Brexit negotiations thread

[Tangled up in Blue]

See, that's where you're wrong. i'm neither left, right or anything else. It's just that your so far left and entrenched anyone with an opinion or viewpoint that differs from your's is automatically a right winger.

How can I be wrong when I've merely quoted your own opinion that you're "somewhat unbiased?" :unsure:

Even on the left, you'll have noticed (I imagine), that some people would like the referendum to be re-run.Others would like a new referendum on the terms of Brexit,while others still, (like me), reluctantly accept the referendum result and are just hoping for the best possible Brexit deal to be struck.

 

[Bielzibubz]

You have absolutely no idea what the future holds. Your blind faith in those idiots running this **** show is staggering, as is your paranoia about the EU.

Quite right MK, I don't, and have never ever claimed that I do, not once. Then again, neither do you. What I do have however is and understanding of both sides of the Brexit argument and like YB, form an opinion not based on a perceived political bias.

You on the other hand, you just hate anything right of centre so much that it clouds your judgement to such an extent that your opinions are so biased and one sided they can't be taken too seriously.

As I said, am I worried about the future? No. I've explained why but because of the reasons outlined above you'll never ever ever even slightly understand them. You don't want to. You don't want to understand or accept anything that might, God forbid, contradict your socialist/leftist ideals no matter what.

Real debate between two or more parties requires that those parties taking part go into that debate with an open and accepting mindset. When this thread was opened there were many in here that just that but over the months it is where it is now. Just the same usual suspects espousing the usual and predictable musings to the same usual suspects listening. The vast majority of the Brexit supporters that frequented this thread back in the day have left purely because of that. It's just a daily whinge fest now made by the same names. A shame really.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Sorry Boris, you've now lost all credibility. Why on earth couldn't you find a more plausible reason for your absence from the Heathrow vote.................like being in France viewing your post-brexit property?

 

[Gremlin]

are you happy with the progress that has been made over the last 2 years? Where we are right now - is that what you envisioned when you voted?

No. And no again, because we're still in the EU.

Do I think we're doomed and that the country is going to be wrecked? Also no.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

It's been 18 months of procrastination. That's not good for anybody.The UK or the EU.

 

[Barling Magna]

We can argue about the economic prospects until the cows come home but really we'll only know when we look back ten years after the Brexit transition period has finished (if we're still around then, I'll be approaching eighty years young).

What has always concerned me is that my father spent six years of his life fighting the Germans, Italians and even the Vichy French and my grandfather fought the Germans and Austro-Hungarians. Fortunately I haven't had to follow them in fighting across Europe. A united Europe was Winston Churchill's idea to ensure future peace and its worked well on that level (NATO is a defensive alliance against the Soviet Union, it does not ensure peace in Europe in the way that the EU does - witness Turkey and Greece fighting over Cyprus in the '70s).

With a Trump led America First policy NATO is under threat. When our children look back in thirty years time will they see Brexit as the start of a process which led to a rekindling of the fires of conflict in Europe which burned so brightly for centuries up until 1945? I sincerely hope not.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

No. And no again, because we're still in the EU.

Do I think we're doomed and that the country is going to be wrecked? Also no.

Not only are we still in the EU but the government don't yet have a plan for us leaving the EU.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

We can argue about the economic prospects until the cows come home but really we'll only know when we look back ten years after the Brexit transition period has finished (if we're still around then, I'll be approaching eighty years young).

What has always concerned me is that my father spent six years of his life fighting the Germans, Italians and even the Vichy French and my grandfather fought the Germans and Austro-Hungarians. Fortunately I haven't had to follow them in fighting across Europe. A united Europe was Winston Churchill's idea to ensure future peace and its worked well on that level (NATO is a defensive alliance against the Soviet Union, it does not ensure peace in Europe in the way that the EU does - witness Turkey and Greece fighting over Cyprus in the '70s).

With a Trump led America First policy NATO is under threat. When our children look back in thirty years time will they see Brexit as the start of a process which led to a rekindling of the fires of conflict in Europe which burned so brightly for centuries up until 1945? I sincerely hope not.

What you don't mention here, is the whole anti-immigration "debate" in the UK (and elsewhere tbf), culminating in the referendum result,which would appear to have made the country a less welcoming place to foreigners.That certainly concerns me and others.

 

[Barling Magna]

Yes, indeed. Illegal economic migration is one thing, but genuine asylum seekers and legal economic migrants and students should be welcomed as they have been in the past (albeit grudgingly in many instances).

 

[Benfleet A1]

What you don't mention here, is the whole anti-immigration "debate" in the UK (and elsewhere tbf), culminating in the referendum result,which would appear to have made the country a less welcoming place to foreigners.That certainly concerns me and others.

While immigration was a factor in the result it is unfair to say this country is any less inviting than the rest of Europe. Italy, Austria, Hungray, Poland to name just four are making alot of noises and Spain, Portugal and even Germany and France are hardly hanging out the bunting in welcome anymore.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

While immigration was a factor in the result it is unfair to say this country is any less inviting than the rest of Europe. Italy, Austria, Hungray, Poland to name just four are making alot of noises and Spain, Portugal and even Germany and France are hardly hanging out the bunting in welcome anymore.

Can't say I've ever been made to feel unwelcome as a legal resident of Spain for many years, or as a frequent visitor to France, where my wife and I will be staying for a week from Friday.

Also enjoyed recent (ish) trips to Berlin and Portugal.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Can't say I've ever been made to feel unwelcome as a legal resident of Spain for many years, or as a frequent visitor to France, where my wife and I will be staying for a week from Friday.

Also enjoyed recent (ish) trips to Berlin and Portugal.

Nice swerve with the usual denial bollocks.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Can't say I've ever been made to feel unwelcome as a legal resident of Spain for many years, or as a frequent visitor to France, where my wife and I will be staying for a week from Friday.

Also enjoyed recent (ish) trips to Berlin and Portugal.

What’s your point? I know many people of European extraction here (heck, I’ve done my very best to date most of them) and they not only feel welcome but indeed they love it here.

I'd ignore the media debate rubbish if I were you - in fact that's a rule to live by. What's reported is usually totally biased tosh, designed to fool the gullible into backing a particular political party or policy.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

'd ignore the media debate rubbish if I were you

My point is that I know at least two long term English residents here ( both with Catalan/Spanish partners) who are in the process of taking out Spanish nationality.Also a third,who's Scottish and will probably do the same when he can.

There must be thousands of EU citizens in the UK who are worried about their residency status.

As I suggested earlier, the message the referendum result would appear to be sending out, is that the UK is no longer a welcoming place for foreigners.

 

[IloveShrimp]

Speaking to someone the day after we had voted for Brexit. She said and I quote 'Does that mean that all the people who are on their way to holiday now have to turn around and come back" and 'good, no more foreigners coming into the country from today' ..
Talk about not knowing what she was actually voting for! Frightens me to think that such people have influenced all of our futures!!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Speaking to someone the day after we had voted for Brexit. She said and I quote 'Does that mean that all the people who are on their way to holiday now have to turn around and come back" and 'good, no more foreigners coming into the country from today' ..
Talk about not knowing what she was actually voting for! Frightens me to think that such people have influenced all of our futures!!

Anecdotal I know but I was working with someone the other week whose sister-in- law is French and teaches at a London University.Apparently,she was asked recently by a colleague,when she was going home.

 

[Bielzibubz]

But your happy for that person to have the right to vote every 4 years I take it?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

But your happy for that person to have the right to vote every 4 years I take it?

She certainly deserves to vote in local and European elections if she's applied for residency (which I presume she has).French citizens (like my wife) have an automatic vote for life in French Presidential elections wherever they live.That sounds very civilised to me.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Can it REALLY be true? Will July the 6th end the fudge and provide a clear and realistic negotiating path towards Brexit? Will May and her government FINALLY decide which side of the fence they're on???

 

[MK Shrimper]

Danny Dyer speaks the most sense on Brexit.

Cameron = ****. (Rhymes with cat).