48 Hours Max Work Per Week

Napster · Dec 19, 2008

steveo said:
Having the option of a single 20 year old or a 40 year old married with kids, why would anyone take on the 20 year old when she could become pregnant and clear off for a year whilst her job is held open for her.

I'd go for the one with the biggest

sufcintheprem · Dec 19, 2008

Aberdeen Shrimper said:
I am afraid that it is not quite as easy as that

To be fair, a lot of people recently left work very quickly and I don't think that was their decision. I think it can be done in more subtle ways than you're not good enough, get out. They could point to excessive Internet usage on certian messageboards.....oh

Numphgirl · Dec 19, 2008

Lord Football said:
You can get rid of an employee VERY quickly. I've seen it done in less than a day. A myth of Employment Law is that it favours the employee, it doesn't. Yes, you follow procedures, but those procedures are of the employers making.

Employment Law is not there to favour either party. It is the body of laws, administrative rulings, and precedents which address the legal rights of, and restrictions on, working people i.e employees and their organisations i.e employers.

Some employers may "get rid" of an employee very quickly if they have seriously breached their contract and I feel that is perfectly acceptable and the right thing to do. Others may believe people have been "got rid of" quickly, however in the background there may have been considerable investigations ongoing with the employer on dealing with that individual or group of individuals.

Don't get me wrong, there are bad employers out there that will not follow employment law practises and push people out whenever they wish. Its those employers that I really would want to see punished for treating people like that. Unfortunatley not many employees are aware of their rights.

In my role, I have taken a few hours to dismiss someone and have taken weeks and months due to ongoing investigations to do the same. I assure you its never nice regardless of the circumstance.

Aberdeen Shrimper · Dec 19, 2008

sufcintheprem said:
To be fair, a lot of people recently left work very quickly and I don't think that was their decision. I think it can be done in more subtle ways than you're not good enough, get out. They could point to excessive Internet usage on certian messageboards.....oh

You still have to follow the disciplinary procedure and have investigatory meetings.

This is not the 1970's and you can not just sack someone because you want to

Numphgirl · Dec 19, 2008

Aberdeen Shrimper said:
You still have to follow the disciplinary procedure and have investigatory meetings.

This is not the 1970's and you can not just sack someone because you want to

yes you should follow the disciplinary procedure etc. however if someone is clearly in breach of company policies - including email and internet usage they can be dismissed very quickly.

Aberdeen Shrimper · Dec 19, 2008

Numphgirl said:
yes you should follow the disciplinary procedure etc. however if someone is clearly in breach of company policies - including email and internet usage they can be dismissed very quickly.

But don't you have less rights if you have been working for an employer for less then 2 years or 18 months or something like that??

MK Shrimper · Dec 19, 2008

Numphgirl said:
yes you should follow the disciplinary procedure etc. however if someone is clearly in breach of company policies - including email and internet usage they can be dismissed very quickly.

Right, I'll be off then :D

steveo · Dec 19, 2008

This is not the 1970's and you can not just sack someone because you want to

Which is wrong to me, because they can just leave if they want to.

Lord Football · Dec 19, 2008

Actually you can.

Napster · Dec 19, 2008

Aberdeen Shrimper said:
But don't you have less rights if you have been working for an employer for less then 2 years or 18 months or something like that??

Less than a year. Which reminds me, I've been here a year now.

sufcintheprem · Dec 19, 2008

Aberdeen Shrimper said:
You still have to follow the disciplinary procedure and have investigatory meetings.

This is not the 1970's and you can not just sack someone because you want to

Ok, I'm not suggesting it was straight up, "leave now because you're not good enough" as there would certainly have been some remuneration. All I'm saying is that people have recently left without it being their decision and they were there one day, gone the next.

Aberdeen Shrimper · Dec 19, 2008

Napster said:
Less than a year. Which reminds me, I've been here a year now.

So you can now walk round doing as you please

;)

Aberdeen Shrimper · Dec 19, 2008

steveo said:
Which is wrong to me, because they can just leave if they want to.

But they have to give notice.....my last contract was 1 months notice

Aberdeen Shrimper · Dec 19, 2008

Lord Football said:
Actually you can.

Can what???

steveo · Dec 19, 2008

Lord Football said:
Actually you can.

Not so sure about that one Lord. I usually have to encourage them into wanting to leave or as in the case of one bloke who just couldnt turn up on time, give him the necessary warnings about being late and just wait for him to continue being late before I finally got rid.

He went straight to the job centre who fairly predictably phoned and asked to see the records regarding warnings etc.

Aberdeen Shrimper · Dec 19, 2008

steveo said:
Not so sure about that one Lord. I usually have to encourage them into wanting to leave or as in the case of one bloke who just couldnt turn up on time, give him the necessary warnings about being late and just wait for him to continue being late before I finally got rid.

He went straight to the job centre who fairly predictably phoned and asked to see the records regarding warnings etc.

As Numphgirl said, it has sometimes taken her weeks and months so as you quite rightly say it is not as easy as some folk think

Lord Football · Dec 19, 2008

steveo said:
Not so sure about that one Lord. I usually have to encourage them into wanting to leave or as in the case of one bloke who just couldnt turn up on time, give him the necessary warnings about being late and just wait for him to continue being late before I finally got rid.

He went straight to the job centre who fairly predictably phoned and asked to see the records regarding warnings etc.

So you use the "bully an employee" / "constructive dismissal" line. Very clever as it is a sod to win at a tribunal.

I am surprised the DWP did that, if I am honest. I'd have thought a P45 would be enough and I wouldn't have thought it was their role to check you'd done it properly. I've learned something new today!!

Aberdeen Shrimper · Dec 19, 2008

Lord Football said:
So you use the "bully an employee" / "constructive dismissal" line. Very clever as it is a sod to win at a tribunal.

I am surprised the DWP did that, if I am honest. I'd have thought a P45 would be enough and I wouldn't have thought it was their role to check you'd done it properly. I've learned something new today!!

Must say that has come as a surprise to me about the JC checking your paperwork to see if you have followed the correct procedures.

To be honest, it is all to do with your employer and the contract you have. Most decent employers do follow the correct procedures.