Brexit negotiations thread

[GBJ]

Sky are saying that the Tory whips have been called to London, and the vote of no confidence is happeninG.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Gove has ruled out resigning apparently.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Because he thinks he's God ,and he things he's right on every subject .As you all know no one is perfect JC included,and please don't mention his number 2 ,because I'm coming to the conclusion he thinks he's above God . Before lots of u think I am an avid Conservative I'm not ,in all my years following politics I don't think I've ever disliked 2 politicians more

I'm not a fan of him over his Brexit stance, but you're unlikely to meet a more humble and likeable politician IMHO.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Because he thinks he's God ,and he things he's right on every subject .As you all know no one is perfect JC included,and please don't mention his number 2 ,because I'm coming to the conclusion he thinks he's above God . Before lots of u think I am an avid Conservative I'm not ,in all my years following politics I don't think I've ever disliked 2 politicians more

but if you look at Labour policy a lot of those things that people think Corbyn is an avid supporter of are missing. Backing Remain at the referendum, agreeing to keep Trident - if he thought he was God those policies don't fit into your conclusion. The reality is that he is pragmatic, but you don't like his policies.

 

[GBJ]

Gove has ruled out resigning apparently.

Our entire Parliament looks a joke atm.

We’ve got a PM who is trying to drive through a plan, which nobody in the country agrees with.

Her team are more interested in their own personal achievements and gains, than doing what’s right for the people

We’ve got an opposition party which is maybe as polarising as we’ve ever had.

We’re trying to negotiate our way around a minefield, which is looking more & more impossible to deliver

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The Tories are completely shamless.Just like Claire Perry on QuestionTime last night,who-apropos of nothing,while supposedly defending the Tories Brexit chaos- dragged up the trope about Jeremy Corbyn being anti-semitic.Let's have that election asap.

 

[Stan33]

I'm not a fan of him over his Brexit stance, but you're unlikely to meet a more humble and likeable politician IMHO.

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I'm not a fan of him over his Brexit stance, but you're unlikely to meet a more humble and likeable politician IMHO.

that's the best laugh since yesterday ,when renewing my home insurance and the guy I was getting a quote from offered to match my present quote less £1 ,I burst out laughing and said do people change for £1 and he said yes !?I am sorry MK u must b the most deluded person in the UK .Sorry to ramble off subject but I can't what I've read !!!!!????

 

[Stan33]

I'm not a fan of him over his Brexit stance, but you're unlikely to meet a more humble and likeable politician IMHO.

Sorry I'm still laughing

 

[blues exile]

Perhaps your constant need to accuse others of racism is really to cover up for something.

Let’s have a little look at Latvia shall we.
For a start you have some strange rules over Citzenship so some people who were born there stil can’t vote.

Obviously you have far less Africans or Asians in your country. Just like most of Eastern Europe, there is discrimination against Ethnic minorities and gay people. Compared to Britain women have less rights.....

Historically it was a great place for the SS to recruit...They specialised in following up the German army into Russia. Whole villages were raped and murdered.

So if you want reasoned debate, you should stop sneering at others as you do in every arrogant post.

This is so off topic that this is not really the place to discuss these matters. However, let's try a bit of context. All three Baltic republics have been a battlefield fought over by more powerful nations over the centuries, Germany, Russia, Poland even Sweden. The scars of WW2 remain because of the successive occupations by Germany and Russia. At least 30% of the population is ethnic Russian and Russian speaking and widespread 'inter marriage' with ethnic Latvians further complicates the problems. People of goodwill are doing their best to resolve these ongoing issues but obviously it cannot happen overnight. I am not sure where 'women's rights' comes into this as I know of no instances where they are in an adverse situation to men.
Personally, where I live I have never seen a black nor brown face so I have no experience of racism here. Having lived in rural Norfolk for a number of years I did experience the same kind of insularity that sometimes is expressed here, with people from a few miles away being regarded as foreigners. As with most things it's down to education and experience to dispel false conceptions about the threat from 'the other'.
As Britons, we can have little idea of how terrible it must have been living under successive occupations with difficult choices to be made which often meant compromising or collaborating and then being held to account by the next oppressive regime, being uprooted and transported thousands of miles from your home. There are no easy armchair solutions, if only there were, but to try to make comparisons between an advanced western country with its much vaunted democracy and considerable wealth with a poor, fledgling republic still trying to come to terms with its troubled history is pointless and in the context of Brexit, irrelevant. Still worse, to attempt to somehow skew the debate to discredit the point of view of an expat simply because of where they currently live is pure displacement activity.

 

[Stan33]

Sorry I'm still laughing

Edit should have had the word believe ,laughing so much couldn't control my finger

 

[GBJ]

but if you look at Labour policy a lot of those things that people think Corbyn is an avid supporter of are missing. Backing Remain at the referendum, agreeing to keep Trident - if he thought he was God those policies don't fit into your conclusion. The reality is that he is pragmatic, but you don't like his policies.

I don’t think it’s his policies.

You must concede that his party is incredibly polarising, at the very least.

We’ve got one of the worst Tory leaderships in recent memory, who should have been trounced in the last general election, yet managed to cling on, due to the lack of faith & trust in the opposition.

And it’s not just Corbyn who people don’t trust. It’s the total package, which includes the likes of Abbott & Thornberry. Having those two in any real power, is genuinely worrying.

 

[rigsby]

This is so off topic that this is not really the place to discuss these matters. However, let's try a bit of context. All three Baltic republics have been a battlefield fought over by more powerful nations over the centuries, Germany, Russia, Poland even Sweden. The scars of WW2 remain because of the successive occupations by Germany and Russia. At least 30% of the population is ethnic Russian and Russian speaking and widespread 'inter marriage' with ethnic Latvians further complicates the problems. People of goodwill are doing their best to resolve these ongoing issues but obviously it cannot happen overnight. I am not sure where 'women's rights' comes into this as I know of no instances where they are in an adverse situation to men.
Personally, where I live I have never seen a black nor brown face so I have no experience of racism here. Having lived in rural Norfolk for a number of years I did experience the same kind of insularity that sometimes is expressed here, with people from a few miles away being regarded as foreigners. As with most things it's down to education and experience to dispel false conceptions about the threat from 'the other'.
As Britons, we can have little idea of how terrible it must have been living under successive occupations with difficult choices to be made which often meant compromising or collaborating and then being held to account by the next oppressive regime, being uprooted and transported thousands of miles from your home. There are no easy armchair solutions, if only there were, but to try to make comparisons between an advanced western country with its much vaunted democracy and considerable wealth with a poor, fledgling republic still trying to come to terms with its troubled history is pointless and in the context of Brexit, irrelevant. Still worse, to attempt to somehow skew the debate to discredit the point of view of an expat simply because of where they currently live is pure displacement activity.

You sound the last person who should be pointing the finger at others. Tangled has used the same defence....."We have no blacks so we have no racism"

If you want serious debate you should cease the usual left wing bingo phrases you seem to love. Even the usual reMAYners on here have seen sense and realised that doesn't work.

By the way I have just checked and the SS recruited 140,000 Latvians. That is very impressive considering your population is still less than 2m? now.

For those that don't know the SS did try to recruit from British POW camps. They managed about 20 who stayed in Germany, never had to fight and were given lots of privileges. The main recruiter was hanged as a traitor after the war.

 

[blues exile]

You sound the last person who should be pointing the finger at others. Tangled has used the same defence....."We have no blacks so we have no racism"

If you want serious debate you should cease the usual left wing bingo phrases you seem to love. Even the usual reMAYners on here have seen sense and realised that doesn't work.

By the way I have just checked and the SS recruited 140,000 Latvians. That is very impressive considering your population is still less than 2m? now.

For those that don't know the SS did try to recruit from British POW camps. They managed about 20 who stayed in Germany, never had to fight and were given lots of privileges. The main recruiter was hanged as a traitor after the war.

It is estimated that 80% were conscripts who had the choice of joining up or being sent to labour or concentration camps. When in a hole, stop digging.

 

[rigsby]

but if you look at Labour policy a lot of those things that people think Corbyn is an avid supporter of are missing. Backing Remain at the referendum, agreeing to keep Trident - if he thought he was God those policies don't fit into your conclusion. The reality is that he is pragmatic, but you don't like his policies.

He claimed he would respect the referendum result. Even you staunch fans knew that was completely false...….Operation 'Keep our gob shut until the right moment' is now in full swing.

With John McDonell is now talking a united Ireland and Abbott wearing a poppy it proves what most of us knew all along the Corbyn and his front bench cannot be trusted......Especially over Brexit.

 

[rigsby]

It is estimated that 80% were conscripts who had the choice of joining up or being sent to labour or concentration camps. When in a hole, stop digging.

They could have become partisans, fought for Russia or chose a labour camp. Instead they chose Concentration camps.....Not as victims but as enthusiastic and very reliable guards. The very fact they you are trying to excuse their crimes tells us a lot.

No wonder you wont wear a poppy and sneer at the 65% of Southenders who voted out.

 

[blues exile]

They could have become partisans, fought for Russia or chose a labour camp. Instead they chose Concentration camps.....Not as victims but as enthusiastic and very reliable guards. The very fact they you are trying to excuse their crimes tells us a lot.

No wonder you wont wear a poppy and sneer at the 65% of Southenders who voted out.[/QUOTE
Many did join the resistance of course but the fact remains that 80% plus were conscripted not volunteers and your other wild assertions are of course just that.
Typical scatter gun approach to then bring the poppy issue into it which is completely unrelated.

 

[Floval Flyer]

How is Corbyn a fraud?

He’s no more than a glorified hard line union convenor parading as an MP.

The ‘ Mr nice amiable’ persona is a charade to win votes from the gullible.
He has promised the earth but very few of his policies are deliverable, or financially viable (unless you have the maths skills of Diane Abbott) and if they were he’d hand back power to the union members who effectively elected him as leader.

If Corbyn has his way we’d be back to the days of pre-Thatcherite Britain.

 

[Floval Flyer]

You (and others) don't seem to have noticed that John Mac.is effectively defacto leader of the PLP.

He is downright dangerous!

 

[MK Shrimper]

He’s no more than a glorified hard line union convenor parading as an MP.

The ‘ Mr nice amiable’ persona is a charade to win votes from the gullible.
He has promised the earth but very few of his policies are deliverable, or financially viable (unless you have the maths skills of Diane Abbott) and if they were he’d hand back power to the union members who effectively elected him as leader.

If Corbyn has his way we’d be back to the days of pre-Thatcherite Britain.

Affordable houses, decent wages, and end to austerity? Dreadful isn't it. Need to keep the proles down and the shareholders happy eh?

And as Another SS has often stated, in the last election Labour's manifesto was costed. The Tories wasn't.

 

[rigsby]

Affordable houses, decent wages, and end to austerity? Dreadful isn't it. Need to keep the proles down and the shareholders happy eh?

And as Another SS has often stated, in the last election Labour's manifesto was costed. The Tories wasn't.

Sounds like Brtexit.

Where will they get the £300b to renationalise the railways ?