Transfer Embargo, Winding Up Petition & Staff Salary Issues

[BoyWonder2]

all great in theory, but in practice none of the above mentioned are under an embargo..... that's where the whole plan comes crashing down.

Does it matter they aren’t under an embargo? The fact still remains that Liverpool & United are two of the biggest Clubs in our country, and they had to sell players to other Clubs.

We replaced a lot of players over the summer, and as things stand, we don’t need to “replace” anyone.

Our three starting centre halves have all been watched by EFL scouts on more than one occasion. Whether bids follow, who knows. Lopata is the more “irreplaceable” in terms of his leadership, but we do have Lomas & Ralph, when fully fit, waiting in the wings.

As and when embargoes are cleared, we have a huge list of potential replacements for any of our players, as a well run football department should have, and ours are exceptional.

 

[Pak66]

Personally I am fed with Mr Martin full stop. If only we could get rid of him!
I am also disappointed in the small Shrimpers Trust crew who only gvie us fully paid up life members snippets of information with regards to Mr Martin and his affairs within our once great club. We are either a supporters club that holds The Board and particularly the chairman to account without prejudice or favour, or alternatively a committee who Ron Martin has in his pocket and unfortunately dance to his tune.

 

[Special Blue]

Does it matter they aren’t under an embargo? The fact still remains that Liverpool & United are two of the biggest Clubs in our country, and they had to sell players to other Clubs.

We replaced a lot of players over the summer, and as things stand, we don’t need to “replace” anyone.

Our three starting centre halves have all been watched by EFL scouts on more than one occasion. Whether bids follow, who knows. Lopata is the more “irreplaceable” in terms of his leadership, but we do have Lomas & Ralph, when fully fit, waiting in the wings.

As and when embargoes are cleared, we have a huge list of potential replacements for any of our players, as a well run football department should have, and ours are exceptional.

So if Col u come in for Hobbo and offered a paltry sum? We'll take it because He's replaceable? He would be in a lot worse situation and so would we.

 

[Shrimper]

If players have to be sold to get us through, then we need to accept that as a "small" club, but I'm a lot more confident we could bring in replacements that will be up to snuff given the good/bad signing ratio by the management team now.

Will be a wrench to lose anyone, but I imagine there are plenty on radars of bigger clubs. But you take someone like Lopata, Miley or Powell out of the team, we are considerably weaker.

Of all of the players, would be pretty deflating to lose Lopata obviously - the boost he has given everyone has been the platform to get this run going and the opposite could be true if he left so soon.

Anyone else, we'd have to cope with and hope we can pick up another gem from the lower leagues for a fraction.

I dont mind too much being a selling model club at the moment, I've always admired clubs that have done it (Posh, Brighton, Brentford) so cant complain if we follow that model.

We don't have the players to sell to pay off £1.4m

This being Ron we will sell players off but not replace them

 

[Texas Eslan]

Bottom line is I couldn’t give a toss what Ron deserves or doesn’t deserve at the end of all this. He has stripped our club down to the point where all it now owns is the club name and even that is constantly being devalued by his inability to pay people when they are due. He is a disgrace to Southend United and not a fit and proper owner for any business let alone OUR club.

 

[BoyWonder2]

So if Col u come in for Hobbo and offered a paltry sum? We'll take it because He's replaceable? He would be in a lot worse situation and so would we.

Every player we have is replaceable.

Why would it be a paltry sum? Every player we have has a fee that we would sell for, so does Notts County, so does Wrexham, so does Luton, so does Man City and so on.

Once we accept a bid from another Club, it’s down to that individual to agree terms with the buying Club. It would be up to him if he thought they would be in a worse situation or not.

 

[KiwiRob]

Every player we have is replaceable.

Why would it be a paltry sum? Every player we have has a fee that we would sell for, so does Notts County, so does Wrexham, so does Luton, so does Man City and so on.

Once we accept a bid from another Club, it’s down to that individual to agree terms with the buying Club. It would be up to him if he thought they would be in a worse situation or not.

I am not sure Colchester or many other League 2 clubs would be in a position to meet Southend's asking price for Hobson.

 

[rigsby]

Bottom line is I couldn’t give a toss what Ron deserves or doesn’t deserve at the end of all this. He has stripped our club down to the point where all it now owns is the club name and even that is constantly being devalued by his inability to pay people when they are due. He is a disgrace to Southend United and not a fit and proper owner for any business let alone OUR club.

What assets has Ron stripped ? I often hear it but no one seems to be able to explain it to me.

 

[Kat_r]

Bottom line is I couldn’t give a toss what Ron deserves or doesn’t deserve at the end of all this. He has stripped our club down to the point where all it now owns is the club name and even that is constantly being devalued by his inability to pay people when they are due. He is a disgrace to Southend United and not a fit and proper owner for any business let alone OUR club.

It’s our club. But this is usually only in a propaganda sense to quieten people down. It really isn’t our club at all given all the nonsense that’s gone on and fans are powerless to stop it.
Shame on the lot of them who want to be involved in this circus

 

[stewart]

Hey Everyone.

Last week, Ron, Tom, Kev, Darren, Benno, John and I met at Roots Hall.

A 2 hour meeting to go through several agenda items on and off the pitch that affect or could affect the Football Department.

Ron, as ultimate owner of Southend United set out the position on all of the raised issues, and specific questions we ( everyone freely asked questions in a cordial but business like atmosphere) all had regarding staff, morale and potential solutions.

My commitment to transparency, integrity and honesty is clear, unambiguous and I'm sure would be confirmed by the Shrimpers Trust, staff and Football Department. However it is not in my remit, nor ever was and certainly wasn't suggested ( in my zoom calls with you guys), that I would be the conduit to give Southend United privileged business information. That is the job of the CEO via the owner, and is normal business practice.

The same people who are critical of me on this forum for "being quiet", are exactly the same people who criticised when I gave them "too much running commentary". But my transparency and honesty specifically related to what the Football Department do, act upon and execute, along with commercial, media and Supporter initiatives. Why haven't you seen me pop up in meetings or video clips? Because the Football Department is doing rather than talking, and that Football Department is not only a resounding success in one year, but a resounding success despite of the situation the club has found itself in.

My role nor remit at Southend United involves privileged financial information.

You should be incredibly proud of the way that the Football Department and general staff conduct themselves,bthe Football Department in particular is fully functional, respected ( kind words last night from Luke Williams towards our Football Department in the manager's room post match ) and can discharge everything that we need to discharge when the light turns green.

Ron owns the club and there are ongoing issues, this is known and the staff at the club every day along with the Football Department are a credit to our club. Without these people, my genuine opinion is that the club would be in National League South which compounded by long term issues would be a very difficult place to come back from. Our position on the pitch now gives us a fighters chance on and off the pitch to get things right and on your behalf that is constantly messaged to those who make decisions.

Until we are fully staffed, until long standing issues are resolved , which we all hope will be very soon, then none of us will be truly happy, none of us.

But sledging anyone working their absolute tails off for our club is not ok, not cool and uncalled for.

The club, your club has very clever and long in the tooth football adults in the building,and what you've seen on the pitch can't happen without the support the Football Department and general staff give each other.

We all need your support, and trust me we are supporting you in ways that I know you all would be very proud of.

Keep calm, trust the Football Department, General Staff and Tom.

Stan

Stan im a long way away here in the Philippines ,I read every match day thread ,and am surprised how wel the club is now doing under such enormous pressure ,Im sure barring a couple of people that everyone of the supporters is behind you and the team and backroom staff, you all and that includes the boot cleaner laundry and tea lady done each and every one of us proud ,Please ignore those who cannot understand the trials etc that you all are being put through. In you ,TL Kev and co we trust. You all are working wonders in such trying times ,we see it on the pitch . Thankyou all for doing things above and beyond your call of duty.

 

[stewart]

As Boy wonder has said we do have ready made replacements in Lomas and Ralph and i do trust what he says in having a list of potential targets. As for letting players go for paltry sums i like to think Kev and co and TL are not that silly ,they will have put values on these players that are being watched by other clubs and im sure when the time comes will also ask said players how they feel about moving up the chain. Got to say Southend got more from the DALBY transfer than i ever thought they would .

 

[E for B and Billy Best]

At least the local media are going to finally expose him front page etc etc etc bbc Essex … oops only joking could you imagine it

They've not got the brains or the cajones to do it. The limit of Echo reporting is a new takeaway opening or 5 favourite pubs that have closed down.

 

[tommy tucker]

It’s not just a model, it’s a fact of life.

We are a small club in the grand scheme of things, and we are non-league. Forget all the off the field stuff for a moment, but if a EFL club came knocking, offering more money, you’d be mad to say no.

Obviously you’d have to factor in relocating, families, school life for kids, wife’s work etc etc but if someone offered us double our wages to go to a “better” job, you’d snap their arms off.

95% of sides are “selling” clubs. Liverpool lost Mane to Bayern, United lost Ronaldo (first time around) to Real Madrid, so little old Southend will lose players.

We just have to get behind the ones on the pitch, and enjoy them whilst we have them.

We should count ourselves lucky we have players other teams want. We haven’t for about 3/4 years.

Again i say while we are in a playoff push .It would be madness to sell players for cash If by the way we dont make them then in the sunmmer will be another matter .

 

[Mr Browns Ghost]

So we have slashed the wage bill over the last 2-3 seasons and while there has been a drop in revenue due to the loss of our EFL status, crowds have remained fairly constant. There has also been nothing spent on keeping RH is any sort of operating condition, just the bare minimum to satisfy H&S certificates.

Despite this we are still unable to pay monies due to HMRC to the tune of £1m+, these accounts need submitting urgently so that the transparancy is restored and we can see why.

This ….. it’s almost as if money made by revenues or provided by others I’m the game in regard to running the club are being used for other things that are not necessarily in the best interest of the football club….

You know I always find it funny how out funds are used to pay Ron martini consultancy costs in regard to building a new stadium that will then not be ours … that’s almost like paying to have your house built then paying rent on it

 

[Mr Browns Ghost]

But it’s on an issue he said from the start, was outside of his remit.

The majority of us will appreciate his update, I did, but some will use it to add more fire to the fuel and start questioning more.

You wouldn’t ask the plumber about your faulty car.

But you would if your plumbers opening line was he knew everything about cars too and he would do his best to sell your car to many willing buyers, then a month later you also ask him (as he’s descaling your shower heads) how he’s getting on in regards to selling the car … and he just shrugs and says lady I’m just the plumber ..

 

[Mr Browns Ghost]

@stan collymore that isn’t a dig at all, I honestly think you are the best thing that has happened to us in years and years .. well since the last time you popped up in an elonex shirt. I just simply hate hate hate the chairman wi the a passion, and that emotion sometimes comes across as hatred for all things Southend

 

[rigsby]

But you would if your plumbers opening line was he knew everything about cars too and he would do his best to sell your car to many willing buyers, then a month later you also ask him (as he’s descaling your shower heads) how he’s getting on in regards to selling the car … and he just shrugs and says lady I’m just the plumber ..

A reckon the answer is to man up. After all is not hard to descale a shower head and learn about cars if you own one. Then the plumber won't mug you off and talk to you like a dippy bird.

 

[Barry.C]

What assets has Ron stripped ? I often hear it but no one seems to be able to explain it to me.

I often hear it too and as a shareholder I would quite like to see some accounts, which silly me, I believe I should be entitled to, and this would help address issues and offer some clarity

Unfortunately I havent been provided with any accounts for 3 years, this creates as sense of obfuscation, so hardly surprising much can be explained to you

I hear a lot about how much Ron puts in and can see it in action, I hear less about how much Ron takes out, or is charged against the club, and precisely what this is for or how it works, A simple profit and loss update would be timely

I doubt I will ever get to be able to clarify this aspect to inform you unless I could access all the invoices

 

[palexander]

It’s not just a model, it’s a fact of life.

We are a small club in the grand scheme of things, and we are non-league. Forget all the off the field stuff for a moment, but if a EFL club came knocking, offering more money, you’d be mad to say no.

Obviously you’d have to factor in relocating, families, school life for kids, wife’s work etc etc but if someone offered us double our wages to go to a “better” job, you’d snap their arms off.

95% of sides are “selling” clubs. Liverpool lost Mane to Bayern, United lost Ronaldo (first time around) to Real Madrid, so little old Southend will lose players.

We just have to get behind the ones on the pitch, and enjoy them whilst we have them.

We should count ourselves lucky we have players other teams want. We haven’t for about 3/4 years.

Yep. Not sure I’m reading your tone right, but I absolutely agree with you. I wasn’t being negative about it?

 

[Dubai]

I often hear it too and as a shareholder I would quite like to see some accounts, which silly me, I believe I should be entitled to, and this would help address issues and offer some clarity

Unfortunately I havent been provided with any accounts for 3 years, this creates as sense of obfuscation, so hardly surprising much can be explained to you

I hear a lot about how much Ron puts in and can see it in action, I hear less about how much Ron takes out, or is charged against the club, and precisely what this is for or how it works, A simple profit and loss update would be timely

I doubt I will ever get to be able to clarify this aspect to inform you unless I could access all the invoices

You are not entitled to accounts as a “shareholder” that bought those pointless shares that were flogged years ago. They didn’t come with voting rights or any other rights.