it, it wouldn't be the first time on a Matchroom card either

Its quite bizarre isn't it. I watch a decent guy on youtube called "Boxing Gossip" he is a hardcore boxing fan through and through and he had Kell ahead in the first 4 rounds. This fight seems to have really split opinion. Also seen a couple 'Sports journalists' on twitter say Brook was winning.

Absolutely crazy, I'm a Brook fan and was deluded at times to think he might go on to win. But even being biased I could only have him winning 1 round and that was the 2nd. In the 1st Golovkin came out all guns blazing and nearly ended it early doors and gave Brook a wobble, fair play to Brook he kept on his feet and got through the round. 2nd round Brook was very impressive and looked excellent. The problem is come the 3rd Golovkin proved why he is one of the greatest. He battered Brook and it was the same in the 4th and 5th, Brook just became a moving punch bag with very little return.

I do enjoy Matchroom events as they are always a hell of a show. The unfortunate thing about them is massively over hyped a lot of the time and the bellend Eddie Hearn. He's a dodgy smarmy, greasy ****! His dad is a **** and it has obviously been passed down to his son. The whole StubHub thing really grips my **** but his whole ******** just wears thin after a while. But he puts on an event and they are better than a Frank Warren event.

 

[GBJ]

I do enjoy Matchroom events as they are always a hell of a show. The unfortunate thing about them is massively over hyped a lot of the time and the bellend Eddie Hearn. He's a dodgy smarmy, greasy ****! His dad is a **** and it has obviously been passed down to his son. The whole StubHub thing really grips my **** but his whole ******** just wears thin after a while. But he puts on an event and they are better than a Frank Warren event.

Most Matchroom cards are the same old stuff, loaded with mismatches & sold as competitive fights. Saturday night was never worthy of PPV. A genuine PPV event has to have a cracking main event, and 3-4 competitive 50:50 fights. Not just the usual faces in against tin cans.

Having been to a fair few events over the years, I think I'm well qualified to say Frank's shows are by far the worst. The last one oh his I went to, was Fury-Chisora II, and I don't intend on rushing back to one. Everything about Frank's shows are poor

 

[Ricey]

Most Matchroom cards are the same old stuff, loaded with mismatches & sold as competitive fights. Saturday night was never worthy of PPV. A genuine PPV event has to have a cracking main event, and 3-4 competitive 50:50 fights. Not just the usual faces in against tin cans.

Having been to a fair few events over the years, I think I'm well qualified to say Frank's shows are by far the worst. The last one oh his I went to, was Fury-Chisora II, and I don't intend on rushing back to one. Everything about Frank's shows are poor

A lot of his events end up on Tickets 4 Troops so we get the tickets for free. One lad went to the Rigondeaux vs Dickens one and he kept sending me snaps of all the fighting going on in the crowd.

He goes for the complete mismatches to protect his fighters unless it's a massive payday for him like Saturday's fight. He won't risk his crown jewel Joshua with someone of any worth anytime soon. Wouldn't surprise me if he gets to 25-0 fighting average fighters. He won't risk Joshua against a Fury, Klitschko, Haye, Wilder or an Ortiz. He will keep finding people around the middle who he knows he will steam roll until that opportunity comes for him to make millions against one of the big guys. Joshua gets PPV on most of his fights these days. The last fight the Murray vs Groves fight was more a main event than Joshua vs Brazeale.

Unfortunately while Hearn has the monopoly with Sky we will just have to put up with these poor fights from Matchroom. Although the Crolla vs Linares fight could be an interesting one. But I'd personally like to see Crolla vs Flanagan!

 

[GBJ]

A lot of his events end up on Tickets 4 Troops so we get the tickets for free. One lad went to the Rigondeaux vs Dickens one and he kept sending me snaps of all the fighting going on in the crowd.

He goes for the complete mismatches to protect his fighters unless it's a massive payday for him like Saturday's fight. He won't risk his crown jewel Joshua with someone of any worth anytime soon. Wouldn't surprise me if he gets to 25-0 fighting average fighters. He won't risk Joshua against a Fury, Klitschko, Haye, Wilder or an Ortiz. He will keep finding people around the middle who he knows he will steam roll until that opportunity comes for him to make millions against one of the big guys. Joshua gets PPV on most of his fights these days. The last fight the Murray vs Groves fight was more a main event than Joshua vs Brazeale.

Unfortunately while Hearn has the monopoly with Sky we will just have to put up with these poor fights from Matchroom. Although the Crolla vs Linares fight could be an interesting one. But I'd personally like to see Crolla vs Flanagan!

Totally spot on. That's exactly how it works. It's a business afterall, not a sport. Even the fighters themselves have this mentality. It's very different now, compared to the days of Harry Greb, who had about 300 pro fights in his career, (IIRC) and Sugar Ray Robinson, who would fight almost once a month, against anyone who wanted it.

 

[GBJ]

Its quite bizarre isn't it. I watch a decent guy on youtube called "Boxing Gossip" he is a hardcore boxing fan through and through and he had Kell ahead in the first 4 rounds. This fight seems to have really split opinion. Also seen a couple 'Sports journalists' on twitter say Brook was winning.

As I said, I can't see HOW anyone can make a case for Brook winning more than 1 round. He threw & connected with less punches. He was rocked in the first, and barely made it through. He battled well in the 2nd, and landed the more decisive shots, but in the third & fourth he was stalked mercilessly & battered. Granted, he threw back, and landed a few good ones, but they had no effect on Golovkin, who just kept on marching forward.

 

[GBJ]

Hearn has uploaded a picture on Twitter (don't know how to embed, so won't bother) of the scorecards from Saturday night :stunned::stunned: One judge had Brook winning by 2 rounds, and the other 2 had it as a draw at that point. It's absolutely farcical. 2 of the judges gave Brook the first round, which is odd considering that if the round had been 20 seconds longer, Brook would have probably been stopped there & then. He was visibly struggling & looked ready to drop, yet somehow gets the nod? Honestly, this "sport" is disgraceful at times

 

[Ricey]

Hearn has uploaded a picture on Twitter (don't know how to embed, so won't bother) of the scorecards from Saturday night :stunned::stunned: One judge had Brook winning by 2 rounds, and the other 2 had it as a draw at that point. It's absolutely farcical. 2 of the judges gave Brook the first round, which is odd considering that if the round had been 20 seconds longer, Brook would have probably been stopped there & then. He was visibly struggling & looked ready to drop, yet somehow gets the nod? Honestly, this "sport" is disgraceful at times

Wow!! What a complete and utter joke. I wish there was a more legit way of getting fair judging because the judges are ruining the game. Some of the Olympic decisions were a joke and in professional boxing it's just as bad.

I did not agree with the scoring for the Haskins vs Hall fight. It was no way that one sided.

 

[Ricey]

Cracking effort by Liam Smith but like the Brook vs GGG it was inevitable the outcome. Now rumours are coming out that Canelo's team offered GGG $10m for the fight. I wish they would just get on with it otherwise it's just another Mayweather vs Pacquio situation the fight happens 5 years too late.

The rematch between Fury and Klitschko has been rearranged with Hughie and BJS on the undercard. Let's hope there is nothing that stops this one happening this time.

 

[GBJ]

Three things about the Fury-Klitschko bill. 1) Tyson is bang out of shape, with a month to go. That's a bad sign. 2) there are STILL loads of tickets available for it. Another bad sign. 3) Hearn is ready to stage the AJ bout next summer, at Wembley. It would make incredible money for Tyson, an absolute shed load more than the Klitscko rematch.

I'm not saying it won't happen, but I won't be surprised if it's cancelled again

 

[Chalky]

Three things about the Fury-Klitschko bill. 1) Tyson is bang out of shape, with a month to go. That's a bad sign. 2) there are STILL loads of tickets available for it. Another bad sign. 3) Hearn is ready to stage the AJ bout next summer, at Wembley. It would make incredible money for Tyson, an absolute shed load more than the Klitscko rematch.

I'm not saying it won't happen, but I won't be surprised if it's cancelled again

Its been an absolute sh*t show from the start hasnt it. At one point I thought it wasn't even going to happen. That said Im still looking forward to watching it of course. Especially the undercard to see Billy Joe saunders back in action and was looking forward to Hughie Fury fighting Andy Ruiz jr but some reason Ruiz has pulled out and that makes the whole event even less appealing.

Put that into your three things thats already wrong with the event and it would be hard to be surprised if it was cancelled.

 

[Ricey]

The event just doesn't seem to be getting the hype the first fight got. I don't understand the lack of overall interest in this because it is a good match up. Maybe it's the lack of enthusiasm from Fury since the 'injury'. The reason the tickets haven't sold well is purely the fact of the prices are phenomenal! I tried getting them first time round and all the cheapest tickets sold and they had loads left of the overpriced seats which weren't that good either for the money. But that normally doesn't stop fans as they're willing to pay over the odds on StubHub when Joshua tickets go straight on sale there. On that I see Joshua has renewed his contract with them and there was a lot of negatives comments to that, which is totally right because it is a farce.

Crolla vs Linares tomorrow which should be a good little battle. Looking forward to that one and hopefully a Crolla win and then Frank and Eddie sort their ****ing lives out and get the Crolla vs Flanagan fight. The fans want it and even the fighters want it so they need to sort it out before it's too late.