Thanks Kev - but is a new manager needed?

[Southend Elvis]

When you are a fan of a football club, you always want success, so you can share in that excitement with friends and fellow supporters... that's your pay off for your support in theory.
If success isn't forthcoming, we can enjoy great football, goals and pride when putting the opposition to the sword.
When you get poor football, few goals and even less wins, boring un exciting play, etc, you question that support.
We don't need a lot, but having to survive off scraps is extremely difficult, even for the most positive of us.
Hopefully, things will improve but this is going to be a really tough long season if things don't.
Don't shoot the guys who are moaning about our current plight, we just crave success and excitement for everyone. We are probably just impatient!

 

[blues exile]

We are not entitled to win any game of football. We had 12 draws last season, though I'll admit that the 3 you cite would have seen us sneak into the playoffs, I do not think that they are representative of our season last year at all.

@ShrimperStats will probably be able to tell us how many points were earned from losing positions last season.

I think that there is some reasonably valid on-field criticism to be had of this season so far but I'm happy to call out anyone that thinks that Maher's overall time in charge has been anything other than above

Above average but not top notch which is needed to get out of this hellhole. The past counts for nothing as even Mark Robins was one of the latest to find out. Relegation is a real threat with the upcoming sequence of games likely to define the season. Sentiment has no place in a results driven environment.

 

[Liam AAS]

Above average but not top notch which is needed to get out of this hellhole. The past counts for nothing as even Mark Robins was one of the latest to find out. Relegation is a real threat with the upcoming sequence of games likely to define the season. Sentiment has no place in a results driven environment.

Your expectations are way too high. We nearly collapsed last year.

 

[RHB]

Off topic, but I will be glad when the pre match thread appears for FGR. Lots of good discussion and posts on here, but a bit like some TV channels, repeats are constantly appearing. And without doubt I'm feeling really miserable now.

 

[Ailsa Road Shrimper]

Ultimately being 16th in this league after 18 games with just 21 points on the board with barely a goal a game being scored is unacceptable, a lot of the criticism aimed at the management and players is justifiable. They need to take it on the chin and find the solutions to improve things.

Whilst losing Cardwell and Kensdale was a blow, one is a sub at Forest Green and the other plays in the NLS for Eastbourne. The departure of players of that calibre should not cause such a dramatic affect. If our style of play was so dependent on them then I feel that style we have is flawed if it falls apart with their departures. At any level there will always be players moving on or injuries, both those have been missing in the past and I don’t recall performances dropping significantly. They were also involved in the friendlies and first couple of games, we looked ponderous and poor in those games as well as we have been most of the season.

I don’t feel we should be changing management at this stage as there is still credit in the bank from the off the field issues experiences over the past few years, however things really do need to improve.

 

[blues exile]

Your expectations are way too high. We nearly collapsed last year.

Fully aware of that but that has no bearing on the current situation.

 

[BoyWonder2]

Fully aware of that but that has no bearing on the current situation.

It does.

COSU coming in didn’t fix every problem. Problems from the RM era are still be sorted now. Debts are still being paid off, work is still going on to get bits of the ground reopen and so forth.

Had RM gone tail end of last season, we’d have secured a number of our top targets and probably wouldn’t be having this discussion.

 

[blues exile]

It does.

COSU coming in didn’t fix every problem. Problems from the RM era are still be sorted now. Debts are still being paid off, work is still going on to get bits of the ground reopen and so forth.

Had RM gone tail end of last season, we’d have secured a number of our top targets and probably wouldn’t be having this discussion.

None of that explains why we are doing so poorly with very much the same players and a larger squad. If the recruitment model is being observed then the departure of Cardwell and Kensdale after the season started should have been replaced like for like if the fabled white board is not a myth.

 

[Shrimper83]

I know people are entitled to there opinion but the amount of people that say if Maher goes they want Tilson back. A manager who was as bad tactically if not worse than Maher. Who got lucky having a striker like Freddie Eastwood shooting us up 2 leagues. Without Freddie we wouldn't of been promoted. He took us down two divisions aswell and made some very unsuccessful signings. He also went on to manage Lincoln and managed to get them relegated to National League. Hasn't managed in the league for 15 years and people want him? If Maher was to go there are plenty of managers about without being associated with the club before

 

[BoyWonder2]

None of that explains why we are doing so poorly with very much the same players and a larger squad. If the recruitment model is being observed then the departure of Cardwell and Kensdale after the season started should have been replaced like for like if the fabled white board is not a myth.

I mean people have given you lots of reasons, but you seem to be ignoring the ones given, so I’m out.

It seems you only want to criticise Kev, and blame all of our problems on him and no one else, which is your opinion and that’s fine, I obviously disagree. If you can’t see any fault in anything else then Kev, then I don’t understand it.

 

[BoyWonder2]

I know people are entitled to there opinion but the amount of people that say if Maher goes they want Tilson back. A manager who was as bad tactically if not worse than Maher. Who got lucky having a striker like Freddie Eastwood shooting us up 2 leagues. Without Freddie we wouldn't of been promoted. He took us down two divisions aswell and made some very unsuccessful signings. He also went on to manage Lincoln and managed to get them relegated to National League. Hasn't managed in the league for 15 years and people want him? If Maher was to go there are plenty of managers about without being associated with the club before

Has anybody even suggested Tilson as a potential replacement for Maher?

 

[* ORM *]

Off topic, but I will be glad when the pre match thread appears for FGR. Lots of good discussion and posts on here, but a bit like some TV channels, repeats are constantly appearing. And without doubt I'm feeling really miserable now.

You can say that again

 

[blues exile]

I mean people have given you lots of reasons, but you seem to be ignoring the ones given, so I’m out.

It seems you only want to criticise Kev, and blame all of our problems on him and no one else, which is your opinion and that’s fine, I obviously disagree. If you can’t see any fault in anything else then Kev, then I don’t understand it.

My comments are exclusively on the playing side and anything outside that should not be a factor especially as the players are being paid and have comfortable contracts. The results this season and the generally depressing standard of play are solely down to the coaches.

 

[BoyWonder2]

My comments are exclusively on the playing side and anything outside that should not be a factor especially as the players are being paid and have comfortable contracts. The results this season and the generally depressing standard of play are solely down to the coaches.

How can anything outside of the playing side not be a factor on the playing side? You mean nothing affects the players anymore because they are being paid? Having a team mate steal from them doesn’t affect them? Losing our best striker doesn’t affect them? Dave Martin leaving doesn’t affect Collin? The fact we between two training grounds, one of them not really fit for purpose anymore, and the other still isn’t ready doesn’t affect them?

So the “depressing standard of play” are solely down to the coaches? Nothing to do with the players on the pitch? Does that mean the good performances we’ve put on, like Eastleigh, Solihull Moors, Charlton etc are solely down to the coaches and the players don’t deserve credit for them?

Surely you cannot mean that.

 

[blues exile]

How can anything outside of the playing side not be a factor on the playing side? You mean nothing affects the players anymore because they are being paid? Having a team mate steal from them doesn’t affect them? Losing our best striker doesn’t affect them? Dave Martin leaving doesn’t affect Collin? The fact we between two training grounds, one of them not really fit for purpose anymore, and the other still isn’t ready doesn’t affect them?

So the “depressing standard of play” are solely down to the coaches? Nothing to do with the players on the pitch? Does that mean the good performances we’ve put on, like Eastleigh, Solihull Moors, Charlton etc are solely down to the coaches and the players don’t deserve credit for them?

Surely you cannot mean that.

If you care to read my post again rather than selectively quoting what it suits you I actually wrote 'generally depressing standard of play' as I admit there have been a few exceptions. However the overall performances have been poor and either it's because the players are not responding to how Maher wants them to play suggesting he has lost them or else they are indeed playing to instructions with sideways, backwards and sideways walking football which is not producing results. Either way of course it's the coaches responsibility, the rest is just distraction.

 

[Tommy2holes]

How can anything outside of the playing side not be a factor on the playing side? You mean nothing affects the players anymore because they are being paid? Having a team mate steal from them doesn’t affect them? Losing our best striker doesn’t affect them? Dave Martin leaving doesn’t affect Collin? The fact we between two training grounds, one of them not really fit for purpose anymore, and the other still isn’t ready doesn’t affect them?

So the “depressing standard of play” are solely down to the coaches? Nothing to do with the players on the pitch? Does that mean the good performances we’ve put on, like Eastleigh, Solihull Moors, Charlton etc are solely down to the coaches and the players don’t deserve credit for them?

Surely you cannot mean that.

Excuses excuses.

When will there be a time when we can't blame.

Ron martin
Pre season
Cosus arrival time
Mahers hands being tied
Players leaving
Theft of team mates

Imho non of the above is a reason for absolutely dreadful tactics, **** poor work rate, lack of effort etc etc

 

[BoyWonder2]

If you care to read my post again rather than selectively quoting what it suits you I actually wrote 'generally depressing standard of play' as I admit there have been a few exceptions. However the overall performances have been poor and either it's because the players are not responding to how Maher wants them to play suggesting he has lost them or else they are indeed playing to instructions with sideways, backwards and sideways walking football which is not producing results. Either way of course it's the coaches responsibility, the rest is just distraction.

Okay, so it’s all the coaches fault.

So, those good performances have all been because of the coaches?

The players deserve no praise and no criticism at all? Just want to clarify that.

 

[BoyWonder2]

Excuses excuses.

When will there be a time when we can't blame.

Ron martin
Pre season
Cosus arrival time
Mahers hands being tied
Players leaving
Theft of team mates

Imho non of the above is a reason for absolutely dreadful tactics, **** poor work rate, lack of effort etc etc

You say excuses, I say valid reasons, but again it’s a game of opinions.

Personally, next season. Assuming things don’t go wrong with embargoes etc, next summer will be Kev’s first uninterrupted summer/pre-season since he has been at the club. That’s staggering. Someone can point out if his “January windows” have been equally as impacted. And before people say, yes I know there is no January window.

You say that, but you could make a case for a **** poor work rate and lack of effort being part of a impacted pre-season. But that’s just an excuse…

 

[blues exile]

Okay, so it’s all the coaches fault.

So, those good performances have all been because of the coaches?

The players deserve no praise and no criticism at all? Just want to clarify that.

Suggest you re-read the post if you want clarification.

 

[Liam AAS]

None of that explains why we are doing so poorly with very much the same players and a larger squad. If the recruitment model is being observed then the departure of Cardwell and Kensdale after the season started should have been replaced like for like if the fabled white board is not a myth.

Dave Martin
Brooklyn Kabongolo
Jason Demetriou
Louis Lomas
Ollie Kensdale
Wes Fonguck
Mauro Vilhete
Callum Powell
Harry Cardwell

All no longer in the squad. You have been talking absolute rubbish.