Dale farm evictions "may breach human rights"

[Tangled up in Blue]

So just how can an illegal traveller site gain an injuction against pulling down illegal barracades? Thats me off to the bank in the morning for a loan to build a house on my little plot of land. Don't think i'll bother with the planning permission, whats good for the goose and all that.

The injunction (I believe there were 3 applied for)wasn't granted " against pulling down illegal barracades".It was apparently granted because individual letters hadn't been sent to the individual Dale farm residents informing them of Basildon Council's intended action.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

So lets hear it then Barna, and I know you have a reputation for avoiding questions that you are uneasy with, do you think the travellers on the illegal Dale Farm site should be allowed to stay where they are?

This only requires a yes or no answer.

:net:
The answer's yes(obviously) or be offered a "culturally appropriate alternative"(as I've suggested before).And FWIW, I dispute your take on my reputation.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

I notice that the rogue trader "banker" has allegedly cost his city firm 1.2 billion pounds.Cost of removing the Travellers?18 million pounds.
One law for the rich?:winking:

very true. He'll be going to jail,which is just where they and the great unwashed won't be. Funny old world.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Back in the real world after returning from your cloud cuckoo land, individual letters were hand delivered over a month ago and baliffs issued eviction notices this morning. The news reports today said that the latest delay is due to a injunction being issued to stop the barracades being pulled down supposedly because of individuals chaining and cementing themselves in the way as a human shield.

I personally suspect that this will drag on for another couple of months and the council will back down. This will of course set a president and make planning applications a joke that no-one will be bothered with resulting in many illegal building projects and those doing them quoting Dale Farm.

Also, my wife and father-in-law have both stated that they would rather the travellers be left alone as there is some land near us that has been sniffed around by them and rather them be at Dale Farm than on our doorstep, I tend to disagree.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

very true. He'll be going to jail,which is just where they and the great unwashed won't be. Funny old world.

Yes, but he didn't actually own the "casino" money he was playing around with.The Dale Farm residents do own the land they're being evicted from.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Back in the real world after returning from your cloud cuckoo land, individual letters were hand delivered over a month ago and baliffs issued eviction notices this morning. The news reports today said that the latest delay is due to a injunction being issued to stop the barracades being pulled down supposedly because of individuals chaining and cementing themselves in the way as a human shield.

I personally suspect that this will drag on for another couple of months and the council will back down. This will of course set a president and make planning applications a joke that no-one will be bothered with resulting in many illegal building projects and those doing them quoting Dale Farm.

Also, my wife and father-in-law have both stated that they would rather the travellers be left alone as there is some land near us that has been sniffed around by them and rather them be at Dale Farm than on our doorstep, I tend to disagree.

Not according to this report.http://gu.com/p/322gc:link:
Talking about returning from cloud cuckoo land,I've just got back here after an enjoyable 4 day visit to the UK,where I had the great pleasure of being bused from Basildon to Leigh on Saturday on c2c's excellent rail service before the Plymouth game.(The A13 was a joke and I'm told the A127 wasn't any better.Over 2 and a half hours for a trip that normally takes 50 minutes).:stunned:

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

Yes, but he didn't actually own the "casino" money he was playing around with.The Dale Farm residents do own the land they're being evicted from.

Barna you are such a plum. There is NO planning permission. Are you thick or something. They bought it at the price they did because it had NO planning permission. They are not stupid. They wilfully flouted the law. The man on the Clapham Omnibus is f**ing angry that there is one law for the lawless and another one for us mugs. Get out of your Barcelona bunker, take the guardian out of your arse and smell the coffee as they say.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Barna you are such a plum. There is NO planning permission. Are you thick or something. They bought it at the price they did because it had NO planning permission. They are not stupid. They wilfully flouted the law. The man on the Clapham Omnibus is f**ing angry that there is one law for the lawless and another one for us mugs. Get out of your Barcelona bunker, take the guardian out of your arse and smell the coffee as they say.

Certainly,the land was bought as "brownfield" land.You're quite right that there is currently no planning permission for the land(nor have I ever claimed there was).However, the Dale Farm residents were briefly granted such "greenfield" planning permission(by Prescott)but this was subsequently revoked.
It's also become clear that Basildon Council was complicit in laying hardcore concrete on the land making it impossible for the site now to ever be returned to its original state, as they've claimed they intend to do.

http://gu.com/p/32xah

This is political.I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee yourself.(I like mine strong,none of this instant muck, please).:tease:

Clearly,this Tory lead Government(and their cronies on Basildon Council)feel that Travellers are a lot easier to take on than the National Trust.
(Btw,my father was a builder-so I do know a bit about planning permission-and I don't live in a bunker,even a metaphorical one).:smiles:

 

[Boreham Shrimper]

How many courts need to hear this case? This has already been to the ECHR, who decided that it was proportionate for them to be evicted so why has this doddery old fool at the High Court decided that he knows better?

These Irish "travellers" (who have no intention of ever actually travelling again) have made the council, the local people and the courts look like total mugs over this, and every time they delay with these frivolous appeals, it only adds yet further to the bill. I hear from someone who lives very close to the site that they have plenty of hard cash which they drive around in vans to and from the site (hmm, I wonder where they got that from :whistling:) so I'd want to see them footing the bill for every single penny that of the council's expenditure that has been incurred in the course of protecting the rights of the local people. Of course, that will never happen though.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Certainly,the land was bought as "brownfield" land.You're quite right that there is currently no planning permission for the land(nor have I ever claimed there was).However, the Dale Farm residents were briefly granted such "greenfield" planning permission(by Prescott)but this was subsequently revoked.
It's also become clear that Basildon Council was complicit in laying hardcore concrete on the land making it impossible for the site now to ever be returned to its original state, as they've claimed they intend to do.

http://gu.com/p/32xah

This is political.I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee yourself.(I like mine strong,none of this instant muck, please).:tease:

Clearly,this Tory lead Government(and their cronies on Basildon Council)feel that Travellers are a lot easier to take on than the National Trust.
(Btw,my father was a builder-so I do know a bit about planning permission-and I don't live in a bunker,even a metaphorical one).:smiles:

We have two things in common then, Southend United and our fathers were both builders. Some of my fathers building skills rubbed off on me unlike your source from The Guardian. 12 inches of hardcore concrete will support 8-12 ton of weight and to return it to its original state in this county requires removing the top layer and replacing it with good old fashioned Essex clay then seeding it with cumberland turf seed or a cheaper comparison. I'm sure you father would agree with me so your link to the oh so reliable Guardian sort of blows their perpective out of the water.

Love and kisses

Feral Rat

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

Certainly,the land was bought as "brownfield" land.You're quite right that there is currently no planning permission for the land(nor have I ever claimed there was).However, the Dale Farm residents were briefly granted such "greenfield" planning permission(by Prescott)but this was subsequently revoked.
It's also become clear that Basildon Council was complicit in laying hardcore concrete on the land making it impossible for the site now to ever be returned to its original state, as they've claimed they intend to do.


This is political.I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee yourself.(I like mine strong,none of this instant muck, please).:tease:

Clearly,this Tory lead Government(and their cronies on Basildon Council)feel that Travellers are a lot easier to take on than the National Trust.
(Btw,my father was a builder-so I do know a bit about planning permission-and I don't live in a bunker,even a metaphorical one).:smiles:

But you know everything about everything. Or at least think you do. And don't mention that ****ing idiot Prescott. The facts are simple but you ignore them as they don't fit your myopic view of the world. The bloke who had the scrap yard sold it to the non traveling trevellers when he got the ache when Basildon Council would not give him retrospective planning permission for hm to use the field he had strewn with old bangers as an extension to his business, That is it. It was never a brown field site, it was always green belt. The fact is that the scrap merchant had illegally extended his yard. Hopefully justice will prevail and they and their hangers on will depart. BTW I wonder how many of the activists are actually supported by our taxes. Most I would guess . What mugs we are.

 

[OldBlueLady]

But you know everything about everything. Or at least think you do. And don't mention that ****ing idiot Prescott. The facts are simple but you ignore them as they don't fit your myopic view of the world. The bloke who had the scrap yard sold it to the non traveling trevellers when he got the ache when Basildon Council would not give him retrospective planning permission for hm to use the field he had strewn with old bangers as an extension to his business, That is it. It was never a brown field site, it was always green belt. The fact is that the scrap merchant had illegally extended his yard. Hopefully justice will prevail and they and their hangers on will depart. BTW I wonder how many of the activists are actually supported by our taxes. Most I would guess . What mugs we are.

Yes, agreed, I would strongly suspect that most of the protesters who have added to the numbers are on benefits of some kind or another, and if any of them are on JSA then I hope it's withdrawn as they clearly aren't actively looking for jobs while they're there! Same goes for any of the other benefits that could be withdrawn. Time we started hitting people with harsher penalties if they contravene the terms of their benefits being issued.

 

[Firestorm]

Certainly,the land was bought as "brownfield" land.You're quite right that there is currently no planning permission for the land(nor have I ever claimed there was).However, the Dale Farm residents were briefly granted such "greenfield" planning permission(by Prescott)but this was subsequently revoked.
It's also become clear that Basildon Council was complicit in laying hardcore concrete on the land making it impossible for the site now to ever be returned to its original state, as they've claimed they intend to do.

http://gu.com/p/32xah

This is political.I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee yourself.(I like mine strong,none of this instant muck, please).:tease:

Clearly,this Tory lead Government(and their cronies on Basildon Council)feel that Travellers are a lot easier to take on than the National Trust.
(Btw,my father was a builder-so I do know a bit about planning permission-and I don't live in a bunker,even a metaphorical one).:smiles:

one of the other peices in the echo gave a bit of insight into the sale.

The original owner of the scrap yard felt that they should have been able to get Planning permission due to the scrap yard he had been running on it (I imagine that to build there would need to be all manner of toxicity tests done considering the previous use which I am sure the travellers would also comply with, but thata an aside)
He then went on to give the story behind the sale.

When he owned the scrapyard, Basildon council gave authority for a legal travellers site next door, the yard owner (who had various contracts with the council for removing abandoned cars etc) objected. Now it didn't say how much or in which manner he objected, but the council later withdrew the contracts , so he sold the site to the travellers.
Sounds like spite to me, but he was perfectly within his rights to sell the land.

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

one of the other peices in the echo gave a bit of insight into the sale.

The original owner of the scrap yard felt that they should have been able to get Planning permission due to the scrap yard he had been running on it (I imagine that to build there would need to be all manner of toxicity tests done considering the previous use which I am sure the travellers would also comply with, but thata an aside)
He then went on to give the story behind the sale.

When he owned the scrapyard, Basildon council gave authority for a legal travellers site next door, the yard owner (who had various contracts with the council for removing abandoned cars etc) objected. Now it didn't say how much or in which manner he objected, but the council later withdrew the contracts , so he sold the site to the travellers.
Sounds like spite to me, but he was perfectly within his rights to sell the land.

saw the chap on the news yesterday and to gain access to the site you had to drive thru the travellers site so no one would buy it apart from the travellers

 

[pickledseal]

If I'm reading all this correctly, a fair bit of blame can be put at the feet of Basildon Council?

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

If I'm reading all this correctly, a fair bit of blame can be put at the feet of Basildon Council?

No,as i see it its all barmablues fault.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

We have two things in common then, Southend United and our fathers were both builders. Some of my fathers building skills rubbed off on me unlike your source from The Guardian. 12 inches of hardcore concrete will support 8-12 ton of weight and to return it to its original state in this county requires removing the top layer and replacing it with good old fashioned Essex clay then seeding it with cumberland turf seed or a cheaper comparison. I'm sure you father would agree with me so your link to the oh so reliable Guardian sort of blows their perpective out of the water.

Love and kisses

Feral Rat

Always nice to know you've got something in comon with another SUFC supporter.
I'm sure my father would agree with you too(if he were still around).I only spent a couple of summers on his building sites as a teenager and while I mixed a bit of cement(amongst doing many other things)I certainly don't have your knowledge of the trade).

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

But you know everything about everything. Or at least think you do. And don't mention that ****ing idiot Prescott. The facts are simple but you ignore them as they don't fit your myopic view of the world. The bloke who had the scrap yard sold it to the non traveling trevellers when he got the ache when Basildon Council would not give him retrospective planning permission for hm to use the field he had strewn with old bangers as an extension to his business, That is it. It was never a brown field site, it was always green belt. The fact is that the scrap merchant had illegally extended his yard. Hopefully justice will prevail and they and their hangers on will depart. BTW I wonder how many of the activists are actually supported by our taxes. Most I would guess . What mugs we are.

I'm not sure(as you say)that the facts are all that simple.But then, I don't claim to "know everything about everything,"as you say I do,either.
As I understand it, when the Travellers bought the land it was classified as a brown field site.It is a fact(as I said) that Prescott did briefly give planning permission for the land to be built on, though this was later revoked.
Perhaps, you're guilty of ignoring facts that "don't fit your myopic view of the world",too?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Dale Farm solidarity statement

http://dalefarm.wordpress.com/

This is the view from the horse's mouth(so to speak).Probably won't be in the Echo though.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Touché.I'm sure he would too(if he were still around).I only spent a couple of summers on his building sites as a teenager and while I mixed a bit of cement(amongst doing many other things)I certainly don't have your knowledge of the trade).

Probably goes a long way to explaing how you are so good at stirring the ***** on here