48 Hours Max Work Per Week

[SARF]

And have a heart attack and die at 50

:D

i would guess your more likely to have one grafting away in your 60's

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

i would guess your more likely to have one grafting away in your 60's

I dunno mate.....a sudden stop at 45 after masses of stress and a complete routine change is more likely to bring one on than a steady plod to 65

 

[The Big Shrimp]

I cannot see what my employers do about it. Probably nothing as they don't allow breaks or general HSE measures. Most of my colleagues work 50+ hours a week, whereas I do about 45+ hours.

If people are scared of losing their jobs, then they will keep their gobs shut & suffer!

 

[Hotman]

We're talking small business, fair enough. But huge multi-nationals?

And why does everyone have to start a business? How about the people that do the vital jobs that keeps society ticking over? The postman, the binman, the soldier...I could go on. Not everyone wants to be the next Alan Sugar - and these people deserve a decent wage and not have to work 80hrs+ to get it IM lefty HO.

****s sake, this is what is wrong with this country.

You don't deserve to earn more for doing the same work. You do more work, and then deserve more.

The world doesn't owe anybody a living.

 

[Hotman]

actually, to amend the above...

You don't deserve to earn more for doing the same work. You create better results, and then deserve more.

The world doesn't owe anybody a living.

 

[MK Shrimper]

actually, to amend the above...

You don't deserve to earn more for doing the same work. You create better results, and then deserve more.

The world doesn't owe anybody a living.

Create better results? Please! Some people are paid to do a job, to pick up rubbish, to look after the sick and elderly, to maintain the railway lines. How do they, exactly, "create better results"?

And I quite agree, the world doesn't owe anyone a living. I've got no time for the idle who ponce of the state, same as the disregard I give to the useless, idle rich born into wealth.

 

[Hotman]

By working harder.

And as that isn't very descriptive, I shall expand based on your scenarios MK:

- They could pick up more rubbish per hour
- They could make suggestions to their employers
- They could find ways of maintaining more tracks per person (Not an expert on this, but I'm sure that there are KPI's which can be improved upon)
- They could find a different job (free market)

The reason for the change was because I'm a strong believer that more work does not equal better work. If you compare the time I spend doing technical working to others, I'd probably be considered a lazy ****. My contribution to profit, however, is what brings home the bacon

 

[jassyfa1]

I cannot see what my employers do about it. Probably nothing as they don't allow breaks or general HSE measures. Most of my colleagues work 50+ hours a week, whereas I do about 45+ hours.

If people are scared of losing their jobs, then they will keep their gobs shut & suffer!

At my place of work I do up to 48 hours, but I dont get any break although most of my shifts are 12 hours long. As I wok in a care home I get a dinner but it does not count as a break and I have to stop my break if im needed.
Also night shifts only have 1 person on shift and they have to work a 12 hour shift with no break.

 

[OldBlueLady]

By working harder.

I can't work any harder than what I do, however I am constrained by restrictions placed by the Government in achieving a better result. Meantime, I am paid peanuts to do a very emotionally demanding job.

 

[Hotman]

I can't work any harder than what I do, however I am constrained by restrictions placed by the Government in achieving a better result. Meantime, I am paid peanuts to do a very emotionally demanding job.

have now expanded on my initial cutting reply!

 

[MK Shrimper]

By working harder.

And as that isn't very descriptive, I shall expand based on your scenarios MK:

- They could pick up more rubbish per hour
- They could make suggestions to their employers
- They could find ways of maintaining more tracks per person (Not an expert on this, but I'm sure that there are KPI's which can be improved upon)
- They could find a different job (free market)

1) How could that be quantified?
2) Make suggestions? These people who get paid an absolute pittance have to wipe the sh*tty arses of unfortunate people with dementia. What "suggestions" should they make Carl? Buy stronger toilet paper? Or perhaps they should wipe more arses per hour?
3) Bit complex to go into here.
4) Why should they? Especially in the current climate.

 

[Hotman]

1) How could that be quantified?
Metres of road cleaned per hour? Miles / day?

2) Make suggestions? These people who get paid an absolute pittance have to wipe the sh*tty arses of unfortunate people with dementia. What "suggestions" should they make Carl? Buy stronger toilet paper? Or perhaps they should wipe more arses per hour?

If both increase profit / decrease wastage etc, then fantastic ideas MK - you have found your new vocation

3) Bit complex to go into here.

Good, because I don't have any witty answers about trains :)

4) Why should they? Especially in the current climate

To earn a "decent wage"

 

[steveo]

1) How could that be quantified?
2) Make suggestions? These people who get paid an absolute pittance have to wipe the sh*tty arses of unfortunate people with dementia. What "suggestions" should they make Carl? Buy stronger toilet paper? Or perhaps they should wipe more arses per hour?
3) Bit complex to go into here.
4) Why should they? Especially in the current climate.

Good idea MK. If 3 people wipe 5 each per hour, maybe two could wipe more and up thir productivity to 7½ per hour and the third one could be made redundant making more money available for the bosses to fritter on themselves. Wish i had thought of that one.

With regard to rubbish collection, I saw 2 vans with a driver and 2 collectors per van, picking up litter on Southend Road Wickford last Sunday morning. I did wonder why they were doing this on a Sunday, obviously at an increased rate of pay, and presumably costing the council more money.

 

[Irate Ian]

The debate has expanded.

As far as I know the current law in England & Wales is that we are permitted to work up to 70 hours, if we choose to do so. If anyone knows differently please state.

Our opt out of the 48 hour EU law has remained in place since negotiated by John Major 15 years ago. Ireland also have the same opt out agreement.

The change proposed in Brussels will remove ours and Irelands opt out and thus remove our civil liberties to work longer than 48 hours, if we want.

The fundamental issue, IMO is the profound restriction upon our basic Human Right, to work when and how much we all choose to and being dictated to by Manequins and Fraudsters based in Brussels.

You couldn't make it up ?

 

[Lord Football]

I'll help with the trains.

Maintaing more tracks with less people is actually called "cutting corners". And when maintenance cut corners you have things like the Clapham Junction Rail Disaster which was in fact caused by an engineer who had worked 13 days out of 14 and would have been breach of all the Employment legislation we have today. You can take my word for it or you can go and find the actual court ruling.


What you've failed to grasp Carl is that unemployment is going through the roof. Unlike previous high unemployment periods, its not effected the manual skills (ie manufacturing) sector, it is hitting those that provide services, those in retail and those in finance. It's not just a case of "go and get another job". The jobs market is flat and employers hold the cards. They can pay dire wages and get away with it because simply put, people are desperate for work.

Thank Gawd we have the National Minimum Wage.

 

[Lord Football]

The debate has expanded.

As far as I know the current law in England & Wales is that we are permitted to work up to 70 hours, if we choose to do so. If anyone knows differently please state.

Our opt out of the 48 hour EU law has remained in place since negotiated by John Major 15 years ago. Ireland also have the same opt out agreement.

The change proposed in Brussels will remove ours and Irelands opt out and thus remove our civil liberties to work longer than 48 hours, if we want.

The fundamental issue, IMO is the profound restriction upon our basic Human Right, to work when and how much we all choose to and being dictated to by Manequins and Fraudsters based in Brussels.

You couldn't make it up ?

You just did.

Never heard of a 70 hour limit, the maximum is 48 hours (with the opt out) but this actually an average over a 17 week period.

Working hours is not covered by the Human Rights Act and therefore any restriction cannot be a breach of this Act. You could, I suppose, with a clever lawyer claim restraint of trade.

Happy, as always, to clarify.

 

[Irate Ian]

You just did.

Never heard of a 70 hour limit, the maximum is 48 hours (with the opt out) but this actually an average over a 17 week period.

Working hours is not covered by the Human Rights Act and therefore any restriction cannot be a breach of this Act. You could, I suppose, with a clever lawyer claim restraint of trade.

Happy, as always, to clarify.

Well if the BBC program quoted corrrectly that 70 hours is the maximum permitted hours of work, on average over a 3 month period, I suspect they may well be correct.

Just shows you, we can all learn something every day LF.


And if you don't think that being dicatated to by Brussels to work no more than 48 hours, is not a restriction on peoples Civil Liberties and Basic Human Right to work and provide a roof over, feed and clothe your dependents/ family, it is impossible to hold a reasoned debate with you on that subject and I teminate it now.

 

[Lord Football]

I've done a quick check through the Employment Law sites I use, and can find no mention of it.

I'd be intersted to see a link from somewhere because its something I've not heard of, and if it exists, I really should.

 

[Irate Ian]

I've done a quick check through the Employment Law sites I use, and can find no mention of it.

I'd be intersted to see a link from somewhere because its something I've not heard of, and if it exists, I really should.

Maybe look at the opt out provisions John Major negotiated 1993 by doing a google search.

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

Bit hazy on the whole thing, but isn't there a rule that every 7 days you must have 35hrs off, in addition to the 11 hrs between shifts? If so then that'd add up to (I think) 90hrs of off time a week, leaving 78hrs maximum to be worked.