FAO all Ron Martin believers, apologists, apathists: why I shall be voting option 5..

[Medway Blue]

Be patient ESB, James is going to tell us about all the players Ron didn't sign.

I've had this conversation with people before. If you want to talk in more depth, then PM me. Otherwise, there's no need for the smarmy sarcasm, is there?

 

[Cricko]

Nice to see that this thread can go on the pile of others that have, yet again, descended into mudslinging and abuse between other posters despite starting as pages of well reasoned debate.

This is all getting a bit tiresome, really...

Luckily we have you to guide us through this turmoil and abject time.....

 

[Grayson]

I've had this conversation with people before. If you want to talk in more depth, then PM me. Otherwise, there's no need for the smarmy sarcasm, is there?

If there's information to be shared I'm sure all your fellow Shrimpers would like to hear it! Post it, go on ;)

 

[Medway Blue]

If there's information to be shared I'm sure all your fellow Shrimpers would like to hear it! Post it, go on ;)

Can't I'm afraid. Other people's well-being to consider.

 

[steveo]

I've had this conversation with people before. If you want to talk in more depth, then PM me. Otherwise, there's no need for the smarmy sarcasm, is there?

It's not sarcasm but if you make statements like "If Tilson had pulled off even a third of the transfers which he'd arranged and were just waiting 'final approval', he'd be hailed a messiah" I would hope you can back them up with facts so why not make them public?

 

[Grayson]

Can't I'm afraid. Other people's well-being to consider.

How can anyone possibly debate with you though if you don't present the facts to your argument? It's impossible.

 

[Cricko]

It's not sarcasm but if you make statements like "If Tilson had pulled off even a third of the transfers which he'd arranged and were just waiting 'final approval', he'd be hailed a messiah" I would hope you can back them up with facts so why not make them public?

James knows Tilly well.....and with Tilly's huge outstanding wages owed....I doubt he can say much more.

 

[steveo]

James knows Tilly well.....and with Tilly's huge outstanding wages owed....I doubt he can say much more.

Fair enough but surely with Tilly gone James can let us know a few of the ones we missed out on and also if they were actually affordable.

 

[Grayson]

James knows Tilly well.....and with Tilly's huge outstanding wages owed....I doubt he can say much more.

Now I know that, that's fair enough. Apologies.

 

[Thorpe Groyney]

Nice to see that this thread can go on the pile of others that have, yet again, descended into mudslinging and abuse between other posters despite starting as pages of well reasoned debate.

This is all getting a bit tiresome, really...

Luckily we have you to guide us through this turmoil and abject time.....

And luckily, in amongst the mudlslinging and abuse, we have the occasional shard of genuine wit and humour. Top notch Mr. C!

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

Perhaps you could make a list of the anti-Ron protestors and quote the aggressive and abusive language that they have used? Or should those opposed to Ron's tenure accept opinion as fact, whilst some in favour of a status quo deride a poster who used a guess (by his own admission, too)?

Very similar to the protest at the ground last week. On here was word of warning about a baying mob, of gobby oiks. The reality was the police and stewards praising those who turned up, with one quote of "I admire what you're doing", and the only incident of abuse was it being directed at them.

It is too far down the line now. People have had their say, and will continue to have their say, whether pro Ron, anti, in the middle, or past caring. Some will be more forceful than others - from all opinions, not just one view. A cursory glance at the Derby protest thread will confirm that, or perhaps the one where a poster rather ill-advisedly started a thread claiming that people who were anti-Ron didn't have the club's interests at heart (although it came over more to me as 'those who didn't agree with what I say shouldn't be allowed to say anything').

Posts 85 and 172 on this thread for starters. May I suggest that you have not wanted to notice any , then

 

[Thorpe Groyney]

You may suggest it but you would be wrong. My response was to someone who asserted that the majority of anti-Ron rhetoric is aggressive or abusive. Out of all of the posts opposing the current board's running of the club on this thread you have come to the princely sum of 2.

I await with something nowhere near approaching interest any further research on the subject.

 

[GBJ]

And Ron backed his judgement.

Interesting point. Fair play to Ron for backing Tilson. However, on the whole point of transfer fees, i'd like to remind everyone of a very interesting point. We know that Tilly valued Theo Robinson at £75k, but Ron decided to double that price. So, how many other transfers have there been where Tilly has said X amount, and Ron has gone over the top of Tilly's estimations?

 

[GBJ]

Tilson would still have had an input, and it was his suggestions that Revell was a goal scorer worthy of paying good money for. RM wouldnt have known what to negotiate without recommendations from the manager surely...

Tilson identified the players he wanted money spent on and Ron Martin backed him, as he should have.

I refer you to my above post

 

[GBJ]

Yes, Tilson highlighted players and suggested transfer fees and wage packets to be offered.....which were in some cases doubled by the two men who actually handled the negotiations.

Exactly :)

 

[GBJ]

Posts 85 and 172 on this thread for starters. May I suggest that you have not wanted to notice any , then

How are they abusive?

 

[Beefy]

Clearly people are going to beat Ron Martin with one stick or other. In this thread we've got people complaining that Ron Martin has spent too much to conclude deals for players that Tilly wanted and others complaining that Ron Martin hasn't done what was necessary to conclude other deals that Tilly wanted. In some cases it's the same people arguing both.

 

[EastStandBlue]

How are they abusive?

Abusive probably isn't the right word, more aggressive.

 

[GBJ]

Abusive probably isn't the right word, more aggressive.

Yeah but tbh, even still it's nothing to get excited about? We're all blokes here (incl. OBL :)) who have more than likely done/seen worse? Blimey, the way me and my mates talk to each other would be seen as all out row.

I could understand it if Cricks or KS were actually inciting violence, but they're not. Topic's like this are bound to get heated, but i'd have expected grown men to be able to cope with it.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Clearly people are going to beat Ron Martin with one stick or other.

Form an orderly queue.
My choice would be the aluminium baseball bats that were used in 1983 to give Kevin Keegan a doing and sold on eBay a few weeks back *

* - this is entirely fiction and so immune from any legal recourse