Brexit negotiations thread

[Bielzibubz]

A rare visit for me in this political forum, but for what it's worth, IMO The UK will out live the EU (as we know it now).

Many parts of Spain, Italy, France, Holland, Germany, Greece and even some of the new eastern European countries are getting fed up with the dictatorship from the Brussels HQ. Especially on freedom of movement. It seems that Macron & Merkel decide quotas on illegal immegrants to other countries, other than their own, in order to save face.

Anyway, back to the Brexit debate. I feel we have a strong hand, in terms of the import / export of goods & control of our borders, add to that new international deals that were previously subject to big tax rates by the EU. IE: Australia, New Zealand, China, USA etc..

Rare visit or not be prepared to be shot down in flames by the loony left as some sort of xenophobic and racist right wing nutjob with little to no understanding of how the world works either socially or financially :winking:

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Rare visit or not be prepared to be shot down in flames by the loony left as some sort of xenophobic and racist right wing nutjob with little to no understanding of how the world works either socially or financially :winking:

Know your opposition Biel!
OK there a few (Barna?***?) :zzzzz:lefties in the Remaining camp but the most seem to be "doing well" capitalists, on the right of centre, who know a little bit, or more, about trade, :pig:money dealings etc and are doing very nicely out of the present status quo: and don't want that to be threatened by the lower strata of society having a fairer deal.
And then there is also the occasional pot stir poster.:raspberry:
There are a couple of genuine posters concerned for the next generation. :omg:
Almost forgot the few that a defeatist, gloom and doom, sheep. :angry:


The emojos things are an attempt to put picture to words.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Know your opposition Biel!
OK there a few (Barna?***?) :zzzzz:lefties in the Remaining camp but the most seem to be "doing well" capitalists, on the right of centre, who know a little bit, or more, about trade, :pig:money dealings etc and are doing very nicely out of the present status quo: and don't want that to be threatened by the lower strata of society having a fairer deal.
And then there is also the occasional pot stir poster.:raspberry:
There are a couple of genuine posters concerned for the next generation. :omg:
Almost forgot the few that a defeatist, gloom and doom, sheep. :angry:


The emojos things are an attempt to put picture to words.

Point taken MG, point taken ;)

 

[MK Shrimper]

You immediately lose the argument when you post the words "loony" next to "left".

 

[Bielzibubz]

:smile: Why, in my own opinion the vast majority of the left leaning miscreants on here are. You've got to be short of a few up top if you vote for the current Labour bunch so to me it's perfectly apt :winking:

Anyway, back on topic. It seems the EU are keen to flex their collective muscle and dictate to the UK what, where, when and how this whole Brexit deal will play out. Exactly what I'd expect. They've been getting everything their own way for decades with each and every country that's joined having already bent over backwards and do all it's told in order to join the nice little cosy and corrupt club. Now a country has actually had the temerity to be actually doing something for it's own betterment they can't quite handle it and do exactly what is to be expected, stamp it's collective feet and try and lay down the law like the playground bully it is.

We're leaving and we're leaving without a second vote on the deal and the sooner it happens the better for all concerned.

 

[Lord Football]

Debate on BBC Parliament. Its the Ways and Means debate on what I am lazily going to call the Customs Bill - which is the primary legislation covering the movement of goods across borders. Essentially, its a UK version of the Union Customs Code, which is the EU Law that governs the process.

The debate has opened up the questions on the customs union, single market and the technical issues around RoRo (Dover), Northern Ireland, trade deals etc etc.... basically a lot of the technical stuff myself and Callan have rattled on about for the last few months (and indeed, we could have scripted the discussion).

If you've been interested in the mechanics of this (rather than the mud slinging we've descended into), its worth a watch.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Without wishing to take this down a debate on HS2, the Government's business case calculates that for every £1 invested will deliver benefits worth more than £2.50 to the UK economy: a total of more than £103bn. You can argue that, but its not really the point.

The point is, HS2 has been costed, and benefits identified.

Brexit hasn't been costed (because it wasn't government policy until the referendum, and as we are seeing, no one really knows).

It has been costed.

The Treasury's best estimate was that it was going to cost us £4,300 a year each by 2030.

 

[rigsby]

• . I thought our agriculture and fishing industries were doing relatively well. Stand to be corrected.

• Just to update you Lordy. I was out fishing (rod and line) last Thursday on a friends boat who is a fellow Southend fan He is very knowledgeable about the industry and involved in bass conservation etc. When he checked on his computer of the 200 boats over 10m in our waters that day, guess how may were British.....3
• We can only keep 1 bass per day, denying us our rights set out in the magna carta.
• Interestingly he also gets reports from the police and it appears that there is quite a lot of small boats being used to smuggle illegal immigrants into the various places around the East coast. Mainly at night of course.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

:smile: Why, in my own opinion the vast majority of the left leaning miscreants on here are. You've got to be short of a few up top if you vote for the current Labour bunch so to me it's perfectly apt :winking:

Anyway, back on topic. It seems the EU are keen to flex their collective muscle and dictate to the UK what, where, when and how this whole Brexit deal will play out. Exactly what I'd expect. They've been getting everything their own way for decades with each and every country that's joined having already bent over backwards and do all it's told in order to join the nice little cosy and corrupt club. Now a country has actually had the temerity to be actually doing something for it's own betterment they can't quite handle it and do exactly what is to be expected, stamp it's collective feet and try and lay down the law like the playground bully it is.

We're leaving and we're leaving without a second vote on the deal and the sooner it happens the better for all concerned.

Groucho Marx used to say that that he "didn't want to be a member of any club that would accept him as a member".Pity the UK didn't think that through, back in 1974.Of course there has to be a financial price to pay in any divorce settlement over 40 years later.

Don't worry there won't be any second vote about it but the divorce settlement might just bleed the UK dry,not to mention mortgaging the prospects of future generations.

 

[maninasuitcase]

[*]
[*]Just to update you Lordy. I was out fishing (rod and line) last Thursday on a friends boat who is a fellow Southend fan He is very knowledgeable about the industry and involved in bass conservation etc. When he checked on his computer of the 200 boats over 10m in our waters that day, guess how may were British.....3
[*]
[*]We can only keep 1 bass per day, denying us our rights set out in the magna carta.
[*]
[*]Interestingly he also gets reports from the police and it appears that there is quite a lot of small boats being used to smuggle illegal immigrants into the various places around the East coast. Mainly at night of course.
[/LIST]

Oh dear, you are making stuff up again.

Restrictions on fishing in England pre date Henry VIII.

 

[rigsby]

Oh dear, you are making stuff up again.

Restrictions on fishing in England pre date Henry VIII.

Not for sports fisherman they haven't. Of which many are also shrimpers

Rather than use debate avoiding insults why not comment on the absolute fact that 197 fishing boats out of 200 were foreign.

 

[Lord Football]

[*]
[*]Just to update you Lordy. I was out fishing (rod and line) last Thursday on a friends boat who is a fellow Southend fan He is very knowledgeable about the industry and involved in bass conservation etc. When he checked on his computer of the 200 boats over 10m in our waters that day, guess how may were British.....3
[*]
[*]We can only keep 1 bass per day, denying us our rights set out in the magna carta.
[*]
[*]Interestingly he also gets reports from the police and it appears that there is quite a lot of small boats being used to smuggle illegal immigrants into the various places around the East coast. Mainly at night of course.
[/LIST]

That's really surprising. There are 1336 ships over 10m registered in the UK. I find it unfathomable that only THREE were in British waters at the time of your mate's check - or indeed only 200 in total. Maybe they were all in Spanish waters.

From what I can tell, limits on fish are UK legisltion not EU. The EU legislation covers the fishing industry. Again, stand to be corrected and I know next to nothing about fish other than how to cook them.

Magna Carta. Lol.

 

[rigsby]

That's really surprising. There are 1336 ships over 10m registered in the UK. I find it unfathomable that only THREE were in British waters at the time of your mate's check - or indeed only 200 in total. Maybe they were all in Spanish waters.

From what I can tell, limits on fish are UK legisltion not EU. The EU legislation covers the fishing industry. Again, stand to be corrected and I know next to nothing about fish other than how to cook them.

Magna Carta. Lol.

Well he will be sitting right next to me v Oldham so if you want to ask him yourself then come an meet us for beer.:thumbsup:

We do have the right to provide food from the sea for our families under the Magna Carta.

 

[Lord Football]

Well he will be sitting right next to me v Oldham so if you want to ask him yourself then come an meet us for beer.:thumbsup:

We do have the right to provide food from the sea for our families under the Magna Carta.

Might take you up on that.... but do you think its credible that out of a fleet of 1336 that only 3 were on the water. That suggests something massively wrong - and I am not quite sure why it would be Brexit related (because the reverse argument is that there 197 EU boat fishing, why weren't ours).

Magna Carta. And I get concerned we are going back to 1973......

 

[rigsby]

Might take you up on that.... but do you think its credible that out of a fleet of 1336 that only 3 were on the water. That suggests something massively wrong - and I am not quite sure why it would be Brexit related (because the reverse argument is that there 197 EU boat fishing, why weren't ours).

Magna Carta. And I get concerned we are going back to 1973......

I did say boats over 10m so maybe wires are being crossed but you will have to speak to him. He is Chairman of Shoebury waterman's association. He explained that some boat owners do have certain reciprocal 'Grandfather rights' to fish in certain European waters that go back centuries.

 

[Pubey]

the state of this thread.

EMA and EBA will be leaving London (obviously). That's a lot of very smart people either moving abroad, or job hunting in sectors with massive uncertainty about post-Brexit. Our financial services and our health/pharma/life-sciences industries are two sectors that the UK has been one of the world leaders in. Looks like we're giving that up for 'sovereignty' or some bollocks.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

the state of this thread.

EMA and EBA will be leaving London (obviously). That's a lot of very smart people either moving abroad, or job hunting in sectors with massive uncertainty about post-Brexit. Our financial services and our health/pharma/life-sciences industries are two sectors that the UK has been one of the world leaders in. Looks like we're giving that up for 'sovereignty' or some bollocks.

Yep, two big losses. Not just the jobs directly involved with it but all the infrastructure that supported it.

And the UK giving up a seat on the ICJ.

Instead of taking back control Brexit means handing power to the EU and surrendering influence in the world.

British productivity is being harmed by the amount of time and expense British companies are having to spend to ensure that they can continue their existing business. This is time and investment that could have been spent expanding, improving instead of running to stand still.

And the same about government. Instead of trying to fix the housing crisis, the NHS, pensions etc government is tied up trying to untangle this whole mess.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

the state of this thread.

EMA and EBA will be leaving London (obviously). That's a lot of very smart people either moving abroad, or job hunting in sectors with massive uncertainty about post-Brexit. Our financial services and our health/pharma/life-sciences industries are two sectors that the UK has been one of the world leaders in. Looks like we're giving that up for 'sovereignty' or some bollocks.

Yep, two big losses. Not just the jobs directly involved with it but all the infrastructure that supported it.

And the UK giving up a seat on the ICJ.

Instead of taking back control Brexit means handing power to the EU and surrendering influence in the world.

British productivity is being harmed by the amount of time and expense British companies are having to spend to ensure that they can continue their existing business. This is time and investment that could have been spent expanding, improving instead of running to stand still.

And the same about government. Instead of trying to fix the housing crisis, the NHS, pensions etc government is tied up trying to untangle this whole mess.

Barcelona thought they were in the running for the EMA, (finished a poor third).Obviously the recent (and ongoing) political problems didn't help.

 

[Pubey]

Barcelona thought they were in the running for the EMA, (finished a poor third).Obviously the recent (and ongoing) political problems didn't help.

My colleagues works in the EMA/regulation area and that was her view. I also think the Amsterdam relocation is probably a bit less disruptive due to geography/travel links.

#barnabluegetsitright(maybe)foronce

 

[maninasuitcase]

s

Not for sports fisherman they haven't. Of which many are also shrimpers

Rather than use debate avoiding insults why not comment on the absolute fact that 197 fishing boats out of 200 were foreign.

The Magna Carta pre-dates sport fishing by several hundred years. Also there are plenty of restrictions in place to protect fish stocks and also the bait that have been introduced over the years that have nothing to do with the EU.

I have no idea about your 'absolute fact' as I wasn't there. But you have a habit of making stuff up.