Thanks Kev - but is a new manager needed?

[blues exile]

No one is saying that.

It’s a fact that the Kensdale situation completely rocked the club and the squad. It’s not the sole reason for the current situation, just read a number of posts. There has been plenty of good debate on this situation, and even those who are “Maher In”, like myself, aren’t saying that Maher has done nothing wrong.

With respect, your earlier post was devoted entiely to the Kensdale situation as the cause.

 

[BoyWonder2]

With respect, your earlier post was devoted entiely to the Kensdale situation as the cause.

I’m saying it’s a contributing factor, of which there are plenty, as to why we are where we are.

 

[thenobster]

Although the ‘keeps’ are ahead in the poll, the ‘go’s’ are still at 30%. That’s a whole lot more than if you’d done this poll a few weeks ago. Fickle supporters, and shows how quickly the love can go. The on the fencers, I dare say are only there because of the previous heroics during the darkest days.
I hope he pulls through the current slump, but football is like quicksand, once you’re in the slide down, the end result is pretty much inevitable.

 

[blues exile]

Although the ‘keeps’ are ahead in the poll, the ‘go’s’ are still at 30%. That’s a whole lot more than if you’d done this poll a few weeks ago. Fickle supporters, and shows how quickly the love can go. The on the fencers, I dare say are only there because of the previous heroics during the darkest days.
I hope he pulls through the current slump, but football is like quicksand, once you’re in the slide down, the end result is pretty much inevitable.

Nothing to do with being fickle. The current regime's shortcomings, always there but previously glossed over because of the overall situation, are now glaringly obvious. Maher and co cannot survive merely on past successes in the face of adversity, thry have taken us as far as they could but we will only get out of this league in the worst possible way if they are allowed to continue.

 

[danbowen]

I’m saying it’s a contributing factor, of which there are plenty, as to why we are where we are.

Out of interest - is Maher one of these contributing factors in your opinion? If so, what do you think he needs to change?

 

[RHB]

Nothing to do with being fickle. The current regime's shortcomings, always there but previously glossed over because of the overall situation, are now glaringly obvious. Maher and co cannot survive merely on past successes in the face of adversity, thry have taken us as far as they could but we will only get out of this league in the worst possible way if they are allowed to continue.

I'm assuming that's an opinion rather than a fact. The two do tend to get a bit blurred on the Zone.

 

[Jay_SUFC]

I cannot agree with Bridge, Miley or Husin not being up to standard. Bridge & Miley were two of our best players last year, and whilst they haven’t hit the heights this season, I wouldn’t be writing them off.

Husin blows hot and cold. On his day, he is fantastic, but he hasn’t been on his day for a while, bar the Charlton game.

Obviously it’s a game of opinions, but those three screamed out at me.

I would disagree that Miley was one of our best players last season. He was up until his injury, but he was pretty poor after that.

Prior to Saturday, I would have said our 5 form players were Taylor, Ralph, Morton, Coker and Bim, and shockingly 2 of those were left out.

I would also add what sort of message does that send the players - and what does this do to the confidence of both Morton and Coker.

That is only on one person I'm afraid and if Maher had acknowledged that, fair enough, but he blames everything else!

 

[BoyWonder2]

Out of interest - is Maher one of these contributing factors in your opinion? If so, what do you think he needs to change?

Yeah, of course.

Everyone has to share a portion of the blame, just like if everything was going well, everyone takes the credit. We win as a team and lose as a team.

A couple of wins and everyone is happy, a couple of defeats and everyone is upset. Kev needs a win, but don’t forget before the Charlton game we were four unbeaten. We’ve then lost with 10 men (wrongly sent off too with the decision overturned) and away at Alty, and the reaction has been over the top in my opinion.

We need to go back to basics, like we did in the four unbeaten. Make us difficult to score against, make us more solid. We are a team in transition, and whilst that’s the case, we will be inconsistent. We will lose games and we will win some, may even draw a couple too.

 

[BoyWonder2]

I would disagree that Miley was one of our best players last season. He was up until his injury, but he was pretty poor after that.

Prior to Saturday, I would have said our 5 form players were Taylor, Ralph, Morton, Coker and Bim, and shockingly 2 of those were left out.

I would also add what sort of message does that send the players - and what does this do to the confidence of both Morton and Coker.

That is only on one person I'm afraid and if Maher had acknowledged that, fair enough, but he blames everything else!

That’s fair enough. I’m a huge fan of Miley, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. That’s why we love the game and SZ is popular.

I’d agree on those 5 too.

I’m sure Kev, in private, will admit he got things slightly wrong. I’m told that Moncur impressed in training, and Kev felt he could be a difference maker, and then added Miley as he is more defensively sound that Morton or Coker.

Sometimes, as a manager, who get an inkling, a feeling that something may work and you try it. This occasion it didn’t work, but had we won 2-0 and Moncur and or Miley were involved in the goals, everyone says what a genius decision. Such fine margins in football.

What we don’t know is what goes on behind doors. Maybe something happened with Coker & Morton we don’t know about. Maybe they trained poorly, maybe they picked up knocks, maybe Kev wanted to try something different.

 

[Cricko]

That’s fair enough. I’m a huge fan of Miley, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. That’s why we love the game and SZ is popular.

I’d agree on those 5 too.

I’m sure Kev, in private, will admit he got things slightly wrong. I’m told that Moncur impressed in training, and Kev felt he could be a difference maker, and then added Miley as he is more defensively sound that Morton or Coker.

Sometimes, as a manager, who get an inkling, a feeling that something may work and you try it. This occasion it didn’t work, but had we won 2-0 and Moncur and or Miley were involved in the goals, everyone says what a genius decision. Such fine margins in football.

What we don’t know is what goes on behind doors. Maybe something happened with Coker & Morton we don’t know about. Maybe they trained poorly, maybe they picked up knocks, maybe Kev wanted to try something different.

His opening point was it is about squad rotation which seems a bit far fetched at our level with 1 game a week atm. IMO you play your best in form players if fit whenever possible, in this case he made a balls up.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1857788858277966335

 

[BoyWonder2]

Although the ‘keeps’ are ahead in the poll, the ‘go’s’ are still at 30%. That’s a whole lot more than if you’d done this poll a few weeks ago. Fickle supporters, and shows how quickly the love can go. The on the fencers, I dare say are only there because of the previous heroics during the darkest days.
I hope he pulls through the current slump, but football is like quicksand, once you’re in the slide down, the end result is pretty much inevitable.

It’s two league games. We were unbeaten in four before then.

Don’t forget, at a stage last season we were in a similar position, weren’t we only out of the drop zone on goal difference at a stage possibly a bit later in the season then now?

Obviously we had the points deduction, but I remember people getting twitchy then. Kev turn it around and we’d have made the playoffs without the deduction.

 

[BoyWonder2]

His opening point was it is about squad rotation which seems a bit far fetched at our level with 1 game a week atm. IMO you play your best in from players if fit whenever possible, in this case he made a balls up.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1857788858277966335

If something had happened with Coker or Morton, and I’m not suggesting anything did, he’d hardly come out and say that they’ve been dropped as they did X, Y, Z.

Don’t forget, when the Kensdale situation happened, Kev said that Kensdale was “ill” and people got upset because he didn’t tell the truth.

 

[Cricko]

If something had happened with Coker or Morton, and I’m not suggesting anything did, he’d hardly come out and say that they’ve been dropped as they did X, Y, Z.

Don’t forget, when the Kensdale situation happened, Kev said that Kensdale was “ill” and people got upset because he didn’t tell the truth.

I don't think you can compare the two, Kensdale was a completely different situation. Kev often comes out with statements about a certain playing pulling up in training or carrying a knock from a previous game. I don't think there is anyway to defend him on this occasion as much as i would like to.

It's done now of course and we can hope lessons have been learned.

 

[BoyWonder2]

I don't think you can compare the two, Kensdale was a completely different situation. Kev often comes out with statements about a certain playing pulling up in training or carrying a knock from a previous game. I don't think there is anyway to defend him on this occasion as much as i would like to.

I’m just saying.

It could be a “punishment” that they’ve dropped to the bench because they had a scuffle at training for example.

I was told it was because of how Moncur trained and Miley was there to do the defensive work. Again, whether that’s true, we don’t know. Only Kev knows.

Thing is, Kev has got team selections wrong in the past, as has every manager in the world. He’ll get more wrong going forward, as will every manager in the world.

Some are saying it’s unforgivable dropping Morton & Coker, and that is a huge overreaction.

 

[blues exile]

The inescapable fact is that we are only just above the drop zone with a tough fixture list coming up. Goals are few and far between, no cutting edge, dreadful standard of crossing and balls into the box and there are frequent defensive lapses costing points. The way Maher has the team playing like a pound shop Man City will never produce consistent results in this league. That is the big picture regardless of team selection.

 

[Piledriver]

That’s fair enough. I’m a huge fan of Miley, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. That’s why we love the game and SZ is popular.

I’d agree on those 5 too.

I’m sure Kev, in private, will admit he got things slightly wrong. I’m told that Moncur impressed in training, and Kev felt he could be a difference maker, and then added Miley as he is more defensively sound that Morton or Coker.

Sometimes, as a manager, who get an inkling, a feeling that something may work and you try it. This occasion it didn’t work, but had we won 2-0 and Moncur and or Miley were involved in the goals, everyone says what a genius decision. Such fine margins in football.

What we don’t know is what goes on behind doors. Maybe something happened with Coker & Morton we don’t know about. Maybe they trained poorly, maybe they picked up knocks, maybe Kev wanted to try something different.

And when it was patently obvious that it wasn't working , you would stick with it until 2 ( could easily been 3 or 4) nil down would you, because thats what people saw. That type of decision making is not just stubborn just not good enough.

 

[ColinMorrisWalksOnWater]

On dropping Coker and Morton, Kev would have had to weigh up the performances in the two recent games at least, where together they had been our most consistent midfield performers and Coker being the only midfielder who gets into the box to support the forwards and Mortons ability as a deep lying playmaker. Against what he had seen in training from Moncur and Miley.

Even against Yeovil, we looked solid enough with 10 men against 11 and conceded the goal from an intended cross.

Kev would then taken into account we are facing an away game at a ground where we don't do particularly well against a team that had scored well in their last two games. So I really do understand why he went ahead and made changes, even though they didn't work out and l personally wouldn't have made both, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

For me, and it's my opinion, I would not have dropped both, but possibly one if training performances had been particularly stunning from either Miley or Moncur.

But, after seeing that first half display, l would have definitely put one of Morton or Coker on at Half time, but to have seen no real change and start making subs after Alty, brings my biggest question regarding Saturday and has caused my wobble of faith. 10 minutes was long enough to see we were having no impact in the final third yet we carried on same old same old while their novice keeper sat in his deckchair reading his paper watching balls fly 40 foot above his head across the box.

If that wasn't a cue to change something, l don't know what Kev was waiting for. Making changes after Altrincham's kept us on the back foot, as they were reacting to Alty's tactics, which had subtly changed with the sub they made, which again diluted the effect of ours.

As l say, just my opinion, but showed Kev is still learning, and hopefully he will take something out of Saturday of use for us in the future, but my faith has been dented, as it is not the first time we have been chasing a game and still not made any positive impact on it.

I still want Kev to succeed and lead us out of this division, I never thought it would be this season for the record, but I need to see a change for the positive to restore my faith.

Sorry but that's where l am.

 

[blues exile]

I'm assuming that's an opinion rather than a fact. The two do tend to get a bit blurred on the Zone.

Of course it is an opinion, facts are in the league table and the sequence of results, which tends to support my opinion.

 

[Hampshire Shrimp]

We were never set up to have a go at Altrincham, his cautious approach was hoping to get a draw and maybe bring on players later if and when they tired? We were warned about Moncur from posters from their site that he had lost his interest in football and was way off the pace. They got berated by some people on here saying that the 3 amigos would get him going again? FFS, the quicker he gets out of our team the better? That`s what you get from a desperation signing, which is not the route I`d expect us to take with all the scouts and taking a good look at players we bring in.

Maher dropped 2 in form players to shoehorn in Moncur who apparently impressed during training and Miley who is coming back from injury. His set up and tactics are woeful, he doesn`t adapt to the opposition real time, if it isn`t working then you have to counter their set up, switch players, you have to be looking real time. We get the subs on too late always around the 60 mins. If Moncur has let him down, we shouldn`t see him again, hopefully, let`s get the best players in the positions and have a go, that`s what we want to see. If we lose fine, but at least we have had a go.

All down to Maher, in fact all 3 coaches.

 

[Hampshire Shrimp]

I’m just saying.

It could be a “punishment” that they’ve dropped to the bench because they had a scuffle at training for example.

I was told it was because of how Moncur trained and Miley was there to do the defensive work. Again, whether that’s true, we don’t know. Only Kev knows.

Thing is, Kev has got team selections wrong in the past, as has every manager in the world. He’ll get more wrong going forward, as will every manager in the world.

Some are saying it’s unforgivable dropping Morton & Coker, and that is a huge overreaction.

He got it wrong, it backfired on him, we lost the game easily, and you think it`s a huge overreaction?
Everybody, bar Maher would have played the in form players that have done it in matches!?