Funky Kong
Member
I would hedge my bets and say that human rights activists and dale farm travellers may have something to say about your narrow minded attitude, Ian.
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Dale farm evictions "may breach human rights"
I would hedge my bets and say that human rights activists and dale farm travellers may have something to say about your narrow minded attitude, Ian.
Funky Kong
Member
To be fair, if i lived in their **** holes i would avoid paying all the extra costs too...:blush:
Holy Joe
Manager⭐⭐🦐
taken from the comments section of The Guardian:
'I'm a leftie, and I've worked in health and social care for 35 years.
I've had travellers (from the extended Sheridan clan, who were relations of some of the Dale Farm people) as neighbours; and I've worked with the travelling and gypsy communities during my career.
Gypsies, Roma, and genuine nomadic people are mistrusted and discriminated against; they have legitimate concerns about how they are treated across Europe. I have friends who are traditional travelling showmen, with a proud tradition and history. They cause very little trouble; insular, yes, but they live lightly on the land and respect the communities they travel through.
My experience of those groups has been that they all dislike the travellers; they do not approve of their lifestyle or their landgrabbing antics; and they are concerned that these travellers are giving all gypsies a bad name and undoing years of work to foster understanding and tolerance.
The illegal site is owned by a landlord based in Ireland; rent (in the form of Housing Benefit) is paid directly to him by Basildon Council. The families DO own property in Rathkeale; and they own many parcels of land all over the UK. They move on to a parcel of land, which they buy cheaply as it has no permissions, then apply retrospectively. If they get the permissions, they develop it or sell it on at a profit. They have done this for years in Ireland, and they're doing it here because they have been prevented from continuing at home after several court cases finding their activities illegal.
Once camped, small groups expand by getting their relations over from Ireland. At least some of the men are involved in illegal and black market activities, including smuggling and drug offences. Despite not having obvious employment, they drive top-of-the range cars, and do not appear to lack money.
The women stay on the sites, retain their maiden names, and claim benefits as single parents. They will not comply with education legislation, and keep their children out of school unless it's expedient to keep them in and girls are rarely educated beyond primary level.
They prefer not to engage with public health legislation either - even when local authorities provide rubbish disposal/portaloos etc. they invariably leave all sorts of refuse including faecal matter. (One playing field in Gloucester was out of use for months as a result of an illegal camp). This is happening all over the UK.
Where I lived in Gloucestershire, various legal settlements were allowed - within weeks, they were full with people who'd come over from Ireland. They swamped the local benefit offices, A&E's, shops, en masse, demanding their "rights". They were given outreach workers for health, midwifery, education, benefits, etc. because their "culture" prevented them from using mainstream services; going to the sites was difficult, as we often faced intimidation.
As neighbours, they were an absolute nightmare. And people who have lived close to them will probably say the same.
The Dale Farm people have used every legal avenue open to them, at enormous expense to the taxpayer; they have deliberately increased the size of their "community" over ten years, and used every delaying tactic they can muster, knowing that their usual modus operandus would get them what they wanted - it's worked many times before - this time it's failed.
....
Allowing the travellers to stay would set a legal precedent which would allow me, say, to buy a piece of land, build on it, and live there without regard to local or national law whilst expecting the local authority to supply services/healthcare/benefits as a right.
Basildon Council are right to evict them - they have offered homes (but these are not, apparently as "culturally appropriate" as the houses they have built or already own in Ireland) at the expense of locals who have been on the waiting lists for many years, and these have been refused. They will not move to the legal site 200 metres down the road. The travellers won't travel.
We have, rightly, close historical ties with Ireland; with those comes generous reciprocal agreements - on both sides - for residence and its associated benefits. What these travellers are doing is taking advantage of these to enrich themselves in a way they have been prevented from doing, legally, in their own country.'
'I'm a leftie, and I've worked in health and social care for 35 years.
I've had travellers (from the extended Sheridan clan, who were relations of some of the Dale Farm people) as neighbours; and I've worked with the travelling and gypsy communities during my career.
Gypsies, Roma, and genuine nomadic people are mistrusted and discriminated against; they have legitimate concerns about how they are treated across Europe. I have friends who are traditional travelling showmen, with a proud tradition and history. They cause very little trouble; insular, yes, but they live lightly on the land and respect the communities they travel through.
My experience of those groups has been that they all dislike the travellers; they do not approve of their lifestyle or their landgrabbing antics; and they are concerned that these travellers are giving all gypsies a bad name and undoing years of work to foster understanding and tolerance.
The illegal site is owned by a landlord based in Ireland; rent (in the form of Housing Benefit) is paid directly to him by Basildon Council. The families DO own property in Rathkeale; and they own many parcels of land all over the UK. They move on to a parcel of land, which they buy cheaply as it has no permissions, then apply retrospectively. If they get the permissions, they develop it or sell it on at a profit. They have done this for years in Ireland, and they're doing it here because they have been prevented from continuing at home after several court cases finding their activities illegal.
Once camped, small groups expand by getting their relations over from Ireland. At least some of the men are involved in illegal and black market activities, including smuggling and drug offences. Despite not having obvious employment, they drive top-of-the range cars, and do not appear to lack money.
The women stay on the sites, retain their maiden names, and claim benefits as single parents. They will not comply with education legislation, and keep their children out of school unless it's expedient to keep them in and girls are rarely educated beyond primary level.
They prefer not to engage with public health legislation either - even when local authorities provide rubbish disposal/portaloos etc. they invariably leave all sorts of refuse including faecal matter. (One playing field in Gloucester was out of use for months as a result of an illegal camp). This is happening all over the UK.
Where I lived in Gloucestershire, various legal settlements were allowed - within weeks, they were full with people who'd come over from Ireland. They swamped the local benefit offices, A&E's, shops, en masse, demanding their "rights". They were given outreach workers for health, midwifery, education, benefits, etc. because their "culture" prevented them from using mainstream services; going to the sites was difficult, as we often faced intimidation.
As neighbours, they were an absolute nightmare. And people who have lived close to them will probably say the same.
The Dale Farm people have used every legal avenue open to them, at enormous expense to the taxpayer; they have deliberately increased the size of their "community" over ten years, and used every delaying tactic they can muster, knowing that their usual modus operandus would get them what they wanted - it's worked many times before - this time it's failed.
....
Allowing the travellers to stay would set a legal precedent which would allow me, say, to buy a piece of land, build on it, and live there without regard to local or national law whilst expecting the local authority to supply services/healthcare/benefits as a right.
Basildon Council are right to evict them - they have offered homes (but these are not, apparently as "culturally appropriate" as the houses they have built or already own in Ireland) at the expense of locals who have been on the waiting lists for many years, and these have been refused. They will not move to the legal site 200 metres down the road. The travellers won't travel.
We have, rightly, close historical ties with Ireland; with those comes generous reciprocal agreements - on both sides - for residence and its associated benefits. What these travellers are doing is taking advantage of these to enrich themselves in a way they have been prevented from doing, legally, in their own country.'
davewebbsbrain
Webby⭐🦐
Numpties on Sky News defending Dale Farm to the hilt but the interviewer is getting the upper hand
Funky Kong
Member
MattE - Great find fella. That was a great read. The person that has written that extract is a legend of life.
C'mon you Shrimpers
Manager
Exactly what I wrote on 29/08/11. "Anyway this chap was clearly very proud of his heritage and said, "we were all good Romany gypsies.......................not like that lot at Dale farm".
Holy Joe
Manager⭐⭐🦐
apologies - with 22 pages of posts difficult to see what has already been posted.
steveo
mine to stay the same please
and the pictures form the BBC website showing blokes attacking the old Bill with shovels and lumps of wood. What do they expect the Police to do?
ian_the_girth
President
Have the Police starting shooting them yet? Now that would be great TV :thumbsup:
C'mon you Shrimpers
Manager
Matt E. I wasn't being critical. It was a great find and the letter matches exactly my experience with these people. They are parasites that want all their rights and none of the responsibilities of citizenship.
Berrichonne shrimper
Members
Now now mr girth,shooting them would be un-pc and bad for the envirment and a waste of good bullets,best just surrond the gaff and starve them to death.
OldBlueLady
Junior Blues Coordinator⭐⭐🦐
Others of us have also alluded to this though that piece is really an excellent find, and should be reprinted in every newspaper in the country.
Dick Bate's Protege
Minister for Equality
Yippeeeeee.....
Another Surrey Shrimper
Life President
bearing in mind that someone who has stuck up for the Dale Farm evictees is serving a zone ban for being too forceful in his opinions it might make sense for anyone of the oposite opinion to hold back on the death threats to people they have never even met. I'm not looking to get involved in the debate about the council, the law and the 'travellers', in my mind the site is illegal so they get moved on. What isn't going to help any debate is overexcited suggestions of murder, lets not forget that gypsies were on Adolf's hit list and we as a nation can never understand how the German public went along with his policies. Read above and its not so hard to understand. Dale Farm has run out of legal stalling and the police are in the process of evicting them, everyone that wanted that shouldn't really see this as the time for vitriol, some people need to calm down a bit.
steveo
mine to stay the same please
I think a lot of it comes from the frustration of knowing these people are there illegally and are quite likely on benefits having never contributed anything financially ever, whilst breaking a number of laws and doing as they please. If a normal person did all this they would be nicked.
Another Surrey Shrimper
Life President
Agreed, laws have clearly been broken and needs to be dealt with. But one person on here starts spouting completely OTT agression and its scary how others have rushed to join in. People don't like seeing others get away with stuff that they wouldn't get away with themselves but I doubt if anyone on here is directly affected by the site. I know I'm not so I've kept out of the debate, but when voices are saying 'shoot em, burn em, run em over', time to calm down, sounds too much like the nastiest period of European history.
pickledseal
cowboy
Very good point, well made.
My Twitter feed has had some truly scary stuff on it today!
I wonder what will happen next in this saga?
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