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TODAY'S TROUBLES.
Bielzibubz
President
Oh dear Lord![b said:Quote[/b] (chaco27saf @ Aug. 11 2006,14:13)]I'm not defending what the United States did in the 80's, but the idea that Saddam was only able to commit genocide because of the United States is pure ignorance. Saddam had the money and the power to obtain whatever he wanted, especially after the breakup of the Soviet Union. The fact that he got the chemicals from the United States, in my opinion, does not make the US culpable, it was still Saddam who carried out the attacks.[b said:Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Aug. 11 2006,14:02)]Who armed him in the first place ?[b said:Quote[/b] (chaco27saf @ Aug. 11 2006,13:58)]You're right, the mass genocide carried out by Saddam is all America's fault.
Was it the same people who armed the Taliban so they could overthrow the Russians ?
"yes m'lud, I did supply the gun"
"yes m'lud I did supply the bullets"
"yes m'lud I did indeed load the gun"
" and yes m'lud I did indeed raise his arm to aim.....BUT....he was the one that pulled the trigger"
"I'm innocent m'lud. Innocent I tell ya"
chaco27saf
Manager
The reason the US sold him the weapons is because Saddam was not seen as a threat at the time, and he was fighting Iran, which was a much bigger threat. The decision to arm the Taliban and Iraq in the 80's has obviously come back to haunt the US. Just remember that hindsight is 20/20, could the people who made those decisions really have seen what was going to happen.[b said:
And if you're looking for a country who sold weapons to Saddam in order to make a profit, look no further than France.
Napster
No ⭐
Alas, law doesn't work like that, and you know it![b said:Quote[/b] (D62SUBOY @ Aug. 11 2006,14:32)]Oh dear Lord![b said:Quote[/b] (chaco27saf @ Aug. 11 2006,14:13)]I'm not defending what the United States did in the 80's, but the idea that Saddam was only able to commit genocide because of the United States is pure ignorance. Saddam had the money and the power to obtain whatever he wanted, especially after the breakup of the Soviet Union. The fact that he got the chemicals from the United States, in my opinion, does not make the US culpable, it was still Saddam who carried out the attacks.[b said:Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Aug. 11 2006,14:02)]Who armed him in the first place ?[b said:Quote[/b] (chaco27saf @ Aug. 11 2006,13:58)]You're right, the mass genocide carried out by Saddam is all America's fault.
Was it the same people who armed the Taliban so they could overthrow the Russians ?
"yes m'lud, I did supply the gun"
"yes m'lud I did supply the bullets"
"yes m'lud I did indeed load the gun"
" and yes m'lud I did indeed raise his arm to aim.....BUT....he was the one that pulled the trigger"
"I'm innocent m'lud. Innocent I tell ya"
Why are some people so intent on Bush-bashing and creating some kind of Amerophobia and dreaming up some industrial machinistic conspiracy.
Defence companies want to make more money for their
shareholders by supplying more than their own country, and hence increase profit
Sometimes, they supply the country that is in war against their own country or an ally
It's capitalism at its most naked. This is what mankind has led us to. Forget conspiracy. It's all about money and greed.
Xàbia Shrimper
Co-founder of ShrimperZone
"I definitely saw some WMD" - "I'm sure I saw some WMD" - "I'm think I saw some WMD" - "I'm not sure I actually saw some WMD" - "There probably wasn't any WMD" - "There's no evidence of WMD" - "Let's attack anyway; save face"
chaco27saf
Manager
I really don't get you, you're acting like Saddam was a guiltless middle man in everything that happened, and I really hope that you don't believe that.[b said:Quote[/b] (D62SUBOY @ Aug. 11 2006,14:32)]Oh dear Lord![b said:Quote[/b] (chaco27saf @ Aug. 11 2006,14:13)]I'm not defending what the United States did in the 80's, but the idea that Saddam was only able to commit genocide because of the United States is pure ignorance. Saddam had the money and the power to obtain whatever he wanted, especially after the breakup of the Soviet Union. The fact that he got the chemicals from the United States, in my opinion, does not make the US culpable, it was still Saddam who carried out the attacks.[b said:Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Aug. 11 2006,14:02)]Who armed him in the first place ?[b said:Quote[/b] (chaco27saf @ Aug. 11 2006,13:58)]You're right, the mass genocide carried out by Saddam is all America's fault.
Was it the same people who armed the Taliban so they could overthrow the Russians ?
"yes m'lud, I did supply the gun"
"yes m'lud I did supply the bullets"
"yes m'lud I did indeed load the gun"
" and yes m'lud I did indeed raise his arm to aim.....BUT....he was the one that pulled the trigger"
"I'm innocent m'lud. Innocent I tell ya"
Xàbia Shrimper
Co-founder of ShrimperZone
... who have stayed out of everything and consequently don't quite feel the same fear as the rest of us who have governments that have led the us (the unwilling) into a war we didn't and still don't want.[b said:
They had the sense to keep out ...
SARF
Director
Yup.. make loads of dough selling military second hand stuff... Keep their heads down.. Wait.. Wait a bit more .. Adopt moral high ground when it all goes tits up .. Wait to see who wins.. Pat them on the back and aqquire huge rebuilding contracts.. Laugh at us as we bury our soldiers.[b said:
DTS
The Business
Not true at all...[b said:Quote[/b] (Napster @ Aug. 11 2006,14:27)]That's because for people from the Middle East mortgages are not allowed under Sharia Law![b said:Quote[/b] (Dave the Shrimper @ Aug. 11 2006,14:24)]UK seems to be increasingly isolated and races dont mix. We for example rarely ever do a Asian mortage. Yet we do lots of Poles, South Afrians, Austalians etc etc.
Nothing to do with anything else.
They are not allowed a typical mortgage as they dont beleive in paying interest on a loan. However loans of lenders offer mortgages where the interst is top loaded to get round this.
LTSB do a very good scheme here as do the Leeds BS and I fully understand them so its not like I have problems explaining it.
Xàbia Shrimper
Co-founder of ShrimperZone
Most of my family live in France and, believe me, they do NOT laugh at the idea of burying loved ones!! Offensive statement to make, my friend, you seem to have some sort of agenda against the French?[b said:
Napster
No ⭐
Just checking!!![b said:Quote[/b] (Dave the Shrimper @ Aug. 11 2006,14:52)]Not true at all...[b said:Quote[/b] (Napster @ Aug. 11 2006,14:27)]That's because for people from the Middle East mortgages are not allowed under Sharia Law![b said:Quote[/b] (Dave the Shrimper @ Aug. 11 2006,14:24)]UK seems to be increasingly isolated and races dont mix. We for example rarely ever do a Asian mortage. Yet we do lots of Poles, South Afrians, Austalians etc etc.
Nothing to do with anything else.
They are not allowed a typical mortgage as they dont beleive in paying interest on a loan. However loans of lenders offer mortgages where the interst is top loaded to get round this.
LTSB do a very good scheme here as do the Leeds BS and I fully understand them so its not like I have problems explaining it.
Xàbia Shrimper
Co-founder of ShrimperZone
That may be ... but they are not the ones having their freedoms reduced because of the fear of extremist activity in response to their governments policies. But then the French are an easy target for some ...[b said:Quote[/b] (Napster @ Aug. 11 2006,15:50)]Oh yes, the famous French courage so successfully exemplified in many wars. They don't fight, because they can't. They're an embarrassment to global warfare!
Napster
No ⭐
I seem to remember last year a lot of Parisiens having their freedoms reduced because immigrants went on the rampage! Was this not due to government policy?[b said:Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Aug. 11 2006,14:55)]That may be ... but they are not the ones having their freedoms reduced because of the fear of extremist activity in response to their governments policies. But then the French are an easy target for some ...[b said:Quote[/b] (Napster @ Aug. 11 2006,15:50)]Oh yes, the famous French courage so successfully exemplified in many wars. They don't fight, because they can't. They're an embarrassment to global warfare!
ps cracking discussion, let's not get personal, guys!
DTS
The Business
Surely I didn't know something you didnt know...???[b said:Quote[/b] (Napster @ Aug. 11 2006,14:55)]Just checking!!![b said:Quote[/b] (Dave the Shrimper @ Aug. 11 2006,14:52)]Not true at all...[b said:Quote[/b] (Napster @ Aug. 11 2006,14:27)]That's because for people from the Middle East mortgages are not allowed under Sharia Law![b said:Quote[/b] (Dave the Shrimper @ Aug. 11 2006,14:24)]UK seems to be increasingly isolated and races dont mix. We for example rarely ever do a Asian mortage. Yet we do lots of Poles, South Afrians, Austalians etc etc.
Nothing to do with anything else.
They are not allowed a typical mortgage as they dont beleive in paying interest on a loan. However loans of lenders offer mortgages where the interst is top loaded to get round this.
LTSB do a very good scheme here as do the Leeds BS and I fully understand them so its not like I have problems explaining it.
Is this a SZ first...?
Bielzibubz
President
Sorry if my views come across like that. Not meant to in the slightest. Saddam Hussien was an evil tyrant who persicuted and killed his own people for many years. I'm not condoning anything the man has ever done in that respect.[b said:Quote[/b] (chaco27saf @ Aug. 11 2006,14:40)]I really don't get you, you're acting like Saddam was a guiltless middle man in everything that happened, and I really hope that you don't believe that.[b said:Quote[/b] (D62SUBOY @ Aug. 11 2006,14:32)]Oh dear Lord![b said:Quote[/b] (chaco27saf @ Aug. 11 2006,14:13)]I'm not defending what the United States did in the 80's, but the idea that Saddam was only able to commit genocide because of the United States is pure ignorance. Saddam had the money and the power to obtain whatever he wanted, especially after the breakup of the Soviet Union. The fact that he got the chemicals from the United States, in my opinion, does not make the US culpable, it was still Saddam who carried out the attacks.[b said:Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Aug. 11 2006,14:02)]Who armed him in the first place ?[b said:Quote[/b] (chaco27saf @ Aug. 11 2006,13:58)]You're right, the mass genocide carried out by Saddam is all America's fault.
Was it the same people who armed the Taliban so they could overthrow the Russians ?
"yes m'lud, I did supply the gun"
"yes m'lud I did supply the bullets"
"yes m'lud I did indeed load the gun"
" and yes m'lud I did indeed raise his arm to aim.....BUT....he was the one that pulled the trigger"
"I'm innocent m'lud. Innocent I tell ya"
The fact is, as has been stated by someone else. The American administration (CIA, Pentagan + many private companies) had a hand in arming Saddam Hussein for many years prior to Gulf Wars 1 and 2.
And if I come across as anti American (government) it's because I bloody well am
Xàbia Shrimper
Co-founder of ShrimperZone
Yes it was. And the government (typically) have backed down -- problem over. Can you see war-monger Bush and liar Bliar doing the same? Nope, neither can I ...[b said:
Sao Paulo Shrimper
First XI
Lets not stop off the topic of what we can do too stop all this sh!te before it turns into a civil war which is getting closer and closer.
I think we done well to intercept this mass murder but what about the next time?, will we be so lucky?
To be honest, if this attack had gone ahead and say the 10 planes had been blown up wth thousands of innocent Brits and other nationalities onboard then i think Joe public with myself included would have thought this is the last straw,and to hell with any PC feeling, do whatever it takes to f%&k these bastards even if it means doing something back which will turn all their fellow muslims against them.
I live in Brasil who by the way hate George Bush with real passion like 99 per cent on Latin American countries and are not too keen on Blair either. These people where horrified by the plot and would back the UK in whatever they did in return and even their most hated enemy the US.
I think we done well to intercept this mass murder but what about the next time?, will we be so lucky?
To be honest, if this attack had gone ahead and say the 10 planes had been blown up wth thousands of innocent Brits and other nationalities onboard then i think Joe public with myself included would have thought this is the last straw,and to hell with any PC feeling, do whatever it takes to f%&k these bastards even if it means doing something back which will turn all their fellow muslims against them.
I live in Brasil who by the way hate George Bush with real passion like 99 per cent on Latin American countries and are not too keen on Blair either. These people where horrified by the plot and would back the UK in whatever they did in return and even their most hated enemy the US.
Xàbia Shrimper
Co-founder of ShrimperZone
Very much the same here in Spain. Most Spaniards I know despise the US administration, particular Bush, despite what happened in Madrid. But if the sh!t hit the fan, all of them would back the UK and (albeit reluctantly the US) in trying to stop the carnage ... although that wouldn't include the invasion of another country just to push some muscle around ...
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