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The EU Referendum

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How are you voting?

  • Leave

    Votes: 58 56.3%

  • Remain

    Votes: 45 43.7%
  • Total voters
    103
  • Poll closed .
MK Shrimper said:
A campaign poll run on lies, hyperbole and ******** (on both sides). I'd imagine most people have no idea of **** that they voted themselves into and the majority of things promised to "leavers" by Farage & Bojo and their cronies will never materialise.
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And yet we all still voted...despite two very poor campaigns, and that vote must count... if it doesn't then the will of the British people will have been ignored.
 
rigsby said:
Is that really your best answer. Come on MK, I know Tangled and *** have far more experience in 'Labour awkward question avoidance'....But I would expect a bit better from you.

Come on can anyone give me one thing that Labour could or should bring to the Brexit debate?
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You're mistaking me for a Labour party member,which I'm not.Unlike the other two people you mention.

Labour will start to contribute to the Brexit debate seriously once the leadership election is over.
 
Bielzibubz said:
Ok, let me rephrase that. The UK government will put in place.................................. And how am I so 'au fait' with the workings of the UK government? Because it stands to reason they will. they won't want to **** off big businesses here in the UK nor the UK public but won't want to hack off and be seen to be taking the **** out of other foreign governments. Every other country that wants to trade with us will be doing exactly the same. It's a balancing act of compromises by everyone. Deals will be done. There will be some losers and there will be some winners, just as there has always been, and I believe we'll eventually come out of this bigger and stronger as a nation than anytime in the past 80 years and to back up my belief I'm willing to put a £50.00 wager on with anyone that wants to take me up on it (winnings to Shrimperzone of course) (time scale and criteria to be set by someone impartial)
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Apologies if this has been answered already (I'm only dipping in and don't have the time to go back and read 2500 posts)

On another thread somebody posted that Lloyds are talking of moving some of its operation into Europe post brexit, working for a Lloyds syndicate I don't see this as an idle threat as I know how important US and Japanese business is and how they see LLoyds as a gateway to Europe not just the UK. This is obviously a press release to influence government as mass redundancies in the city would be catastrophic, particularly in Essex. With the emboldened text in mind, specifically "we wont want to **** off big businesses" don't you think that the EU hold quite a major trump card regarding exit terms? and as such I can't see the brexit being quite the utopia that those voting out thought it would be.
 
callan said:
They didn't learn anything from the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, again an abject failure in the 2015 General election to learn, one would hope that they will learn from Brexit and be able to provide opposition...I don't suppose any of us realistically expect that to happen though.
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Always find this bizzare. Cameron got away with the Scottish referendum but managed to give a massive boost to the SNP in the process. But he learnt nothing from his close escape and went ahead with an EU referendum and lost.

So the bizzare statement that Labour didn't learn anything from the Tories' Scottish referendum - Labour already knew that you don't hold a referendum unless you are 100% sure you will win, and are ready for the consequences if you don't.

Labour being to blame for Cameron's risk taking is such a bizzare notion.
 
Another Surrey Shrimper said:
Always find this bizzare. Cameron got away with the Scottish referendum but managed to give a massive boost to the SNP in the process. But he learnt nothing from his close escape and went ahead with an EU referendum and lost.

So the bizzare statement that Labour didn't learn anything from the Tories' Scottish referendum - Labour already knew that you don't hold a referendum unless you are 100% sure you will win, and are ready for the consequences if you don't.

Labour being to blame for Cameron's risk taking is such a bizzare notion.
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True,but Labour won't get Scotland back from the SNP for a generation,if ever.
 
kingSHRIMPER said:
Apologies if this has been answered already (I'm only dipping in and don't have the time to go back and read 2500 posts)

On another thread somebody posted that Lloyds are talking of moving some of its operation into Europe post brexit, working for a Lloyds syndicate I don't see this as an idle threat as I know how important US and Japanese business is and how they see LLoyds as a gateway to Europe not just the UK. This is obviously a press release to influence government as mass redundancies in the city would be catastrophic, particularly in Essex. With the emboldened text in mind, specifically "we wont want to **** off big businesses" don't you think that the EU hold quite a major trump card regarding exit terms? and as such I can't see the brexit being quite the utopia that those voting out thought it would be.
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The threat made by John Nelson is based upon the assumption that a Brexit deal to guarantee the London financial services markets continued access to the single market cannot be reached. An assumption that, in my oh so humble opinion, is way off the mark.
 
Bielzibubz said:
The threat made by John Nelson is based upon the assumption that a Brexit deal to guarantee the London financial services markets continued access to the single market cannot be reached. An assumption that, in my oh so humble opinion, is way off the mark.
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Not wishing to be rude Bielzibubz, but when have any of your opinions ever been humble?:winking:
 
:hilarious: Humble as in I'll readily admit I probably know less about some of what I type than others, especially those that actually have some personal contact with the subject matter at hand but I do know 100% what I believe and the reasons why I do.
 
Another Surrey Shrimper said:
Only route back in is if SNP make a complete hash of it. But the Labour NEC purge of any member that has ever said anything positive about SNP is a completely illogical approach to winning over the Scottish.
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Personally,I think Labour will have to make a formal or informal pact with the SNP if they want to get back into power in 2020.
 
Another Surrey Shrimper said:
Always find this bizzare. Cameron got away with the Scottish referendum but managed to give a massive boost to the SNP in the process. But he learnt nothing from his close escape and went ahead with an EU referendum and lost.

So the bizzare statement that Labour didn't learn anything from the Tories' Scottish referendum - Labour already knew that you don't hold a referendum unless you are 100% sure you will win, and are ready for the consequences if you don't.

Labour being to blame for Cameron's risk taking is such a bizzare notion.
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If Labour have learnt something then do tell us what it is....
 
Bielzibubz said:
The threat made by John Nelson is based upon the assumption that a Brexit deal to guarantee the London financial services markets continued access to the single market cannot be reached. An assumption that, in my oh so humble opinion, is way off the mark.
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Firstly I'd like to point out I was a lukewarm remainer and was undecided until about a week before the vote. I saw the positives of brexit but was very sceptical that we would get what was being promised and thought it would be at the price of another recession. There seems to be a lot of contradiction from both sides. A lot of Brexiters seem to think that the EU is doomed without us, so I can't see them making the exit easy and whilst I'm sure we will have continued access to the single market, I wonder at what price?
 
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