Three Key Games For Tilson

[Interpol Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (gbshrimper @ Nov. 28 2006,13:07)]

Quote[/b] (glasgowsufc @ Nov. 28 2006,10:43)]

Quote[/b] (Einstein @ Nov. 28 2006,10:41)]

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Quote[/b] (Einstein @ Nov. 28 2006,10:21)]Steve Tilson - Southend
Played Won Drawn Lost
167 72 45 50

Win Ratio - 43.11%

Not questioning your stats but I have Tilly down as W73, D44, L50.  Where did you get them from?

So you are questioning my stats then  

Soccerbase.com - Thought they were usually reliable, but hey let's go with your stats, that's now a 43.71% win ratio for RPG!

I could be wrong but I religiously update them after every game!  Something I started to compile when I was very bored waiting out my notice time at RBS!

You do realise I am now going to have to cross-reference soccerbase with mine to see who's right!!!  

Could the mystery be....

The Lincoln play off final game

Although it was an overall victory, it was a draw after 90 mins, maybe Soccerbase base their stats on 90 mins only?

?

Good point, I'm pretty sure that's the difference too!
My accountant's eye for detail was worrying me with my stats for a minute there

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

As usual Richard_Cadette you make some very eloquent points in your replies on here, but we need to remember The Championship is a very different league to the 2nd tier we left in 1997. How many of the current teams have had Premiership experience? Loads, and that sheer cashflow is going ot put them in a different league to us in terms of how the clubs are run. OK you get teams like Leicester & Derby who've screwed up & almost gone to the wall trying to get back to the moneybags promised land but they still have PL infrastructures in place in all but name!

 

[neil]

Quote[/b] (RPG @ Nov. 28 2006,13:35)]OK - I have read the previous threads and apologise for ever mentioning such a controversial topic. However I thought this was a message board where every Southend supporter could air their opinions without being subjected to insults just because other posters disagree with your opinion, I was obviously wrong!!!

For the record I believe that Tilson has done an excellent job for us and I hope and pray that he turns things around. I do not however believe that a Manager should continue to run a club purely based on past achievments. For example how many fans would continue to support Tilly if we only amassed 20-30 points at the end of the season?

At the start of the season most people on this board expected us to just avoid relegation (me included). Why is it then that other peoples expectations have slipped?

I still maintain that it is essential that we stay in this division. If RM has stated that we have a 5 year plan then so be it however 1 month is a long time in footbal let alone 5 years!!

Get over it, mate. There's no need to start crying about it.

Tell me why it is essential we stay in the division. I am at this point not going to commit either way, but give me some hard facts and figures. Something a little more than how you'll feel personally about relegation.

Also, if someone has nothing to do this afternoon, it would be interesting to know the statistics on clubs relegated from this division in the last ten years and what happened the following year, with particular reference to whether or not they sacked the manager that got them into the Championship

 

[RPG]

Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Nov. 28 2006,13:35)]

Quote[/b] (RPG @ Nov. 28 2006,13:14)]Also if you philosophy is right then Alf Ramsey should have remained England manager past the 1970 world cup???

Sir Alf Ramsey did remain England manager until they failed to qualify for the World Cup in Germany in 1974.

I will pose this question again to all the Tilson out brigade, who the heck are you advocating to take over from him?

Read the first post I do not want Tilson out!! I however believe that if we fail to win in the next 3 games people will start to ask questions (RM included).

To answer your question if Tilson does go (for what ever reason) Worthington IMO will be a good replacement.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Nov. 28 2006,13:35)]

Quote[/b] (RPG @ Nov. 28 2006,13:14)]Also if you philosophy is right then Alf Ramsey should have remained England manager past the 1970 world cup???

Sir Alf Ramsey did remain England manager until they failed to qualify for the World Cup in Germany in 1974.

I will pose this question again to all the Tilson out brigade, who the heck are you advocating to take over from him?

I wouldnt say there was a brigade, I think someone has raised the issue, and I have also said the issue is not above being spoken about.

As for alternative, are you honestly saying there is no one else out there who is good enough to manage our club?

I can think of numerous people who could do a good job for us.....

Stan Ternant
Mark McGhee
Nigel Worthington
Joe Royle
Brian Horton

To name but a few....

As I say, I dont advocate the sacking of Tilly, but I wll name a few people for those who, for some reason, think the only man capable of managing Southend is Steve Tilson!

 

[canveyshrimper]

Quote[/b] (RPG @ Nov. 28 2006,13:48)]

Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Nov. 28 2006,13:35)]

Quote[/b] (RPG @ Nov. 28 2006,13:14)]Also if you philosophy is right then Alf Ramsey should have remained England manager past the 1970 world cup???

Sir Alf Ramsey did remain England manager until they failed to qualify for the World Cup in Germany in 1974.

I will pose this question again to all the Tilson out brigade, who the heck are you advocating to take over from him?

Read the first post I do not want Tilson out!! I however believe that if we fail to win in the next 3 games people will start to ask questions (RM included).

To answer your question if Tilson does go (for what ever reason) Worthington IMO will be a good replacement.

I never said you did, there have been a number of threads on here recently with a number advocating Tilly to cop the Sapnish Archer. My question was a general one which I have posed before, and indeed you have been the first that has actually answered the question.

 

[Joolz]

Quote[/b] (RPG @ Nov. 28 2006,13:35)]OK - I have read the previous threads and apologise for ever mentioning such a controversial topic. However I thought this was a message board where every Southend supporter could air their opinions without being subjected to insults just because other posters disagree with your opinion, I was obviously wrong!!!

Hey, no need to apologise. You were giving your opinions and others were giving theirs. Keep at it!

 

[Jim Coxell]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Nov. 28 2006,13:51)]Stan Ternant
Mark McGhee
Nigel Worthington
Joe Royle
Brian Horton

They're all capable. Trouble is I'd be amazed if any of them would touch Southend.

 

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Nov. 28 2006,13:51)]I can think of numerous people who could do a good job for us.....

Mark McGhee
Brian Horton

To name but a few....

Cannon and Ball
Timmy Mallett
David Blunkett
Musical Youth
Victoria Silvstedt
Skippy the Bush Kangaroo...............

 

[canveyshrimper]

Quote[/b] (Jim Coxell @ Nov. 28 2006,13:55)]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Nov. 28 2006,13:51)]Stan Ternant
Mark McGhee
Nigel Worthington
Joe Royle
Brian Horton

They're all capable. Trouble is I'd be amazed if any of them would touch Southend.

Or with possible exception of Nigel Worthington would Southend touch them.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 28 2006,13:56)]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Nov. 28 2006,13:51)]I can think of numerous people who could do a good job for us.....

Mark McGhee
Brian Horton

To name but a few....

Cannon and Ball
Timmy Mallett
David Blunkett
Musical Youth
Victoria Silvstedt
Skippy the Bush Kangaroo...............

Yeah, you're right, neither of those two have a proven track record at this level do they!!!!!

No manager is above failures, I never said they were, but all the ones I mentioned have proven records at this level.

 

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Nov. 28 2006,13:57)]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 28 2006,13:56)]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Nov. 28 2006,13:51)]I can think of numerous people who could do a good job for us.....

Mark McGhee
Brian Horton

To name but a few....

Cannon and Ball
Timmy Mallett
David Blunkett
Musical Youth
Victoria Silvstedt
Skippy the Bush Kangaroo...............

Yeah, you're right, neither of those two have a proven track record at this level do they!!!!!

No manager is above failures, I never said they were, but all the ones I mentioned have proven records at this level.

Damaged goods, RC. That's why I deleted the other three from your post.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Quote[/b] (canveyshrimper @ Nov. 28 2006,13:57)]

Quote[/b] (Jim Coxell @ Nov. 28 2006,13:55)]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Nov. 28 2006,13:51)]Stan Ternant
Mark McGhee
Nigel Worthington
Joe Royle
Brian Horton

They're all capable. Trouble is I'd be amazed if any of them would touch Southend.

Or with possible exception of Nigel Worthington would Southend touch them.

Why not CS?

Have they not all got proven records at this level then?

Have they not all succeeded at this level with there respective teams then?

Your problem with Mr Ternant is? He only took Bury to this level and kept them here for 3 years, he got Burnley to this level and kept them there, twice finishing 7th on a smaller budget than we have. What would put you off him exactly?

I think the bottom line is I could add Mourinho and Fergie to that list, some people are so biased towards Tilly it wont matter.

As I said, I am not saying he should be removed, but you asked for decent alternatives who could do a good job and I have given you a list of people within our financial reach who have a better record at this level than Tilly.

I fear I wasted my time!

 

[RPG]

Quote[/b] (neil @ Nov. 28 2006,13:48)]

Quote[/b] (RPG @ Nov. 28 2006,13:35)]OK - I have read the previous threads and apologise for ever mentioning such a controversial topic. However I thought this was a message board where every Southend supporter could air their opinions without being subjected to insults just because other posters disagree with your opinion, I was obviously wrong!!!

For the record I believe that Tilson has done an excellent job for us and I hope and pray that he turns things around. I do not however believe that a Manager should continue to run a club purely based on past achievments. For example how many fans would continue to support Tilly if we only amassed 20-30 points at the end of the season?

At the start of the season most people on this board expected us to just avoid relegation (me included). Why is it then that other peoples expectations have slipped?

I still maintain that it is essential that we stay in this division. If RM has stated that we have a 5 year plan then so be it however 1 month is a long time in footbal let alone 5 years!!

Get over it, mate. There's no need to start crying about it.

Tell me why it is essential we stay in the division. I am at this point not going to commit either way, but give me some hard facts and figures. Something a little more than how you'll feel personally about relegation.

Also, if someone has nothing to do this afternoon, it would be interesting to know the statistics on clubs relegated from this division in the last ten years and what happened the following year, with particular reference to whether or not they sacked the manager that got them into the Championship

Statistics prove that if a club gets relegated attendancies fall therefore less income for the club. In addition the club will also have decreased turnover in respect of club merchandise.
We also have an increasing number of young supporters it is more likely that these fans will continue to support the club if we stay a Championship club for a few seasons. For example when I was at school 25+ years ago most children supported West Ham, Spurs or Arsenal. I am not sure if this would be the case now however if we fall down the league again a large ppn of these fans will start to support premiership clubs again.


We have also increased the size of the squad, OK we have not spent Millions however this will have an impact especially as some of these players are on 3 year deals.

We could (if planning permision is accepted) be moving to a new stadium. Do we want to end up like another Darlington?

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 28 2006,13:59)]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Nov. 28 2006,13:57)]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ Nov. 28 2006,13:56)]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Nov. 28 2006,13:51)]I can think of numerous people who could do a good job for us.....

Mark McGhee
Brian Horton

To name but a few....

Cannon and Ball
Timmy Mallett
David Blunkett
Musical Youth
Victoria Silvstedt
Skippy the Bush Kangaroo...............

Yeah, you're right, neither of those two have a proven track record at this level do they!!!!!

No manager is above failures, I never said they were, but all the ones I mentioned have proven records at this level.

Damaged goods, RC. That's why I deleted the other three from your post.

Yes they suffered failures recently, but McGhee only the season before last kept Brighton up in this division after getting them up where they had less resources and a smaller ground, if you can even call it that.

If your theory about Tilly not becoming a bad manager overnight, which is essentially what you are saying, then neither do these.

 

[DTS]

Quote[/b] (Richard_Cadette @ Nov. 28 2006,13:51)]I can think of numerous people who could do a good job for us.....

Stan Ternant
Mark McGhee
Nigel Worthington
Joe Royle
Brian Horton

Jesus R-C,

Can I have some of what you have had today. That must be one of the worst managerial lists I could have imagined. Only Worthington would even remotely make me not want to end life itself and that is only just.

 

[SARF]

The club will have signed players on long term contracts and made plans for a new ground based on the fairly hefty chance of us being relegated in the next couple of seasons.. Tilsons budget will reflect that especially on salaries..
I'd sooner that than gambling on staying up

 

[fredheim_holm]

Why dont we have a vote on it? Who will want Tilly out if we lose our next 3 games, no matter how well we perform? Someone can set that up.

I'd vote no straight away.

 

[shrimperbhoy]

Quote[/b] (glasgowsufc @ Nov. 28 2006,13:46)]As usual Richard_Cadette you make some very eloquent points in your replies on here, but we need to remember The Championship is a very different league to the 2nd tier we left in 1997.  How many of the current teams have had Premiership experience?  Loads, and that sheer cashflow is going ot put them in a different league to us in terms of how the clubs are run.  OK you get teams like Leicester & Derby who've screwed up & almost gone to the wall trying to get back to the moneybags promised land but they still have PL infrastructures in place in all but name!

Yes, I've been surprised by the quality in the Championship. I think the influx of foreign players has resulted in a lot of homegrown talent playing in the second tier.

I would go as far to say that the gap between the Championship and League One is probably just as big as that between the Premiership and the Championship.

We didn't have one of the strongest squads last season, but our sheer momentum took us up. This is one bridge too far, I feel, with the current squad.

 

[BrettieAngell]

Quote[/b] (RPG @ Nov. 28 2006,14:02)]

Quote[/b] (neil @ Nov. 28 2006,13:48)]

Quote[/b] (RPG @ Nov. 28 2006,13:35)]OK - I have read the previous threads and apologise for ever mentioning such a controversial topic. However I thought this was a message board where every Southend supporter could air their opinions without being subjected to insults just because other posters disagree with your opinion, I was obviously wrong!!!

For the record I believe that Tilson has done an excellent job for us and I hope and pray that he turns things around. I do not however believe that a Manager should continue to run a club purely based on past achievments. For example how many fans would continue to support Tilly if we only amassed 20-30 points at the end of the season?

At the start of the season most people on this board expected us to just avoid relegation (me included). Why is it then that other peoples expectations have slipped?

I still maintain that it is essential that we stay in this division. If RM has stated that we have a 5 year plan then so be it however 1 month is a long time in footbal let alone 5 years!!

Get over it, mate. There's no need to start crying about it.

Tell me why it is essential we stay in the division. I am at this point not going to commit either way, but give me some hard facts and figures. Something a little more than how you'll feel personally about relegation.

Also, if someone has nothing to do this afternoon, it would be interesting to know the statistics on clubs relegated from this division in the last ten years and what happened the following year, with particular reference to whether or not they sacked the manager that got them into the Championship

Statistics prove that if a club gets relegated attendancies fall therefore less income for the club. In addition the club will also have decreased turnover in respect of club merchandise.
We also have an increasing number of young supporters it is more likely that these fans will continue to support the club if we stay a Championship club for a few seasons. For example when I was at school 25+ years ago most children supported West Ham, Spurs or Arsenal. I am not sure if this would be the case now however if we fall down the league again a large ppn of these fans will start to support premiership clubs again.


We have also increased the size of the squad, OK we have not spent Millions however this will have an impact especially as some of these players are on 3 year deals.

We could (if planning permision is accepted) be moving to a new stadium. Do we want to end up like another Darlington?

And replacing Tilly will garauntee that none of that happens?