Transfer Embargo, Winding Up Petition & Staff Salary Issues

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

'Means F all if there not being paid though doesn’t it.' (Moley) MMmmm very dubious assumption I think. Unless your HP?? is more factual.

Here we go, Lol. A lot of posters like to know what's going on behind the scenes. Stuff the club won't tell you about. But then we get stick for letting you know. There's a lot of stuff I don't post. In this case, players not being paid is very relevant to backroom staff or anyone else not being paid. It's relevant to the cash flow crisis at the club, right now. Maybe I should just keep quiet?

 

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Here we go, Lol. A lot of posters like to know what's going on behind the scenes. Stuff the club won't tell you about. But then we get stick for letting you know.

I am not having a go or giving you stick. Just questioning the validity of the statement. I think the statement 'Means F all if there not being paid though doesn’t it.' (@Moley) is extremely sardonic and without substance. Also I do not see that 'in the know' themselves said this. It is by someone else on ITK's thread. No need to be so prickly. Some of us actually appreciate the updates and post from people like ITK. They are far more believable than the post you have alluded to.

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[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

I am not having a go or giving you stick. Just questioning the validity of the statement. I think the statement 'Means F all if there not being paid though doesn’t it.' (@Moley) is extremely sardonic and without substance. Also I do not see that 'in the know' themselves said this. It is by someone else on ITK's thread. No need to be so prickly. Some of us actually appreciate the updates and post from people like ITK. They are far more believable than the post you have alluded to.

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I told you the thread he said it on(Meeting with Stan), I told you the page(Page 3) I told you the number(#53). I don't know what you're looking at? So to help, here is copy and pasted what 'in the know' said from the post I gave, that you said he didn't say, and it's not by somebody else.

Or some players. Without the help of some players (including one or two who played today) agreeing to not be paid, there was not enough to pay today's match staff to put the game on. So a small number of players also have not been paid which may cause further problems. It also does not help team morale in advance of a game. Ron's promises rarely come to fruition so I wouldn't expect things will be paid that soon.
The new training facilities were originally due to be usable this week but delays have meant this is all set back for potentially 1,2 or more months. similarly the release of funds are delayed and how the cash flow goes from here is anyone's guess. Wonder how a ron Martin bridging loan works in the real world
what a thankless task it must be choosing which firms and people get paid with the small amounts made available. The list of firms awaiting payment is growing and many are losing patience.
These are worrying times.

 

[Gustafferson]

There is one thing I believe all on here could do, given the passion for the club:


It has been reported that the PM might be planning on going back on her own party's previous ideas for an independent football regulator. God knows why. Perhaps articles like that of Karren Brady (worth £85mil, and recipient of PL size budgets) in the S*n, suggests an answer. That - as usual - people with the most are leaning on govt to limit change that benefits the rest of us. In this case the loyal supporters of a club who are at the mercy of the club owner, and pitiful financial aid from the biggest revenue generator in sports, the PL.

What we could do, is petition our local politicians/candidates to implement this regulator and the subsequent 'fit and proper' checks on owners. This will tilt the scales back in our favour and to my mind, expedite change of ownership.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

My recollection was that the target dates for completion of the training ground and the start of the stadium quoted Autumn for the start of the stadium and winter for the completion of the training ground. It gives the contractors some wiggle room. Autumn runs until the end of November and winter is December to the end of February. Whether these will be met is anyone's guess.

 

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I told you the thread he said it on(Meeting with Stan), I told you the page(Page 3) I told you the number(#53). I don't know what you're looking at? So to help, here is copy and pasted what 'in the know' said from the post I gave, that you said he didn't say, and it's not by somebody else.

Or some players. Without the help of some players (including one or two who played today) agreeing to not be paid, there was not enough to pay today's match staff to put the game on. So a small number of players also have not been paid which may cause further problems. It also does not help team morale in advance of a game. Ron's promises rarely come to fruition so I wouldn't expect things will be paid that soon.
The new training facilities were originally due to be usable this week but delays have meant this is all set back for potentially 1,2 or more months. similarly the release of funds are delayed and how the cash flow goes from here is anyone's guess. Wonder how a ron Martin bridging loan works in the real world
what a thankless task it must be choosing which firms and people get paid with the small amounts made available. The list of firms awaiting payment is growing and many are losing patience.
These are worrying times.

Thank you for pointing out an error I have made. I reviewed page 3 number #53 on this thread. So I apologise for part of my post. If you are an 'In the knower' please keep posting but ensure that there is no mystery around the facts for old duffers like myself.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

Actually just double checked the training ground target dates. It was due for completion in the autumn, it now says winter but it seems it might have been the contractor who hoped to have it done by October. To me this would mean 31st October. Having just had building work done completion times seem very elastic.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

There is one thing I believe all on here could do, given the passion for the club, and if you don't mind it might get political. View attachment 22344

It has been reported that our latest PM, is going back on her own party's ideas for an independent football regulator. God knows why, but then making sense of any of this chancers decisions of late is difficult. Perhaps articles like that of Karren Brady (worth £85mil, and recipient of PL size budgets) in the S*n, suggests an answer. That - as usual - people with the most are leaning on govt to limit change that benefits the rest of us. In this case the loyal supporters of a club who are at the mercy of a corrupt owner, and pitiful financial aid from the biggest revenue generator in sports, the PL.

What we could do, is create change at the ballot box and motivate politicians to implement this regulator and the subsequent 'fit and proper' checks on owners. This will tilt the scales back in our favour and to my mind, expedite change of ownership.

However, you may of course feel that local politicians like Mark Francois have our interests at heart. If that is the case, good luck to you.

Highlighting the political - football-related - issue, particularly when underpinned with whatever real evidence (not purely journalistic articles which is not in and of itself evidence no matter where it is printed, but that’s an unrelated aside) is absolutely fine. Going on to advocate voting for a political party (or conversely not for a particular party) is nakedly political and is not the only way (and further it might make no difference whatsoever) to resolve the football-related issue highlighted.

As such I’ll edit your post down to draw attention to the issue and remove the naked party politics - in line with our published site rules.

 

[Gustafferson]

Highlighting the political - football-related - issue, particularly when underpinned with whatever real evidence (not purely journalistic articles which is not in and of itself evidence no matter where it is printed, but that’s an unrelated aside) is absolutely fine. Going on to advocate voting for a political party (or conversely not for a particular party) is nakedly political and is not the only way (and further it might make no difference whatsoever) to resolve the football-related issue highlighted.

As such I’ll edit your post down to draw attention to the issue and remove the naked party politics - in line with our published site rules.

Fair enough, advantage played!

 

[Streaky]

Maybe PG Site Services are back ??

 

[Smiffy]

Ten minutes scrolling through this thread and the meeting thread is wholly depressing.

Look at what this absolute **** has done to our fanbase. We are about as divided and apathetic as it’s ever been.

Divide and Conquer. Ron wins again…

We need Unity against the one causing division.

Until we are all on the same page, we are screwed.

 

[JAL]

Maybe PG Site Services are back ??

Hmmm such a mystery, I wonder what happened in the space of that 12-18 hours after the post.

 

[hlane17]

Ten minutes scrolling through this thread and the meeting thread is wholly depressing.

Look at what this absolute **** has done to our fanbase. We are about as divided and apathetic as it’s ever been.

Divide and Conquer. Ron wins again…

We need Unity against the one causing division.

Until we are all on the same page, we are screwed.

Three key principles to achieve the end goal of SUFC finding itself in safe hands.

1. The current 'regime' must wobble/falter. We have had that in the unpaid staff, and the new embargo. If we cannot capitalise this time round, no doubt RM will give us another chance. This part I'm not worried about.
2. We need a group to take the lead, and a consensus must be reached to bring all concerned stakeholders together. All tools of change (protest, petition, boycott, meetings etc. just examples, not suggesting them) must be discussed and agreed/disagreed on.
3. A viable alternative 'regime' is willing/waiting to step in.

Too often have we found ourselves in a situation where we only tick one box, that being point 1.

Point 2 is a very difficult one as you rightly point out, but this seriously needs to happen sooner rather than later. We've had moments of consensus in the past, but yesterday's absolute failure of a protest shows the magnitude of the task required to bring the fans back together. Finding common ground is not easy, but it might be achievable through fan polling etc. I'd assist with such a project if needed.

Point 3 is totally out of our hands currently and may even eventually be locked behind NDAs. We can only wait until any prospective owner publicly applies large amounts of pressure on the club and the current ownership.

My opinion is that unless all three of these points are fulfilled, we won't get anywhere close to changing this club's culture and reputation for good. Yes we've made leaps on the pitch but that's only one part of a bigger puzzle that is SUFC as an organisation.

 

[Sammy Shrimper]

Hmmm such a mystery, I wonder what happened in the space of that 12-18 hours after the post.

Perhaps sobered up ? Someone earlier posted PG had been on a “corporate day” Friday.

 

[JAL]

Perhaps sobered up ? Someone earlier posted PG had been on a “corporate day” Friday.

I saw that too, not a very good look if that was the case, can't see SUFC being very happy if that was actually the case

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Hmmm such a mystery, I wonder what happened in the space of that 12-18 hours after the post.

I posted this on here before the game at 1.29pm......

A wee birdie(No, not the Scottish legendary ex manager of Southend)told me the club have been in contact with the sponsors. What was said, he doesn't know and wouldn't of told me anyway if he knew. I did ask, Lol. Hopefully they have explained the situation and come to an agreement. On going situation. P.G. seem quite a serious no nonsense firm, so we shall see how this plays out.

 

[Kat_r]

Co-incidentally his "opinion" deflects attention away from the Chairman though (which is I imagine why he was brought in).

Imo they are all adults so

Ten minutes scrolling through this thread and the meeting thread is wholly depressing.

Look at what this absolute **** has done to our fanbase. We are about as divided and apathetic as it’s ever been.

Divide and Conquer. Ron wins again…

We need Unity against the one causing division.

Until we are all on the same page, we are screwed.

agreed. But it’s the fact we need a page. What’s the fan response? There’s many opinions on this to it’s an outrage to ah it’s Ron. Sadly can’t force all people to think the same.
I’m very very uncomfortable that people aren’t being paid. I’m not sure I want to support the club anymore knowing this information. Not out of anger but I don’t feel it’s appropriate given what I know to encourage this circus.

 

[brigg blue]

On going situation. P.G. seem quite a serious no nonsense firm, so we shall see how this plays out.

I'd disagree, Facebook isn't the place to make big announcements, particularly after a day of drinking.

Seems very amateur and unprofessional, still money is money and as long as they pay who cares

 

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Anyone on here in the legal profession know if it can be got through anything in here.

file:///C:/Users/tonyd/Downloads/owners-and-directors-test%20(1).pdf

 

[Sherif H]

Well, after all of the events of the last 48 hours I’ve made my mind up on what I want to do with helping this club out. **** this, I’m out. I’ve seen more passion amongst the Swiss. This ****ing club is a joke.

I was willing to devote hundreds of hours to making this club better, after today, I just know it’s typical south Essex chat ****, do nothing. Bollox

I'm in the same position mate. For too many years I've held out an olive branch with obligation and fee-free advice and design work, only to be treated like an inconvenience.
The apathy of our fanbase is just another nail in the coffin of my patience.