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true although I'm talking in terms of if the club went under and there were no alternative. A new fan based club at southchurch park, with Tilly at the helm, rising from the ashes that Ron had created would attract massive interest, especially the Echo. If the club went bust, where would all the people that couldn't help themselves going on saturday going to go?

The problem with Southchurch Park is its Essex Senior level and no more, so we would not be able to even consider promotion until we found somewhere else to play...I don't think that thats going to attract Tilly and 4000 supporters every week....
 
It wouldn't be at Southchurch Park in any case. The pitch and facilities are currently used to their maximum availability. Southend Manor had to turn down groundshare requests last season for this very reason. It'd have to be Burroughs Park, providing, of course, their facilities weren't being used all the time .
 
But the age and state of the stadium, whilst far from pristine, is not the reason for moving, True, regular maintenance will be expensive, but its a prime site close to town with little in the way of planning restrictions, There is potential for the owners of the site to maximise its potential by moving the ground to a site with considerably less market value and more planning restrictions.
Were we to stay at RH, we would still have 7M of debts, we would still be limited to 12K maximum attendance , thus severely limiting our potential income, and we would either have to pay the going rate to buy it of its owner or pay 500K a year rent. Thus we would be left with very little in the way of spare cash to pay players which would lead to season upon season of bargain basement teams (imagine the current lot but less of them...

I'm well aware of the situation, but still have no enthusiam for an all seater box of crap 2 miles out of town with fake pubs (sports bars) at £4 a watered down pint....
 
It wouldn't be at Southchurch Park in any case. The pitch and facilities are currently used to their maximum availability. Southend Manor had to turn down groundshare requests last season for this very reason. It'd have to be Burroughs Park, providing, of course, their facilities weren't being used all the time .

it's all hypothetical, but if we came along with a business plan based on gates of 1,500, the fans willing to undertake the basic improvements to the ground required, then they couldn't turn the potential down

the fact that anyone is even entertaining this thought is an achievement in my book!
 
it's all hypothetical, but if we came along with a business plan based on gates of 1,500, the fans willing to undertake the basic improvements to the ground required, then they couldn't turn the potential down

the fact that anyone is even entertaining this thought is an achievement in my book!


I can guarantee you it would be turned down flat.
 
I'm well aware of the situation, but still have no enthusiam for an all seater box of crap 2 miles out of town with fake pubs (sports bars) at £4 a watered down pint....

So your objection is not based on fiscal planning, but on the chance that a pub will be settling watered down beer......Jeez
 
It's little more than a ten minute walk from Roots Hall.

looking at the waist measurement of the average southend fan I would defy most to make that walk in 10 minutes, it takes most 10 mins to make it from Victoria circus

please join desert me and go the the side of the FF apologists
 
I can guarantee you it would be turned down flat.

I was waiting for you and your knowledge of the local Non league scene....

Am I right in assuming that the locals close to SP would never allow expansion. IIRC the objected like mad when Manor wanted to upgrade the floodlights about 20 years ago and I recall the Athletics club having the lights switched off at 9 o/c sharp ....
 
So your objection is not based on fiscal planning, but on the chance that a pub will be settling watered down beer......Jeez

come on now, we've had a decent chat to this point, don't take one contributory factor and claim that is the basis for my disdain of FF. it's the culture of the whole place
 
I was waiting for you and your knowledge of the local Non league scene....

Am I right in assuming that the locals close to SP would never allow expansion. IIRC the objected like mad when Manor wanted to upgrade the floodlights about 20 years ago and I recall the Athletics club having the lights switched off at 9 o/c sharp ....

Sorry for the delay in replying. Aldi's near Chalkwell Park were selling Village Bakery loaves for 30p so I had to go.

Yes, you're right, there would be untold objections from the residents surrounding it, on the basis of noise, parking facilities, litter, etc, etc.

Another big obstacle is that Southend Manor has over 200 registered players and youth and senior levels alone, plus another club who also shares the facilities. The only time the place isn't being used at the moment is Monday evening. The rest of the time the main pitch and training areas are in use. It simply wouldn't be viable for a Step 4 club, which is where any proposed reformed Southend based senior club would want to start from, to come in and groundshare, whatever the financial inducements.

Burroughs Park would be far more accommodating, I would imagine, or if you want to stretch it, Thames Road, the home of Concord Rangers, if only to irritate Canvey Island.
 
Sorry for the delay in replying. Aldi's near Chalkwell Park were selling Village Bakery loaves for 30p so I had to go.

Yes, you're right, there would be untold objections from the residents surrounding it, on the basis of noise, parking facilities, litter, etc, etc.

Another big obstacle is that Southend Manor has over 200 registered players and youth and senior levels alone, plus another club who also shares the facilities. The only time the place isn't being used at the moment is Monday evening. The rest of the time the main pitch and training areas are in use. It simply wouldn't be viable for a Step 4 club, which is where any proposed reformed Southend based senior club would want to start from, to come in and groundshare, whatever the financial inducements.

Burroughs Park would be far more accommodating, I would imagine, or if you want to stretch it, Thames Road, the home of Concord Rangers, if only to irritate Canvey Island.

now there's an interesting thought! enjoy those loaves
 
another modern addition that gripes me, I know Rab couldn't count, but I would expect most at southend are able to count without the aid of some illuminations?

Well, you say that but I ended up being 5 minutes late on Saturday because I couldn't park on my usual side of the ground with all the residential parking they've added. If ever I'm a few minutes late the guys behind me always say '5-0 up'. I thought they were winding me up about Port Vale's early goal for ages with no scoreboard to confirm the sorry truth...
 
Well, you say that but I ended up being 5 minutes late on Saturday because I couldn't park on my usual side of the ground with all the residential parking they've added. If ever I'm a few minutes late the guys behind me always say '5-0 up'. I thought they were winding me up about Port Vale's early goal for ages with no scoreboard to confirm the sorry truth...

it must be terrible for you! there you go then, no scoreboard adds to your enjoyment with a little bit of light banter!
 
Posters on this forum such as mcnasty & pboreham have questioned what a protest against ron will achieve & questioned the commitment of those participating, whilst also taking enjoyment from lampooning poor jack in the process. I don't claim to have the right view, but so far within those threads i don't feel anyone has sufficiently put in words what can be achieved and why they are taking such action. Ultimately i have detested ron's presence from day 1,it was apparent that he had asset stripped the club & paid next to nothing acquire a controlling stake in the club that meant he held all the cards. With him being a property developer it was very quick to see that southend would not remain on the rich residential Roots Hall site for long........and so in my mind Ron's priorities were set. His behaviour was further questionable when it took a fans & echo campaign to get tilly installed and ron give up his fantasy over stan (chasing the limelight rather than the fans wishes). Around the same time was when he also began (his now ever familiar to most shrimpers) end of match pitch tour after a battling away 0-0 draw with mansfield which left me thinking "what is this moron doing? We're applauding the players not Ron the Messiah". There are 92 league clubs and only between 5-10% of those clubs can achieve "success" within any given season,which means there's going to be alot of fans alot of the time watching unsuccessful teams.for that reason i do not hand my money over at the gate just wanting to watch my team win,no,a football club is about the fans and the town.so whilst i want to see the lads giving 100% i also attend to sing them on,sing about my town,the history of the team & socialise with my fellow essex boys & girls-there is no place for a profiteering, megalomaniac in something that should belong to the fans.like most on this forum i would follow southend regardless,so would gladly see the club go into admin and play in the senior league if it meant that it was run in the interests of the fans and not one man's pocket.i have no desire for a new souless plastic shell of a new stadium,miles from town,no decent transport links,void of any real pubs or atmosphere and to saddle the club with masses of debt it cannot maintain.Some small improvements at the Hall would freshen the place up but the most pressing priority should be the return of the fans to their natural home-the North Bank, which would cost a damn sight less.The whole tilson & brush debacle still sickens me...those two gave us arguably the best years we have seen and yet suddenly they are not good enough and are disgarded as people suddenly rush to eulogise about sturrock,even apologising for him signing his son?!!!! I think we all know how that one will turn out...most comments have pointed to players who 'want to play for the club'-I'm sorry but how can this bunch of mercenaries, who are all sturrocks ex players and want to play for HIM and not Southend, ever be compared or held above Barrett or McCormack? To question their loyalty and commitment to this club is blaspheme, Ron should be charged with high treason not acknowledged at a decision well made over their departure.
Writing letter's, or becoming a shareholder are naive alternative suggestions at best...plenty of letters have been written: to the club, the echo, the YA and to club individuals, with no result. "Become a shareholder" is just laughable, the shares are not a liquid stock easily purchased, and I think one may forget that Ron and his myriad of companies control own over 76% of the club's shares, rendering anyone else's holding useless when it came to a vote on anything. Unless the club go and issue shares tomorrow Ron cannot be budged, but he's not going to make a serious rights issue that would jeopardise his throttle on the club is he?....come on now, please.
Direct action is the only tool and card left for the fans to play. To deny that paying for Monday's match (in hard cash ONLY can one believe) is doing anything other than propping up the ailing dictator is either delirious, ignorance, or plain apathy. There seem to be numerous posters on this forum that have to wash sand out of the hair, ears and eyes on a daily basis?!
If no-one turned up to the next home match then Ron would be completely screwed and would have a completely insolvent business venture, sorry, club that he would have no choice but to bail. If that meant the club going under, then so be it, if Ron goes. Do AFC Wimbledon and FC United fans not have the great saturday afternoon's and are still going strong? of course they are....if southend went under and re-appeared say at a groundshare with southend manor in the senior league, we'd all be there in a flash.
The SUSCT hold the potential to be a catalyst to lead a movement for fan ownership of the club and have huge influence and leverage to mount a boycott and subsequent campaign. I have put the point to the very honourable mr.fitzgerald on a number of occassions. To worry about offending Ron for fear of losing the prospect (and it's only just that) of a seat on Ron's board (not southend's) is ludicrous. For the reasons given above re share holdings the seat would be meaningless and another class stroke in Ron keeping his enemies close.
Not to mention the fact that the SUSCT have the power to now bring him to heel thanks to the 60k loan......by using option 5 in the members vote (to sue Ron as personal guarantor) it would not even necessarily bring the club down - just Ron might have to part with his own cash for a change and live up to his promises for a change. On top of a boycott this would send him the clearest message to get the hell out of our club and town.

Every fan has the power, and that power is that cash you hand over to Ron fortnightly. So those who say it is pointless should really stop and think what could actually be achieved by a boycott and not the narrow retorts posted on other threads but the positives that could come from such events.

There you go, you have you answers as to what people feel can be achieved and why from a boycott or protest. I shall not now engage in tittle tattle exchanges of character assassination or pointless snipes about grammar or spelling.

All I will say is that I will never set foot in Roots Hall as long as Ron has his greedy hands on the club, and I will certainly be at Aldershot cheering the boys on for 90 minutes.
A concept that is alien to those who claim the protesters are not real fans, as in fact they are generally the most vocal support at southend and really understand the term "backing your team".
Well it took almost 14 years to the day, and another loan by the Trust, before the Protest Group woke us from our slumber and within 18 months the Rat has gone.

Let us never drop our guard again, this club means too much to too many.
 

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