Brexit negotiations thread

[rigsby]

The EU army is up there with lets get Turkey on board as stupid ideas.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

The EU army is up there with lets get Turkey on board as stupid ideas.

Turkey and EU Army in one sentence, if the Swiss Navy was also to sign up Putin would pooh his pants.......................laughing.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

On that note, tell 3 things that have improved in the EU since June 2016.

I was eligible for retirement in October 2016 so that's one of them.

 

[GBJ]

Yeah, I cut Belguim a break when I went to Brugge a couple of years ago. Superb beer, I reckon they export Stella (which you will struggle to find in the Flemish region) and keep the good stuff for themselves. Try Leffe Ruby, Blonde or Brune. Really good sipping beers, but show them some respect, the Blonde and Brune pack a punch.

Urgh, If I even look at a pint of Leffe Blond I’m hung over for 3 days

 

[Lord Football]

On that note, tell 3 things that have improved in the EU since June 2016.

How about seven, just off the top of my head, for example

Wide ranging free trade deal with Canada which allows free access to the Canadian market and allows for cheaper Canadian goods to be sold here.

Wide ranging free trade deal with Japan which allows for UK businesses to expand into the Japanese market and for cheaper Japanese goods to be sold here

Introduction of the Anti Tax Avoidance Directive which will bring more money into government coffers

Update of the Cash Controls Regulation which makes illegal movements cash that much harder for terrorists and gives more power to law enforcement

GDRP which protects your data.

The EU data mobile legislation that allows us to use our phones when in the EU at the same tariff as we pay here.]

More locally, as part of wide ranging funding across the East of England, the EU funded the repair to the vandalised Prittlewell Chapel

 

[MK Shrimper]

Introduction of the Anti Tax Avoidance Directive which will bring more money into government coffers

And there we have the main reason why JRM, Gove, Johnson and other Hard Brexiteers, plus the press barons of the RW press, Dyson and that knob who owns Wetherspoons are so desperate to leave the EU.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

And there we have the main reason why JRM, Gove, Johnson and other Hard Brexiteers, plus the press barons of the RW press, Dyson and that knob who owns Wetherspoons are so desperate to leave the EU.

What a load of twaddle. The UK has already taken steps to implement the ATAD and nobody has (or ever would) argued against the CFC rule, interest limitation or the general anti-abuse rule. The problems these rules seek to tackle are phenomena which are exacerbated by the single market not being a single tax jurisdiction, allowing Ireland, Luxembourg and the Netherlands to undercut the whole of Europe and fill their boots with taxes they don't earn. The additional issue of non-doms is a longstanding one, where all of the major economies are equally complicit - the UK and France being two of the worst, but the Netherlands, USA, Spain, Germany, Belgium and others all have such low tax jurisdictions. Therefore international cooperation is needed to resolve that particular issue. However, it isnt only at an EU level - it is broader than that, so basically what you have articulated is a reason for global cooperation on the one hand and another to not have this half-arsed single market without it also being a single tax jurisdiction (which it never will be).

 

[Ricky Otto]

And there we have the main reason why JRM, Gove, Johnson and other Hard Brexiteers, plus the press barons of the RW press, Dyson and that knob who owns Wetherspoons are so desperate to leave the EU.

JRM is a disaster capitalist, his dad even wrote a book about it so his motives are clear and wetherspoons is probably the best example I could think of for a business that would benefit from economic hardship in this country. When nobody has any money and needs escapism the cheapest boozer on the high street will do well.

 

[MK Shrimper]

JRM is a disaster capitalist, his dad even wrote a book about it so his motives are clear and wetherspoons is probably the best example I could think of for a business that would benefit from economic hardship in this country. When nobody has any money and needs escapism the cheapest boozer on the high street will do well.

We'll all be drinking cans of Special Brew on a bench in Priory Park after 29th March

Oy Brexiteers: This is what's known as a joke before you get all uppity. Of course we won't be drinking Special Brew, that'd be silly.







It'll be lighter fluid as it's cheaper.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Theresa has crunched the numbers and realised that with the DUP her government have a majority in Parliament and focussing on them to get her deal through. That essentially means plan B is the same as plan A and she will tell her people that she will go back to the EU again, even though they said negotiating with her has finished.

The Telegraph are reporting that she is looking at amending the Good Friday Agreement to fit her deal. That's a worrying possibility but as DUP were against GFA when it was signed and May is desperate I guess it's a potential reality.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Urgh, If I even look at a pint of Leffe Blond I’m hung over for 3 days

Try sipping it rather than necking it. ?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Theresa has crunched the numbers and realised that with the DUP her government have a majority in Parliament and focussing on them to get her deal through. That essentially means plan B is the same as plan A and she will tell her people that she will go back to the EU again, even though they said negotiating with her has finished.

The Telegraph are reporting that she is looking at amending the Good Friday Agreement to fit her deal. That's a worrying possibility but as DUP were against GFA when it was signed and May is desperate I guess it's a potential reality.

Frankly,that's a non-starter.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Lord Football makes a very worthy list of EU goodies, I suspect (belief would be harder to be confident of) that an independent UK would have done many of those things as the EU did. Indeed I would hope that a future UK Guv would follow a positive lead set by another state as a matter of good governance.
Certainly a trade deal with Canada and Japan would be high on any agenda;- and other major economies?
I have never understood the EU budget and taxation, Euro and separate country deals nor fathomed how they are allowed. Luxembourg must be the biggest leech on the EU there is, it commutes workers in, taxes them, then sends them back to France/Germany to get their health care, schools etc which aren't supported by these "migrant" commuters' wages while Luxembourgers get enormous subsidies and have the highest rate of EU spending per person on them by the EU. And Junker is a bourgher!!!!!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...brexit-deal-likely-before-february-says-no-10

No second meaningful vote on May's Brexit deal until Febuary.Amazing attempt to run down the clock.

 

[rigsby]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...brexit-deal-likely-before-february-says-no-10

No second meaningful vote on May's Brexit deal until Febuary.Amazing attempt to run down the clock.

Its so the date can be extended. Surley that must be obvious to you

 

[Lord Football]

Lord Football makes a very worthy list of EU goodies, I suspect (belief would be harder to be confident of) that an independent UK would have done many of those things as the EU did. Indeed I would hope that a future UK Guv would follow a positive lead set by another state as a matter of good governance.
Certainly a trade deal with Canada and Japan would be high on any agenda;- and other major economies?

Its a good point Massimo.

We wouldn't have got free data roaming without being in the EU. Or Health Care for that matter. I hope, as a regular traveller for both work and pleasure, that these two things will be sorted as part of our exit. A lot of people may be in for a shock when they land in the Costas for their summer holidays. Longer queues at passport control, potential visa costs, no data roaming and paying for health care are all looming over the horizon. I don't know where we stand with these things. Does anyone?

It is a stated Government aim, post Brexit, that the UK develops its own trading arrangements across the globe. So, yes, I think we probably would have explored deals with Japan and Canada. Whether we'd have got them, I don't know. The EU is a big powerful manufacturing base, whereas the UK isn't. So these deals would look decidedly different.

 

[Lord Football]

Its so the date can be extended. Surley that must be obvious to you

Pointing out the obvious, she can ask to extend the date now. She doesn't have to wait until February,. Businesses are literally screaming for information and clarity and kicking the can further down the street isn't helping.

It must be remembered that EU may not agree to an extension.

It's a dangerous, dangerous game.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Pointing out the obvious, she can ask to extend the date now. She doesn't have to wait until February,. Businesses are literally screaming for information and clarity and kicking the can further down the street isn't helping.

It must be remembered that EU may not agree to an extension.

It's a dangerous, dangerous game.

Very true Lordy. All the more reason for Labour to stop being disingenuous and vote for the negotiated Brexit with the EU, to prevent further kicking of the can down the road, hey?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Very true Lordy. All the more reason for Labour to stop being disingenuous and vote for the negotiated Brexit with the EU, to prevent further kicking of the can down the road, hey?

Labour has a perfectly clear timetable on Brexit. A lot might yet happen in the next few weeks.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46950719

Finally some good Brexit news.