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Dale farm evictions "may breach human rights"

Its also a bit naive to focus on some peoples prejudice and ignore the fact these travellers are in the wrong and should be moved.

I know nothing of travellers but listening to what they themselves have been saying on TV has done themselves no favours. Come across as wanting a free ride.

I personally am delighted they have lost because their attitude stinks.

As an aside a prejudice must always be examined as if used for teh sole basis of an argument it will automatically reduce it's worth or credibility.

As Firestorm point's out there are many houses in Ireland in the names of the Dale Farm Residents , its a known issue for the Irish government and has been so for a long while . Because of course they have lost out of benefits , tax's etc .

Also people remember when some one argues for people paying their taxes and dues it does not make them automaticlly a dye in the wool facisit .
 
Will evicting these people result in more or fewer problems in the future?

One would hope fewer. Leaving them to stay would set a dangerous precedent in terms of the invasion of our open spaces in contravention of our planning laws. When we had an extension built on our house the amount of red tape and approvals that we had to obtain was ridiculous. Why should this lot be able to circumvent that because "it's their rights"?

You cannot have one law for the law abiding majority and another for those who choose to break the law and make the lives of their new neighbours hell. The sooner we get rid of this lot the better. Their own country doesn't want troublemakers like them, so why should we have to put up with it? I favour deportation personally, but that won't happen because "it's their rights".
 
Come on Jam Man, it´s a bit naive to gloss over the tone of many of the comments on this thread. Many of the commentators has probably never actually met a traveller in their life, yet speak with apparent authority on the subject.

I nearly married one,ive met many,ive been to dale farm(not in the last 6 years)many times and had run ins with the travs of dale farm also,and i dislike them and the way they live thier lifes.
Do i want them to die,no i dont,would i care if they did,no i wouldnt,if that makes me a bad person then that is a cap i will wear.
 
Will evicting these people result in more or fewer problems in the future?

One would hope fewer. Leaving them to stay would set a dangerous precedent in terms of the invasion of our open spaces in contravention of our planning laws. When we had an extension built on our house the amount of red tape and approvals that we had to obtain was ridiculous. Why should this lot be able to circumvent that because "it's their rights"?

You cannot have one law for the law abiding majority and another for those who choose to break the law and make the lives of their new neighbours hell. The sooner we get rid of this lot the better. Their own country doesn't want troublemakers like them, so why should we have to put up with it? I favour deportation personally, but that won't happen because "it's their rights".

I think Applelover hits the nail on the head with this question.

It's interesting how planning laws are on top of everyone's agenda... what the travellers have done is wrong, but I still feel this eviction will cause more problems than the planning-related one it has solved.

At present, there is a rough estimation of how many travellers are living on the site, and so the schools/health/etc in the area can cope with them. Whether they should be receiving these is a whole other matter, and not one for a simple solution. However now, they could be now anywhere... they may turn up at schools, doctors etc who are not ready to cope, not have budgeted for it.

Additionally they were very much tucked away in Dale Farm (you could just about sport from A127 but not driving through the village), if they rock up at local parks, more central locations it will cause more problems. I can't imagine house prices have instantly recovered, now will they given there is a legal traveller camp there. I'd be wanting compensation from the council if I lived there, and I have great sympathy for the people of Crays Hill who have seen their property devalue. Interesting to see if there is any court cases given the way in which Basildon Council have handled the debarcle.

A final cost will also be interesting (if it is ever announced), and the knock-on effects that will be seen across the council as a result of this. I hope the social, education, health departments remind the planning department of this! I live under BDC and so I am directly involved.

We DO have some massive wider issues to address... for example benefit fraud. Now I'm going to stick my neck out here, and suggest there may be a fair bit of it going on across the settled community of Basildon too (By the way do we deport them too?). This can often be found out by surveillance, investigation, recording, reporting etc. If you turf out this group of people, what chance have you ever got of investigating them?

There was one concentrated area of travellers which have now been dispersed, potentially your way, and I personally think there will be far more problems now than there ever was before. Also that disruption could well lead to more crime (I'm not saying it is okay by any means, but displaced people in need, will do what they need to survice). That money could have been far better spent.

Hooray for this planning law victory though!
 
I think Applelover hits the nail on the head with this question.

It's interesting how planning laws are on top of everyone's agenda... what the travellers have done is wrong, but I still feel this eviction will cause more problems than the planning-related one it has solved.

At present, there is a rough estimation of how many travellers are living on the site, and so the schools/health/etc in the area can cope with them.

But you still cannot let people break the law and not do something about it which is why this had to happen. You cant really accept Applelovers view, he has already spoke of his admiration for the way these people dodge paying tax and continually break the law.
 
There have been extensive articles in the Echo by Jon Austin (an award winning investigative journalist ) about the town in Ireland where the Sheridan clan ,in particular, own properties and are developing others.
I don't live in Essex anymore (obv) so haven't read the Echo piece but can't see how they are deloping properties in Ireland from a caravan in Essex. I think the whole Dale Farm story is something people look for new angles on to keep it news but its really straight forward, they are there illegally so need to move on, the travellers, protesters, council and courts have just made a hash of that. Threats, violence, hyperbole - just seems a bit pointless.
 
I don't live in Essex anymore (obv) so haven't read the Echo piece but can't see how they are deloping properties in Ireland from a caravan in Essex. I think the whole Dale Farm story is something people look for new angles on to keep it news but its really straight forward, they are there illegally so need to move on, the travellers, protesters, council and courts have just made a hash of that. Threats, violence, hyperbole - just seems a bit pointless.

It's a pity you have no access to the Echo. There was a great editorial today in the Echo which spelt the whole thing out to people who are missing the point. I expect their journalist to win an award for the pieces on the Rathkeale connection and the tarmacing businesses that are registered at Dale Farm now doing work in France.
I hope the outcome will be a change in the law making what they did a criminal offence which apparently it is in Ireland which is why they are here and that they are chased remorselessly by the tax and benefit agencies.
Although the police operation has been excellent in removing them, their lack of action to their lawlessness prior to this has been nothing short of a national scandal.
 
I may have missed it in the pages and pages on this but of the 34 arrested (as of early today) none were from Dale Farm itself and only one from Essex anyway

So basically rent-a-mob from elsewhere, why don't they invite the freeloaders to go live next door to them as they are in such support of them ??
 
So the bailiffs are knocking down all the static caravans... not allowing them to be moved off... will this not create more problems too? Where are the residents actually going to live? There are 4,000 people in Basilson already waiting for housing.
 
So the bailiffs are knocking down all the static caravans... not allowing them to be moved off... will this not create more problems too? Where are the residents actually going to live? There are 4,000 people in Basilson already waiting for housing.

They have been offered housing and turned it down as not culturally suitable so it wont make any difference. They have had 10 years to find somewhere else so all this nowhere to sleep tonight nonsense is ridiculous. They could link up with their husbands in other properties they have in the UK, that would be a novelty, but then they wont be able to claim single mother benefits. Tricky one isnt it.
 
As a immigrant to another country(legal immigrant) i havnt seen the echo bar the on=line version so can anyone shed any light on what the chaps from dale farm are doing in France please.
ps let em stay.
 
Wise words from Herr Littlejohn on this:

Hysterical wailing about ‘ethnic cleansing’ and ‘racism’ is simply ludicrous. This was a planning dispute, pure and simple. It wasn’t about ‘human rights’, it was because the travellers were demanding to be treated as a special case.

Unfortunate victims? The travellers are adept at playing the system. Had this been a conservatory or bathroom extension erected without planning permission in a residential area, it would have been demolished years ago — at the owner’s expense.

This case has been rumbling on for a decade. The travellers have been indulged at every turn and encouraged to drag out the legal process, even though they reserve the right to ignore any law they don’t like. Far from being unfortunate victims, they are skilled at playing a system paralysed by political correctness and the doctrine of ‘celebrating diversity’. They know every loophole and cynically exploit the sympathy card.

Although they pretended that eviction would leave them homeless and destitute, many of the Dale Farm residents own houses back in Ireland.

Plenty of travellers are shrewd, ruthless businessmen with an eye for the main chance. Reliable sources attest that the head of the Sheridan clan, which formed the core of the illegal camp, tried to shakedown Basildon Council for £6 million to go quietly.
 
Wise words from Herr Littlejohn on this:

Hysterical wailing about ‘ethnic cleansing’ and ‘racism’ is simply ludicrous. This was a planning dispute, pure and simple. It wasn’t about ‘human rights’, it was because the travellers were demanding to be treated as a special case.

Unfortunate victims? The travellers are adept at playing the system. Had this been a conservatory or bathroom extension erected without planning permission in a residential area, it would have been demolished years ago — at the owner’s expense.

This case has been rumbling on for a decade. The travellers have been indulged at every turn and encouraged to drag out the legal process, even though they reserve the right to ignore any law they don’t like. Far from being unfortunate victims, they are skilled at playing a system paralysed by political correctness and the doctrine of ‘celebrating diversity’. They know every loophole and cynically exploit the sympathy card.

Although they pretended that eviction would leave them homeless and destitute, many of the Dale Farm residents own houses back in Ireland.

Plenty of travellers are shrewd, ruthless businessmen with an eye for the main chance. Reliable sources attest that the head of the Sheridan clan, which formed the core of the illegal camp, tried to shakedown Basildon Council for £6 million to go quietly.

I usually don't have much time for the Daily Mail's hysterical rantings but I could not have put it better myself.
 
The protesters that concreted their arms in barrells etc - why cut the concrete away to free them - why not lift the protester complete with barrell and just move them so they are not in the way. Would love to see their faces!
 
The protesters that concreted their arms in barrells etc - why cut the concrete away to free them - why not lift the protester complete with barrell and just move them so they are not in the way. Would love to see their faces!

Or chuck 'em of the end of the pier?
 

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