Why does nobody like Freedman?

[chapperzUK]

Chapperz. His body language gives away what he's going on about not hearing him. Most of the time it ends up with a petulant throwing of the arms or a pointing out of something vaguely improbable.

I'm sorry but there's a huge difference in the encouragement offered by Shaun Goater when he was here to all around him & the sort of stuff I see from Freedman & I do watch this very closely.

The great thing is that the Goat knew it was time for him to go, despite Tilly's efforts to keep him, & will always be remembered in a positive way. Freedman should have taken the same route & then would be thought of reasonably, but I'm sorry he simply has undone what good he did last season (& personally I don't rate his as highly as others) by overstaying his useful life as a footballer.

I think that Freedman still believes in his mind that he can carry on. Whether he can or not is up to the management and Dougie. Also, you have to remember that he played a full 90 minutes in the reserves in mid-week.

 

[Hooly]

Non-playing staff are usually on less than playing staff. If we offered him a coaching job at the end of the season then he will be on less wages (if he rejects and decides to get a coaching job at Palace then he will be off the wage budget).

That's what I mean chapperz. Some people are saying "just accept him as a coach" & ignore the lack of football he's getting, but we can't afford to employ him at (let's just say for argument's sake) most of what we pay Tilly & Brush together.

He is basically non-playing staff at the moment & there's no way we would bring in a coach on what he's on & also we're already paying Brushy for that job so how can we afford that?

 

[chapperzUK]

That's what I mean chapperz. Some people are saying "just accept him as a coach" & ignore the lack of football he's getting, but we can't afford to employ him at (let's just say for argument's sake) most of what we pay Tilly & Brush together.

He is basically non-playing staff at the moment & there's no way we would bring in a coach on what he's on & also we're already paying Brushy for that job so how can we afford that?

It is a dilemma. Freedman is a player who has been there and done it and with his experience, our younger players can really progress, but it would be something that we can not afford.

 

[Hooly]

I think that Freedman still believes in his mind that he can carry on. Whether he can or not is up to the management and Dougie. Also, you have to remember that he played a full 90 minutes in the reserves in mid-week.

1) Nope that decision is not his but Tilly's. If all he's worth is 15 mins a game at £2k (or whatever) a week then we are in deeper pooh that we all think.
2) Whoopie fecking doo! 90 mins in the reserves. Well worth £2k (or whatever). I'm glad I'm not the company accountant trying to rationalise that!

If we were a club lush with funds then maybe, just maybe, you could defend Freedman's worth but we've not got a pot to **** in! The game at the moment is simply about survival off the pitch more than on it & having a leak of money is something we can't afford.

 

[GBJ]

It is a dilemma. Freedman is a player who has been there and done it and with his experience, our younger players can really progress, but it would be something that we can not afford.

As i said, why would Tilly wanna loan him out then?

 

[chapperzUK]

1) Nope that decision is not his but Tilly's. If all he's worth is 15 mins a game at £2k (or whatever) a week then we are in deeper pooh that we all think.
2) Whoopie fecking doo! 90 mins in the reserves. Well worth £2k (or whatever). I'm glad I'm not the company accountant trying to rationalise that!

If we were a club lush with funds then maybe, just maybe, you could defend Freedman's worth but we've not got a pot to **** in! The game at the moment is simply about survival off the pitch more than on it & having a leak of money is something we can't afford.

1) I meant that they will discuss it.
2) I meant that if you play 90 minutes in reserves then you can hardly play much in the following match.

I don't think that Freedman is worth £2k a week but what other choice do we have. Play him, cancel his contract (means paying him off) or not playing him at all.

 

[bilbyboy]

No, I don't agree, still think his football brain is a massive asset on the bench. He CAN come on and exploit other team's weaknesses but it has to be in the right circumstances.

So how do we create the right circumstances just for Freedman? Sorry, but adds nothing on the pitch, and that is my point. What he offers off the pitch can be utilised, but on the pitch he is a liability. UTB.

 

[The Big Shrimp]

But Rich we can't pay our players regularly so how can we afford another body on the coaching staff? I would imagine that Dougie (as a player) would be on more than Tilly & Brush so who goes to accommodate him? We simply don't have the funds for another non-playing role at the club & this is my gripe with those who keep on with this "great off the pitch" mantra. He's sodding paid to be "great on the pitch" & if he can't then using him in a coaching capacity means to me that someone has to make way. Then we can release his wages from the playing budget & use it for a couple of younger players.

As a bean-counter it's just a case of balancing what little we have & a non-playing player-coach is a luxury we simply don't seem to have the space for.

I know, but I think this is all part of the bigger plan. Maybe RM will sack Tilly one day & replace him with Dougie. This is not as silly as it sounds. RM has lost a lot of faith from the fans, so sacking Tilly won't worry him too much!

 

[chapperzUK]

Freedman is a lazy **** out on the pitch. He's far too casual, there's no urgency about him, except yesterday when he's trying to take quick freekicks, despite non of our players being forward.

You can't compare Freddy boy to the lazy Scot in any way. Fred can do things that are amazing. All Freedman can do is a little flick here and there on an incredibly obvious shimmy.

If Freedman is not a headerer of the ball etc, then please explain, why the ****, at goal kicks he calls for it??? Why call it if he's not a winner of headers? He doesn't even try and win a header, he doesn't even jump. That is pure laziness in my book.

Freedman was totally ineffective yesterday and has been nearly every time i've seen him over the past year. Quite simple really.

Walker is crap, Freedman is crap. Revs might not have been the best talented, but he worked his nuts off, and that is something i'd never criticise. If Freedman could give half of what Revs did workwise, i'd be happy.

You seem to like Freedman, and are keen to defend him, along with other people on here. But can you answer my very simple question; If Sir Dougie is THAT good, why did Tilly try and loan him out? I mean, why on earth, would you want to get rid of someone who is such a key man to the development of the young strikers and capable of coming on a changing a game with his defence splitting passes etc etc. What magical excuses can you come up with for that?

IIRC Freddy was pretty lazy aswell and he wasn't an ageing 35 year old. I haven't seen him call for headers so I can't comment at the moment. Do you have proof that he wanted to loan him out or is this yet another rumour?

 

[GBJ]

I know, but I think this is all part of the bigger plan. Maybe RM will sack Tilly one day & replace him with Dougie. This is not as silly as it sounds. RM has lost a lot of faith from the fans, so sacking Tilly won't worry him too much!

Interestingly, you're not the first to say that.

 

[GBJ]

IIRC Freddy was pretty lazy aswell and he wasn't an ageing 35 year old. I haven't seen him call for headers so I can't comment at the moment. Do you have proof that he wanted to loan him out or is this yet another rumour?

Tilly said it at the AGM.

Fred was a lazy ****, granted, but Fred was also capable of putting on a dazzling show. Freedman is not

 

[The Big Shrimp]

Interestingly, you're not the first to say that.

Dougie is RM's signing, not Tilly's. Tilly did not want him here earning what he does!

 

[Firestorm]

I have no doubt that he is a good influence on the training field and probably worth having on the bench as one of the seven subs, however I did feel that once on the pitch he was below par, two occasions when the ball pinged across the box he was back on his heels and not particularly prepared to "pounce2 on a half chance.
also he seemed to spend a time "coaching" other players whilst having his back to play and seemingly letting the game go on around him.

No doubt that helps everyone in a training or reserve game enviroment but with 10 minutes to go in a home fixture we should be winning I honestly think that the fresh legs a sub is meant to bring is more usefull chasing down, hassling tired opposition defenders and trying to create a breakthrough.

 

[GBJ]

Dougie is RM's signing, not Tilly's. Tilly did not want him here earning what he does!

I know this already mate

 

[chapperzUK]

Dougie is RM's signing, not Tilly's. Tilly did not want him here earning what he does!

Interesting .... Also I don't go to the AGMs so I really don't know what happens there. Although if someone wants to PM me the final accounts then that might help ;)

 

[GBJ]

Interesting .... Also I don't go to the AGMs so I really don't know what happens there. Although if someone wants to PM me the final accounts then that might help ;)

The entire AGM was posted up here by OBL i think? A quick search should reveal it

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

As I said on another thread, it's time for a clear out. Walker, Scannell, Sankofa and Freedman can all go, with Freedman and Walker being the biggest waste of good money.
If we are going to carry on with a tiny squad, then every one has to be accounted for and do their very best when called upon. We have too many forwards that can't do a job in the first team and can't change a game when coming on as a sub.

 

[loz]

As i said, why would Tilly wanna loan him out then?

because it was when we were desperately short on cash and trying to loan players out to cut the wage bill?

 

[chapperzUK]

The entire AGM was posted up here by OBL i think? A quick search should reveal it

Thanks. :)

 

[GBJ]

because it was when we were desperately short on cash and trying to loan players out to cut the wage bill?

But Freedman was on low wages right? Like you said.

If they were that low or even average wages, you wouldn't worry about him, you'd worry about those who are on big wages, hence why Revs was framed out. Walker was farmed out 'cos he was *****. Now what catergory does Sir Dougie fall into?