Eastwood

[chapperzUK]

Not according to Sturrock....

How do we know he wasn't just saying that to make sure he pleases everyone. If he came out as said he didn't want to sign him and Martin went over his head, I doubt Eastwood would have reacted well.

 

[dingleydangley]

. But even if players earn more right to start, they need to earn the right to stay on the pitch for the ninety minutes and those that are below par should be subbed before ninety minutes.

We can only substitute three players, though. Have you seen us lately?

 

[EastStandBlue]

No argument there. But even if players earn more right to start, they need to earn the right to stay on the pitch for the ninety minutes and those that are below par should be subbed before ninety minutes.

You make substitutions to change games. As has already been pointed out, Eastwood looked like he was preparing to come on prior to Hurst's goal at the weekend, but that was changed afterward presumably in favour of keeping our midfield strong in expectation of a Rotherham onslaught. Nobody complained when Woodyard was sacrificed after 30 minutes against Orient as it ultimately won us the tie, and I doubt the complaints regarding some perceived mistreatment of Eastwood would have been as vociferous as they have been if we'd held out for the three points. Tilson was widely criticised for a perceived lack of ingenuity with his subs, and that seems to have crept back in with Sturrock. There's a thousand reasons why a manager will choose to, or not to, make a substitution, and "making sure Freddy gets a good run around to show what he's got" is probably some way down the pile.

As I said, there's a romanticism that's linked to Eastwood and there's not a Southend fan who doesn't want him to succeed here. I think the lack of reserve football has hampered his and Harris' progress, whilst also affecting the fitness levels of other squad players, and that's something that Sturrock and Harris have openly criticised as well.

 

[onceknownasrab]

We can only substitute three players, though. Have you seen us lately?

Thats a fair point too but whoever you sub why leave it until the dying embers of a game when clearly certain individuals are not at their best? Tilson was an absolute sod for making substitutions far too late in a game and PS seems no different.

 

[onceknownasrab]

You make substitutions to change games. As has already been pointed out, Eastwood looked like he was preparing to come on prior to Hurst's goal at the weekend, but that was changed afterward presumably in favour of keeping our midfield strong in expectation of a Rotherham onslaught. Nobody complained when Woodyard was sacrificed after 30 minutes against Orient as it ultimately won us the tie, and I doubt the complaints regarding some perceived mistreatment of Eastwood would have been as vociferous as they have been if we'd held out for the three points. Tilson was widely criticised for a perceived lack of ingenuity with his subs, and that seems to have crept back in with Sturrock. There's a thousand reasons why a manager will choose to, or not to, make a substitution, and "making sure Freddy gets a good run around to show what he's got" is probably some way down the pile.

The substitution could have been done after 60 minutes when you see how players are not at their best. Leaving it because Hurst scored was already too late.
I have no interest in giving FE a run around to show what he's got. Its about the team and often a change can help but we are rarely treated to that.
As for Corr when he came on for Woodyard, we agree was right, but it was a bad decision in the first place that had woody on.

 

[Jam_Man]

How do we know he wasn't just saying that to make sure he pleases everyone. If he came out as said he didn't want to sign him and Martin went over his head, I doubt Eastwood would have reacted well.

How does leaving out a fans legend please everyone ?

Very easy to hunt out the conspiracy, sometimes the simplest explanation is true. He wanted him, he hasnt lived up to his expecations, thats it.

He is happy to play Bilel after all thats happened, if he really though Freddy was of benefit then he would play him, I really dont buy the fact he doesnt play him because he didnt sign him.

It wasnt him the brought in Hall, Clohessey or Phillips, all Widdrington players, yet he plays them.

 

[Jam_Man]

Thats a fair point too but whoever you sub why leave it until the dying embers of a game when clearly certain individuals are not at their best? Tilson was an absolute sod for making substitutions far too late in a game and PS seems no different.

Whether Eastwood should have been brought on or not can be argued forever, but totally agree, if he is going to bring anyone on theres not a lot of point in doing it in the 90th minute.

If it was just to break up play and kill momentum of the opposition then fine, but dont see why he is brought on with 2 minutes to go when we are looking for a winner.

 

[EastStandBlue]

The substitution could have been done after 60 minutes when you see how players are not at their best. Leaving it because Hurst scored was already too late.
I have no interest in giving FE a run around to show what he's got. Its about the team and often a change can help but we are rarely treated to that.
As for Corr when he came on for Woodyard, we agree was right, but it was a bad decision in the first place that had woody on.

I'd say the wrong decision wasn't necessarily that Woodyard started, it was that Corr didn't. Up until that point Orient's defence had Assombalonga in their pockets and every time the ball was sent forward, it was coming straight back. Corr pushed Orient's line backwards, gave us more space and time on the ball and held the ball up significantly better, so we weren't dealt with having to defend with our backs to the wall for most of the game.

Sturrock's shown a willingness to correct mistakes during the game, as he did against Orient, but I'm still not convinced that there's a case to make that him being unwilling to give Eastwood 30 minutes on Saturday is either evidence of his/the club's mistreatment of Eastwood nor Sturrock being unwilling to make changes to chase a game. What I would agree with though is that Assombalonga isn't the player he was in the first half of the season and had Tomlin been fit, Britt wouldn't be starting games. Because of the lack of reserve football though he's probably still in better condition than both Eastwood and Harris, so should start.

Very easy to hunt out the conspiracy, sometimes the simplest explanation is true. He wanted him, he hasnt lived up to his expecations, thats it.

I'd say that's almost certainly what's gone/going on, but it's also the hardest to bear. An admission that Eastwood is a shadow of the player he once was and is deservedly below the likes of Mohsni in the pecking order is tantamount to blasphemy.

 

[Jam_Man]

I'd say that's almost certainly what's gone/going on, but it's also the hardest to bear. An admission that Eastwood is a shadow of the player he once was and is deservedly below the likes of Mohsni in the pecking order is tantamount to blasphemy.

Indeed, and even now I would still like to see him given a few starts.

Bringing him on for 5 or 6 minutes here and there serves no purpose, but if Sturrock doesnt feel he warrants a start then hard to argue as we dont see him in training.

One point Id make is this comes up when we are in poor form. Happened before Tomlin started scoring and another call for Eastwood to play now. Think people think something different equals something better, doesnt always work like that and last time our fortunes improved when we sorted our midfield.

 

[kentblues]

Personally I think Britt is young and this is his first extended run in a league team. We are overplaying him and it shows. A hard temtation to resist when he is one of the best players and tomlin is injured.

Freddy is probably not 100% match fit- hardly a surprise if he doesn't get matches...

However, why not start with Freddy, say you have 60 mins give it all you can and then bring Britt on?? In a way we are being punished now for not giving Freddy time because the strikers we have overrelied on are injured or knacked.

Personally on sat I would have BBBC and Freddy up front to start and Bilel on the left of midfield- where he can make in impact going forward arriving at the back post and helping the defence. Bring britt on after 55 mins or an hour dependent on how its going.

 

[Angell Delight]

Personally I think Britt is young and this is his first extended run in a league team. We are overplaying him and it shows. A hard temtation to resist when he is one of the best players and tomlin is injured.

Freddy is probably not 100% match fit- hardly a surprise if he doesn't get matches...

However, why not start with Freddy, say you have 60 mins give it all you can and then bring Britt on?? In a way we are being punished now for not giving Freddy time because the strikers we have overrelied on are injured or knacked.

Personally on sat I would have BBBC and Freddy up front to start and Bilel on the left of midfield- where he can make in impact going forward arriving at the back post and helping the defence. Bring britt on after 55 mins or an hour dependent on how its going.

Fully agree.

 

[enfieldblue]

The argument that FE does not do enough in training is wearing thin. We regularly have players not doing enough during matches and to me that is a greater crime. If its not working then change it. PS perseveres far too long with inconsistent characters that need to be dropped to give them the necessary kick to the proverbial backside.

You can keep Wembley and all the tosh about it being a reward for the fans. The players have by and large undeservedly scraped their way into the final and not because they so wanted to do it for the fans. Get real. The league is where we need results and they are so far from acceptable. The season started well, very well. Flowing and promising. We may have had injuries and suspensions that have held us back but far too many players have failed individually time and again.

As I have said before, lets get back to the drawing board and make the necessary changes to the tactics and use of the squad personnel. PS learned the lesson too late last season that change can be for the better and if he does not act soon we are destined to another season of failure. Even if we win the final at Wembley, without promotion it is a failure.

If I were RM I would give PS two more games to show he has what it takes to get the players looking like a coherent team for the majority of every ninety minutes and to make changes when required. If he cannot then I would tell him to pack his kilt and head for somewhere over the hill and far away. Many on here are constantly saying how good PS is. I believe he can be good but up to now he has not been good enough.

I wanted him gone last season but even I conceded that at the beginning of this year he seemed to adapt better but for whatever reason that has now dissipated and we are left with a near shambles of a season again. Its time for two people to stand up to the plate and either PS sorts it or RM removes him.

:stunned:

i'm speechless which is a bit of a problem on a forum

 

[Angell Delight]

:stunned:

i'm speechless which is a bit of a problem on a forum

Must admit I'm speechless too! :stunned:

 

[Panthers]

If any of you saw Fred play at Bury you would realise that he isn't God and isn't even half the player Britt, Tomlin and Corr are. You are all just living in the past because he was at one point in his previous spell at Southend was God but is no longer. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!! :angry:

 

[dodgeblue]

If any of you saw Fred play at Bury you would realise that he isn't God and isn't even half the player Britt, Tomlin and Corr are. You are all just living in the past because he was at one point in his previous spell at Southend was God but is no longer. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!! :angry:

Spot on. Exactly what I thought when saw him at Bury. Had a chance in FA Cup and looked disinterested at best. Not as fat as Ricketts but another player who has not fulfilled his potential.

 

[Danshrimper]

If any of you saw Fred play at Bury you would realise that he isn't God and isn't even half the player Britt, Tomlin and Corr are. You are all just living in the past because he was at one point in his previous spell at Southend was God but is no longer. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!! :angry:

Britt has scored 1 goal in 15 games and isn't even our player and Tomlin is injured. So how are they the better option right now?

 

[Panthers]

Britt has scored 1 goal in 15 games and isn't even our player and Tomlin is injured. So how are they the better option right now?

They are definitely the better option because they actually work upfront for the team and show some passion whereas Fred is lazy and disinterested, even if Tomlin was injured Fred is 4th choice behind Corr, Britt and Bilel because they work and are fit. When Fred comes on and has shot that is closer to a throw in to a goal the crowd let out a dramatic 'ohhhhhh' 'unlucky' 'good effort' if that was anyone else they would be slating him and criticizing him. You're all just living in the past.

 

[Jam_Man]

If any of you saw Fred play at Bury you would realise that he isn't God and isn't even half the player Britt, Tomlin and Corr are. You are all just living in the past because he was at one point in his previous spell at Southend was God but is no longer. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!! :angry:

Problem is Eastwood isnt given a run to improve. Not saying he deserves one as dont know what goes on behind the scenes but to say he wasnt good in one game here or there isnt a reason to dismiss it.

Tomlin had a good spell but failed to score for about 15 games prior to that, yes he worked hard but as a striker he was hopeless. He was given a run and improved.

Eastwood hasnt had that chance. Whether he deserves one who knows, lots of assumptions its because he doesnt work hard enough, maybe thats true, but he never worked that hard when he was scoring 20 goals a season either.

They are definitely the better option because they actually work upfront for the team and show some passion whereas Fred is lazy and disinterested, even if Tomlin was injured Fred is 4th choice behind Corr, Britt and Bilel because they work and are fit. When Fred comes on and has shot that is closer to a throw in to a goal the crowd let out a dramatic 'ohhhhhh' 'unlucky' 'good effort' if that was anyone else they would be slating him and criticizing him. You're all just living in the past.

Freddy looked lazy and disinterested when he was scoring 20+ a season.

Its great having two hard working forwards but right now we are struggling to score and only getting a goal a game.

We need goals, not efffort.

Im not convinced Freddy has it anymore, but unless he plays we wont know and to say he definitely doesnt is as bad as saying he does.

 

[Danshrimper]

They are definitely the better option because they actually work upfront for the team and show some passion whereas Fred is lazy and disinterested, even if Tomlin was injured Fred is 4th choice behind Corr, Britt and Bilel because they work and are fit. When Fred comes on and has shot that is closer to a throw in to a goal the crowd let out a dramatic 'ohhhhhh' 'unlucky' 'good effort' if that was anyone else they would be slating him and criticizing him. You're all just living in the past.

Britt has been absolutely awful recently, how can you say Eastwood is lazy when all we ever see of him for injury time every game, the last time he played more than 2 minutes he came closer to scoring than Britt did all game and put in a lot of effort.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Problem is Eastwood isnt given a run to improve. Not saying he deserves one as dont know what goes on behind the scenes but to say he wasnt good in one game here or there isnt a reason to dismiss it.

Tomlin had a good spell but failed to score for about 15 games prior to that, yes he worked hard but as a striker he was hopeless. He was given a run and improved.

Eastwood hasnt had that chance. Whether he deserves one who knows, lots of assumptions its because he doesnt work hard enough, maybe thats true, but he never worked that hard when he was scoring 20 goals a season either.



Freddy looked lazy and disinterested when he was scoring 20+ a season.

Its great having two hard working forwards but right now we are struggling to score and only getting a goal a game.

We need goals, not efffort.

Tomlin is a bad example to use. He was fast, mobile, tricky and his movement allowed Britt space to score plenty. You can't use any of those adjectives to describe Freddy