Why does nobody like Freedman?

[OldBlueLady]

Thanks. :)

http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/showthread.php?t=54352

And as to right circumstances, it's about him being able to assess a game and work out the best way for what I'm sure he accepts, are his now limited areas of expertise on the pitch. He still has them, the little intelligent flicks, the drawing off of others, the well placed thru ball. He had been playing really well prior to the Carlisle game, but as with any injury now, he takes longer to recover from things. I'd still far rather have Dougie out there than certain others, he will need to develop some understanding with Patterson and Spencer though and that will come about at the training ground.

 

[GBJ]

Cheers Kay,


Here is the question and answer...

From the floor – was it true that Dougie Freedman and Jimmy Walker had been offered out on loan?

Ron said yes, they were and Tilly would particularly have liked Walker to have gone out for some match experience.


So. I reiterate to all those Freedman lovers, why would Tilly want to get rid of him?

It's either;

A) his ridiculously high wages

B) He's crap

 

[chapperzUK]

Cheers Kay,


Here is the question and answer...

From the floor – was it true that Dougie Freedman and Jimmy Walker had been offered out on loan?

Ron said yes, they were and Tilly would particularly have liked Walker to have gone out for some match experience.


So. I reiterate to all those Freedman lovers, why would Tilly want to get rid of him?

It's either;

A) his ridiculously high wages

B) He's crap

C they want to temporarily cut their wage bill. He is NOT on as much as people thing (as shown in this thread).

 

[tom-tom]

He cant play every game, his got to the point were he can only play 60mins, i think our fittest was bad and made Freedman look good yesterday, here something to ask how good is a fittest Coach??? the teams on top of our League are not top because of the players skill but because of the fittest, they can run 120mins were teams like southend can run only 80mins... yeah a coach wroth 120k a year if he makes us a really top side for fittest and fredman is as he shows the kids how to get goals and that means we can make money from selling them

 

[GBJ]

C they want to temporarily cut their wage bill. He is NOT on as much as people thing (as shown in this thread).

2 things,

1) If he's not on a big wage, then why send HIM out. Surely you'd send out the higher earners, like Revs, McCormack, Mildenhall etc Afterall, what is the point in sending out one of your average earners? Especially one who "oozes class" and "encourages people" and "is great for the youngsters on the training ground" Why not send out O'keefe, Herd, JFC, Grant, who will all be on low to average wages, and have cover in those positions?

2) As RM said, Revs was not sent out due to money reasons, it was because he was not performing. So why would Freedman be any different? And i know you're one of the St.Ron faithfull, so therefore is Ron lying? Or was Freedman offered because he wasn't performing?

 

[The Big Shrimp]

Cheers Kay,


Here is the question and answer...

From the floor – was it true that Dougie Freedman and Jimmy Walker had been offered out on loan?

Ron said yes, they were and Tilly would particularly have liked Walker to have gone out for some match experience.


So. I reiterate to all those Freedman lovers, why would Tilly want to get rid of him?

It's either;

A) his ridiculously high wages

B) He's crap

Answer: A & B!

Answer C is only correct if you think he's on £10K (which he isn't!)

 

[GBJ]

Answer: A & B!

Ding! Ding! Ding! you are correct sir.

How long before the rest realise i wonder?

 

[chapperzUK]

Answer: A & B!

Answer C is only correct if you think he's on £10K (which he isn't!)

If he is on £10k a week the I'd be calling for him to leave! Ricketts was on that when he was here and what did he do?

 

[The Big Shrimp]

If he is on £10k a week the I'd be calling for him to leave! Ricketts was on that when he was here and what did he do?

I was told what he is supposed to be earning & its nowhere near that, but is too much for a club like us!

 

[Medway Blue]

I can't reveal the figure as I wasn't told it, the guy seemed genuinely bemused though when it came up in conversation and said he had no idea where that rumour came from but it's inaccurate. I was told it was no more than £2k. Our highest earner is Adam Barrett (not surprising as the skipper) but he's not on much more than that apparently, the players don't earn quite as much as people think.

£2,000 p/w is what I'd heard. The £3,000 that many people came up with is inaccurate.

Adam Barrett, on the other hand.....

Revell was on more than Freedman, as was Clarke......the pay structure was not broken to bring him in, and he didn't expect it to be.

He still has the brain, but unfortunately the legs have gone. It's the hamstring injury that he got here that's done it, and the rapidity of his deterioration has been shocking. When he first joined, and before he got injured, he was a class act. 4 goals in 9 games I think he got for us.......including a magical goal at Carlisle. THEN, he still had it.

Ever since the injury, he hasn't had it.

 

[OldBlueLady]

£2,000 p/w is what I'd heard. The £3,000 that many people came up with is inaccurate.

Adam Barrett, on the other hand.....

Revell was on more than Freedman, as was Clarke......the pay structure was not broken to bring him in, and he didn't expect it to be.

He still has the brain, but unfortunately the legs have gone. It's the hamstring injury that he got here that's done it, and the rapidity of his deterioration has been shocking. When he first joined, and before he got injured, he was a class act. 4 goals in 9 games I think he got for us.......including a magical goal at Carlisle. THEN, he still had it.

Ever since the injury, he hasn't had it.

Exactly, and a runaway Player of the Month award in his first full month.

 

[chapperzUK]

£2,000 p/w is what I'd heard. The £3,000 that many people came up with is inaccurate.

Adam Barrett, on the other hand.....

Revell was on more than Freedman, as was Clarke......the pay structure was not broken to bring him in, and he didn't expect it to be.

He still has the brain, but unfortunately the legs have gone. It's the hamstring injury that he got here that's done it, and the rapidity of his deterioration has been shocking. When he first joined, and before he got injured, he was a class act. 4 goals in 9 games I think he got for us.......including a magical goal at Carlisle. THEN, he still had it.

Ever since the injury, he hasn't had it.

I think he got 4 goals in 5 games before he got injured in that game against Orient and he never regained that form. Form is temporary, Class is permanent but when your legs have gone then thats it!

 

[DTS]

His legs have gone, it looks like we have got a coma vicitm on the pitch half the time the way he drags his lifeless body around, he spends most of his time moaning at the others, he rarely scores, he is meant to be on more than most of the other players despite being a bit part player, he spends half the time injured....must I go on....

 

[Kris]

I think we can all agree that Freedman's legs have gone but I still think some of the animosity towards him on here is staggering.

He was a class act when he signed and he and Barney were destroying defences. What's happened since is simply bad luck. It's not his fault he got injured and I would argue that he's largely sacrificed the remainder of his career for the team considering how many times he's returned ahead of schedule to do Tilly a favour - Bristol Rovers last season for example - doing his body more harm in the process. That's something that should be applauded, not castigated.

Ultimately it's a signing that looked great at the time - and initially was - that hasn't worked out. These things happen unfortunately.

 

[RettendonCB]

he isnt crap, I sometimes think to be liked as a player here all you have to do is run around slide and make yourself look like your doing a lot. nobody else but him and Francis and Macca can pass a ball? thats clear to see! of course he isnt going to run around launch into tackles, he has never done that. I think people are jealous of him because of his wages and he doesnt give off an air of a headless chicken.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

He was definately a great player, unfortunately, he is now ready for the knackers yard.

 

[watchtheballboys]

Dougie.....

Tilly was asked by Ron what he thought of Dougie for Southend and the answer was 'was a good player but injury prone and past his best not for us'. Result Ron went out and signed him!

An example of Ron meddling in the playing side!

Yes Dougie did really well for the first few games but the injuries last season have made him a shadow of what he was. The speed has gone and I think his appetite for the game too.

Not sure how long he has on his contract but his experience could be useful possibly in a position just behind the strikers or striker as it appears to be at the moment, just forward of the midfield.

So if Tilly wants to persist with the five in midfield I would have Macca, Christophe, in the middle with Freedman slight forward of the two and the Mousse of last season out wide one side and Damian the other. Grant would move back to defence.

The problem is it is not the time to experiment with this and the sooner we go back to the 4:4:2 formation the better!

 

[GBJ]

he isnt crap, I sometimes think to be liked as a player here all you have to do is run around slide and make yourself look like your doing a lot. nobody else but him and Francis and Macca can pass a ball? thats clear to see! of course he isnt going to run around launch into tackles, he has never done that. I think people are jealous of him because of his wages and he doesnt give off an air of a headless chicken.

Why did Tilly want to loan him out then?

 

[smudgster]

At a time when we have so many young players and a paper thin squad, Dougie should really be putting his head above the parapit and help lead the team through its troubles.

Going by his body language etc when he does come on he just doesent seem interested.

For an experinced striker like him i can forgive him not getting as many goals as he should. But he doesent seem to hold the ball up very well and keeps losing possesion very cheaply.

 

[Tilson_Blues]

i lobve freedman and always think he makes the differnce people who know football know this just some people dont look beyond the goals look how are suporters got rid of paynter hooper ect we dont like people unless they a eastwood or barnard