The EU Referendum

[Tangled up in Blue]

Well you seemed pretty convident of them last year I remember. In fact you were falling over yourself to bung a Guardian poll up at every opportunity. Lacking a bit of faith are we?

No,I'm still confident that remain will win.It's likely to be closer than I originally thought,though.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I'm voting out as the EU is responsible for the rise in Fascism.

Not in the UK it's not-if today's shooting was anything to go by.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36550304

"!Police investigating reports suspect shouted ‘Britain First.’ "


http://www.theguardian.com/politics...endum-live-osborne-brexit-budget-leave-tories

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

The economy is already dipping. Ftse100 has fallen 2% in a few days. The uncertainty before the referendum is already having an effect. It's fair to point out that a leave result will have very significant consequences for our economy and tough decisions may need to be had.

Also, if pensioners are in the majority of voting out, then they can suck it up, frankly.

It's not pensioners who have the most to fear but those about to retire. Those in their 50s and early 60s will be destroying their pension pot if they vote Brexit.

I don't understand why that age group wants to sabotage their futures.

What does this prove? That markets fluctuate?

At the time of writing this the FTSE is up by 0.9% today.

The market fluctuates around polls. A remain poll (or rumours of one) drives the market up; a leave poll (or again rumours of one) drives the market down.

The Remain vote (although that is their democratic right) are looking like a bunch of pussies. Have they no faith in their own capabilities anymore, than relying on a defunct EU that is doomed anyway. We have no say in a federal Germany run EU.

The more the scaremongers threaten oblivion to those that want to exit, the more the people in the UK will not tolerate such.

We are the 5th biggest economy in the world..F**** the EU and their nonsense, we are more than them, stand up and be counted, or are we pussies to?

Only because Nigel Farage deigned to attend 1 out of 42 fisheries committee meetings that he was invited to.

Fair play for criticising scaremongers two sentences after denouncing "a defunct EU that is doomed" though.

I already get a work pension and I may be gambling with that , however for me it is a Leave on too many issues that have a greater importance than money. Every choice has consequences.

Far less gamble for you then than those who have to follow and pick up the pieces.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

I'm voting remain. I couldn't in all conscience be responsible for the rise of Faragism.

Surely a Leave result would be the end of the Kippers? And with it NF.:winking:

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

my last post before I go on holiday round Britain. All I ask is everyone thinks about why the overwhelming opinion of businessmen, company chairmen, scientists at the top of their tree and other countries who are our allies and friends is to remain in the EU. Why do they say this? The answer is it is true. If you truly want your economy ruined, your pensions reduced, your health service squeezed well just go ahead and vote Brexit.
If you really care about the future of our country vote remain.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

my last post before I go on holiday round Britain. All I ask is everyone thinks about why the overwhelming opinion of businessmen, company chairmen, scientists at the top of their tree and other countries who are our allies and friends is to remain in the EU. Why do they say this? The answer is it is true. If you truly want your economy ruined, your pensions reduced, your health service squeezed well just go ahead and vote Brexit.
If you really care about the future of our country vote remain.

This must be one of the weakest posts on the subject, fancy that all the top dogs want to maintain the status quo? And haven t all these same people got it correct with their forecasts in the past? And didn't the bankers do well not so long ago because they are financial experts too!
I read some of these posts and an image of Harry Enfield's "loads of money" Tory boy from the 1980s comes to mind, or George Orwells pigs tacking over the farm.
Weak and sad, give Barney his credit he wants a utopian, better socialist society but others just want money, money, money from fat cat United States of Europe, as that is what the EU is to be and what we are either voting for or not.

 

[Pubey]

Nicked from facebook


Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• The guy who was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

 

[RHB]

Don't forget James Dyson, he wants out.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Keigh Chegwin? Well I had made my mind up but this revelation has just put me straight back in the undecideds.

Someone help me out.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Nicked from facebook


Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• The guy who was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

You missed off from the Leave support those who have been promoting their own agendas regarding the EU through the newspapers:

Rupert Murdoch owner of the Sun, News of the World (defunct), Sky and Times - Australian born US citizen who doesn't like the EU who when asked why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'
The Barclay brothers, owners of the Telegraph, who live outside the EU in their own tax haven island
Richard Desmond, tax avoiding owner of the Express, Asian Readers' Wives and other choice pornography
Lord Rothermere, a non-dom tax-avoider who owns the Nazi supporting Daily Mail and various local newspapers

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

You missed off from the Leave support those who have been promoting their own agendas regarding the EU through the newspapers:

Rupert Murdoch owner of the Sun, News of the World (defunct), Sky and Times - Australian born US citizen who doesn't like the EU who when asked why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'
The Barclay brothers, owners of the Telegraph, who live outside the EU in their own tax haven island
Richard Desmond, tax avoiding owner of the Express, Asian Readers' Wives and other choice pornography
Lord Rothermere, a non-dom tax-avoider who owns the Nazi supporting Daily Mail and various local newspapers

TBF,that was back in the 1930's.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Jesus wept

So you think Carney has had no pressure put on him do you? Maybe you are that naive.:winking:

Funny how ex BoE boss Mervyn King, now unshackled from any political influence or allegiance, has pretty much debunked all that Carney has said.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

TBF,that was back in the 1930's.

Barney - it is not in your remit to be fair to the Daily Mail - they will in no way repay the favour. Now stay behind after class and think about what you have done.

 

[londonblue]

You missed off from the Leave support those who have been promoting their own agendas regarding the EU through the newspapers:

Rupert Murdoch owner of the Sun, News of the World (defunct), Sky and Times - Australian born US citizen who doesn't like the EU who when asked why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'
The Barclay brothers, owners of the Telegraph, who live outside the EU in their own tax haven island
Richard Desmond, tax avoiding owner of the Express, Asian Readers' Wives and other choice pornography
Lord Rothermere, a non-dom tax-avoider who owns the Nazi supporting Daily Mail and various local newspapers

And after all that people will still say it's the Remainers who have been brainwashed!

 

[OldBlueLady]

Most of the people on that list are people who live privileged lifestyles because of their positions. i am much more interested in the views of the people on the ground who are living with the effects of Europe's interference on a daily basis.

 

[londonblue]

Most of the people on that list are people who live privileged lifestyles because of their positions. i am much more interested in the views of the people on the ground who are living with the effects of Europe's interference on a daily basis.

No, they're people that know what they're talking about, and can see beyond their small radius. It's the people on the leave side of that list you need to question. Murdoch doesn't even try to hide his reasons. The others are just as bad.

 

[Pubey]

Most of the people on that list are people who live privileged lifestyles because of their positions. i am much more interested in the views of the people on the ground who are living with the effects of Europe's interference on a daily basis.

More supporters of remain:


Michael Anderson
CEO, Children’s Investment Fund Foundation

Valerie Amos
Former UN undersecretary general for humanitarian affairs and emergency relief coordinator

Owen Barder
Director of the Center for Global Development In Europe

Tanya Barron
Chief executive, Plan UK

Mark Malloch Brown
Former UN deputy general secretary

Andrew Cahn
Chair of WWF

Rose Caldwell
Executive director, Concern Worldwide

Margaret Casely-Hayford
Chair of board of trustees of Action Aid UK

Paul Collier
Economist, University of Oxford

Brendan Gormley
Former CEO of the Disaster Emergency Committee

John Holmes
Former UN undersecretary general for humanitarian affairs and emergency relief coordinator

David Hulme
President of the Development Studies Association

Richard Jolly
Former assistant secretary-general of the UN

Frank Judd
Former director of Oxfam and VSO

Melissa Leach
Director, Institute of Development Studies

Simon Maxwell
Former director of the Overseas Development Institute and former president of the Development Studies Association of the
UK and Ireland

Daleep Mukarji
Former CEO Christian Aid

Simon O’Connell
Executive director, Mercy Corps Europe

Ann Pettifor
Director of policy research in macroeconomics, co-founder and former Director of Jubilee 2000

Martin Tisne
Investment partner, Omidyar Network

Kevin Watkins
Director, Overseas Development Institute

Rob Williams
CEO, Warchild

Jasmine Whitbread
Former CEO of Save the Children

Professor Myles Wickstead
Visiting professor (international relations), King’s College London

 

[Bielzibubz]

You can post list after list after list to your hearts content. It does, and will I believe, mean diddly squat come the 23rd because, and this is something that's been little talked about or sighted as a reason for the rise in Brexit votes by middle Englanders during this debate. Your average person doesn't trust politicians and the heads of big business/institutions any more. There are many many reasons for this that have grown this past decade and I'm sure I don't have to point them out to you.

Would you like me to post up a list of 250 business leaders who support a Brexit?.........

 

[MK Shrimper]

You can post list after list after list to your hearts content. It does, and will I believe, mean diddly squat come the 23rd because, and this is something that's been little talked about or sighted as a reason for the rise in Brexit votes by middle Englanders during this debate. Your average person doesn't trust politicians and the heads of big business/institutions any more. There are many many reasons for this that have grown this past decade and I'm sure I don't have to point them out to you.

Would you like me to post up a list of 250 business leaders who support a Brexit?.........

But trust the slimy, lying hypocritical Nigel Farage, the buffoonish and incredibly wealthy Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and the repulsive Rupert Murdoch?

 

[Bielzibubz]

But trust the slimy, lying hypocritical Nigel Farage, the buffoonish and incredibly wealthy Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and the repulsive Rupert Murdoch?

It's a question of who do you trust the least and the EU political elite and our home grown MP's in power at the moment clearly come out on top right.

It could be argued that BJ has been good for London. He may be a baffoon in your eyes but he's liked by many many people

I wouldn't worry too much. Even in the event of a Brexit, which looks likely, Parliamentary statute Article 50 can be voted on, imposed and the vote to leave would mean diddly squat anyway. This referendum isn't bound by law, it's advisory. Parliament has the power under statute to say sorry, we know what's best and we're not abiding by it.