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Coronavirus (Non-Politics)

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Exactly @MK Shrimper , statistics will also show some diseases, polio, TB had been wiped out and had a re-birth over the last few decades. The statistic don't show the easily identified reasons for that.
Not many folks in the 1930/40s had dementia, reasons are simple but the stats will show it as an almost modern era infirmity.

Not too many had Type 2 diabetes either,basically because working class men didn't live long enough to develop it.
 
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My wife and I have both had both our jabs. We did have a holiday booked for a wedding, but the wedding has been moved to the UK. However, that wasn't the reason for getting the jab. The reason is simply because it is the right thing to do for society as a whole, and because I really don't want to get ill.

I know this is probably controversial, but I am all for vaccine passports for travel home and abroad, and also for events with large gatherings. The passport should be for people that have been vaccinated and for people that are exempt. There should be no distinction between the 2 so that no-one is made to feel inferior. That way the only people that won't have a vaccine passport are the people that choose not to get vaccinated. The fact that they won't be able to go on holiday or attend events becomes a consequence of their decision. Basically, you weigh up the pros and cons, and if you still decide you don't want the vaccine, then this is one of the cons...

Please explain what the benefits of vaccine passports are? If you are vaccinated, then you're protected, so why do you care if other people are? What business is other people's medical history to you? Why should everyone need a vaccine to get their basic rights back, for a virus with a survival rate of over 99% and which predominantly kills elderly people with underlying conditions (not the type of people you typically get at large events)?

As well as the serious ethical questions there are also practical questions. Israel has already abandoned its 'green pass' scheme after three months. The track and trace app isn't even enforced properly in the UK, do you really think vaccine passports would be?
 
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Please explain what the benefits of vaccine passports are? If you are vaccinated, then you're protected, so why do you care if other people are? What business is other people's health status to you? Why should everyone need a vaccine to get their basic rights back, for a virus with a survival rate of over 99% and which predominantly kills elderly people with underlying conditions (not the type of people you typically get at large events)?

As well as the serious ethical questions there are also practical questions. Israel has already abandoned its 'green pass' scheme after three months. The track and trace app isn't even enforced properly in the UK, do you really think vaccine passports would be?

Because I'll still be able to catch Covid even if I've been vaccinated. It may be far less likely, but it is still a possibility. I may not get ill, but I'll still be able to pass it on to people that may be vulnerable. Obviously people that haven't been vaccinated a far more likely to catch and pass on the virus even to people like me. Moreover, the more times it is passed on the more chance there is of a mutation appearing that is vaccine resistant. By making sure people that haven't been vaccinated aren't mixing in too large a number we'll be minimising the risks.

(As I said, it's controversial...)
 
Please explain what the benefits of vaccine passports are? If you are vaccinated, then you're protected, so why do you care if other people are? What business is other people's health status to you? Why should everyone need a vaccine to get their basic rights back, for a virus with a survival rate of over 99% and which predominantly kills elderly people with underlying conditions (not the type of people you typically get at large events)?

As well as the serious ethical questions there are also practical questions. Israel has already abandoned its 'green pass' scheme after three months. The track and trace app isn't even enforced properly in the UK, do you really think vaccine passports would be?

There, I think, lies a key driver to the opposing views on the subject.
Difficult to debate the point without straying from the straight and narrow of this forum.
 
Please explain what the benefits of vaccine passports are? If you are vaccinated, then you're protected, so why do you care if other people are? What business is other people's health status to you? Why should everyone need a vaccine to get their basic rights back, for a virus with a survival rate of over 99% and which predominantly kills elderly people with underlying conditions (not the type of people you typically get at large events)?

As well as the serious ethical questions there are also practical questions. Israel has already abandoned its 'green pass' scheme after three months. The track and trace app isn't even enforced properly in the UK, do you really think vaccine passports would be?

To protect people who have been vaccinated against those who haven't. Stop keep saying people who have been vaccinated are protected, you know as well as us all, you're not protected 100%.
 
The 'death rate' in England in 2020, population adjusted, was the worst since 2003... and less than any year going back to 1990.
Age adjusted it was the worst since 2008, and again less than any year going back to 1990.
Call it what ever you want but its not a 'once in lifetime pandemic'. its no more than a bad flu year
 
Thats because if you died in an RTA but had tested positive in the last 28 days then it was a covid related death.
That could be the statistically collected possibility, however in reality all deaths in road traffic collisions are referred and reported to HM Coroners who attribute the cause of death on the individual death circumstances.. Not bean counting or administrative comfort.
A recent myth has been made (in your example) to rival the "being sued for clearing the snow/ persons slipping" story.
But it is a funny story for a beer chat and righting the wrongs.
 
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To protect people who have been vaccinated against those who haven't. Stop keep saying people who have been vaccinated are protected, you know as well as us all, you're not protected 100%.

Christ, how much protection do you need? Some people should just stay at home forever...

I think it's a slippery slope if we're going to divide people into 'vaccinated' and 'unvaccinated'. There was even a debate on Good Morning Britain the other day about whether you should ditch unvaccinated friends. It seems to be dividing people as much as Brexit, maybe even more so.
 
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Thats because if you died in an RTA but had tested positive in the last 28 days then it was a covid related death.

It would also be recorded as a RTA death. Just like if you had a heart attack behind the wheel. I believe it is very common for there to be more than one cause of death recorded.
 
That could be the statistically collected possibility, however in reality all deaths in road traffic collisions are referred and reported to HM Coroners who attribute the cause of death on the indivial death circumstances.. Not bean counting or administrative comfort.
A recent myth has been made (in your example) to rival the "being sued for clearing the snow/ persons slipping" story.
But it is a funny story for a beer chat and righting the wrongs.

What about the people, like a personal friend of mine who had to film his own dead father (in bed not an RTA) because the doctor wouldn't attend the house. His family have fought hard not to have covid on his death certificate. Certainly not a myth, its atruth that some cant accept.

As for stats even on deaths. They are constantly change and are manipulated by governments ,long before we had heard of Covid. Fire deaths being a great example. Even when people are told the truth, the first stat sticks in the public mind.
 
The 'death rate' in England in 2020, population adjusted, was the worst since 2003... and less than any year going back to 1990.
Age adjusted it was the worst since 2008, and again less than any year going back to 1990.
Call it what ever you want but its not a 'once in lifetime pandemic'. its no more than a bad flu year

So you're ignoring all the medical advances that have been made in the last 30 years that have produced a lower death rate? Ignoring all the lockdowns, social distancing etc that will have reduced the number of cases and deaths?

Without all that I reckon the death rate would have been higher.
 
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So you're ignoring all the medical advances that have been made in the last 30 years that have produced a lower death rate? Ignoring all the lockdowns, social distancing etc that will have reduced the number of cases and deaths?

Without all that I reckon the death rate would have been higher.

What about the years in the last 30 where the death rate was higher, normally in a bad flu year. Did medical science have a sabbatical?

Still I'm glad we here all about covid non stop because with out the MSM none of us would know we are in the middle of a 'deadly' pandemic.
 
This thread has been lively for some time now, and at times has reminded me why we closed the Politics forum. So please keep the thread flowing but lets play the ball and not the players. The alternative? well you know what that could be. Thanks.
 
Looks like the government are reviewing the foreign travel list. Will be a shame for those that have gone abroad to a country that is green, only for it to change to amber (or possibly even red)

However, in the current climate, i'm not sure why anyone would want to go abroad. The nice weather is here now (hopefully), and except for visiting family / friends or work most people can have a pretty good holiday in this country. Granted your not going to be able to book a villa with a pool but the UK has got some exceptional beaches
 
Looks like the government are reviewing the foreign travel list. Will be a shame for those that have gone abroad to a country that is green, only for it to change to amber (or possibly even red)

However, in the current climate, i'm not sure why anyone would want to go abroad. The nice weather is here now (hopefully), and except for visiting family / friends or work most people can have a pretty good holiday in this country. Granted your not going to be able to book a villa with a pool but the UK has got some exceptional beaches
Would have thought that any administration with sense would do a UK holiday campaign for the next couple years, promoting UK business and helping the country to recover by kickstarting the flow of £££ within the UK economy.

We could have had a decent, closed-border UK summer of economic recovery but airlines and holiday companies seem to be efficient lobbyers of government.
 
So you're ignoring all the medical advances that have been made in the last 30 years that have produced a lower death rate? Ignoring all the lockdowns, social distancing etc that will have reduced the number of cases and deaths?

Without all that I reckon the death rate would have been higher.

In retrospect and knowing what I do know about the virus I think we would have been better spending billions on protecting hospitals, care homes and the vulnerable rather than paying 20 something healthy people to sit at home.
 
Why is Ivermectin still not authorised for covid treatment in UK despite high success rates in other countries [ latest India]. It seems strange that in a pandemic emergency that allows trial injections does not allow the use of a safe drug.
 
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