Thanks Kev - but is a new manager needed?

[shrimperjon]

Miley not up to standard? Wow

think he means at the moment. He has been poor since his return albeit a few minutes here and there. Saturday he was woeful and his attempt to tackle for the first goal was embarrassing to say the least. We all love Cav and we know he is a good player he has proven that but its disrespectful to drop the likes of Coker and Morton who have done little wrong and start Miley and Moncur. Interestingly someone said Saturday that in the old days when you had proper reserve teams players that needed minutes and coming back from injury would get minutes this way. That doesnt happen anymore so the only way Kev can get minutes in their legs is to play matches. I get that but he got it massively wrong Saturday. How does Husin keep getting picked. Again a good player but woefully out of form

 

[shrimperjon]

I agree that the line up was wrong on Saturday. I found it strange, but the only people will know why he did that is Kev and the amigos. Maybe they performed the best in training? Maybe it was an inkling that it was a game that need a bit more steel in Miley and a bit more creativity in Moncur? Maybe it was a case of freshening the starting line up up.

It obviously didn’t work, but had we won 2-0 instead of losing 2-0, Kev is a genius especially if them two score.

Fine margins in football.

it didt work. But with the new rule of 5 subs why not change it at HT? Maybe bring two on for example. Where i do defend him is that he cant be responsible for individual errors. Gus has been woeful since he missed the Rochdale game. His crossing was awful saturday. Bridge is so far off it its embarrassing. Twice we broke away and rather than take his FB on one on one he stopped and went backwards. Alty broke at pace and attacked us. Husin hardly played one forward pass and bottled a challenge on the edge of their penalty area. 20 secs later its 2-0. the defending for the first goal starting with Miley missing a tackle in midfield in their half was u9s at best and in fact an u9 team may have defended better. Moncur should never play for us again. He offers nothing

What im saying is kev has to take the blame for Saturday in part as he set up the team wrong and his selections were very questionable. the players also individually need to look at themsleves. too many are not playing at the levels expected. We seem to be missing the spark. Where is the fight from last season?

 

[BoyWonder2]

it didt work. But with the new rule of 5 subs why not change it at HT? Maybe bring two on for example. Where i do defend him is that he cant be responsible for individual errors. Gus has been woeful since he missed the Rochdale game. His crossing was awful saturday. Bridge is so far off it its embarrassing. Twice we broke away and rather than take his FB on one on one he stopped and went backwards. Alty broke at pace and attacked us. Husin hardly played one forward pass and bottled a challenge on the edge of their penalty area. 20 secs later its 2-0. the defending for the first goal starting with Miley missing a tackle in midfield in their half was u9s at best and in fact an u9 team may have defended better. Moncur should never play for us again. He offers nothing

What im saying is kev has to take the blame for Saturday in part as he set up the team wrong and his selections were very questionable. the players also individually need to look at themsleves. too many are not playing at the levels expected. We seem to be missing the spark. Where is the fight from last season?

Exactly what I’m saying.

Kev does shoulder some blame, he has made questionable choices at times, but the players (bar Moncur and Bonne) seem to be immune to criticism from some on here.

The fight from last season is missing because the common enemy has gone. It shouldn’t be that way, but it is. Same as why the atmosphere at Roots Hall, bar the Charlton game, has been a lot flatter.

 

[BEERMONSTER]

You are most probably close to the truth, but without a poll this thread could well produce a false negative given the number of dissatisfied posts on display.

It's interesting how the voting has gone. The need for change opinions came storming out of the blocks Saturday only to be overtaken by Kev needs to be given more time. Yes a percentage of undecided but in it's own way that indicates at the moment the heart for change is not there!
I have not been surprised how this has been evolving as this is very indicative of the make up of SZ.
We have some very passionate posters, yes arguably for some the sniff of negativity brings them out quicker than a shark smelling blood and any positivity passes them by like a Vegan and a Burger van. Then there are those who's passion is the football, pure and simple, yes they understand the need for the whole sustainability bit but what about the football? I am not entertained and that's what I pay my money for! Which is a justified stance and should be respected.
Others feel that what is happening on the pitch has manifested itself from all the issues the Club has faced and although undoubtedly disappointed with our current standing are able to live with it for now and at least into next season.
I believe this is very much the current stance of the 'silent majority'
It's also interesting that Kev's future has been the topic of debate on a couple of FB groups, plenty of non SZ world views on display and whilst there is no polls the vast majority of 'sensible' postings both for and against still currently lean to Kev being given more time.

 

[duncan bulgaria]

For me i do like Kev however are there other managers out there that could do a better job , of course there is and we are just blinkered if we think he is the only man out there that can bring us success
, I always try and judge league standings on Wage bill and generally that ends up determining where teams should finish , if you use that purely as a starting point then we are well under performing and Maher has recruited this team now , its not Moselys or Ron's .....its Kev's

the thing that has peeved me most is the style of play , i no longer gt excited watching us, i always think back to the Barnet away game 18 month ago where we look absolute class and i thought 2 more additions and we walk this league - barring the Eastleigh game i cant recall walking away from a game saying we have played well

The balance is wrong , he doen;t seem to know his best 11 and hes tinkering too much whilst making mistakes at the same time, he is still a fairly inexperienced manager and it does show at times .......stubborness will either make or break you in this game and i cant be bothered to find a previous post of mine around 4 months back where i predicted this would be his toughest test this season

I'm just about still in the 'lets not panic just yet' category but 3 more dross performances and it could get interesting - i wonder what Stan would say if he was still here , his departure has gone hand in hand with our small demise

 

[Tommy2holes]

What we going to talk about after we smash FGR then ? Top of the league, youre having a laugh.

Lets face it, only 373 went and saw the game Saturday, most of us are giving our views about player's performances having not even see their latest efforts. I think a few come on here to sound off. Me included sometimes !

Not true loads watched on TV.

I also watched FGR tear York a new one.

They are everything we are not.

Solid, attacking, pacey and can afford to have cardwell not even get a game.

 

[PIERS]

If this ‘style’ of football is our culture now, then I fear we are 1, maybe 2 years off the pace already compared to how other teams play now.. if we are wedded to it , then it’s going to be a long slog ..
Notts county did it, but player for player,were a league if not 2 above the conference

 

[GBJ]

What I'm getting at, is it easier to be positive if you only watch a few matches. I'm just wondering if the Kev out guys are saying that, because they have had the misfortune to watch everything.
Would be interesting to find out?

Have missed a handful of home games during Maher’s tenure and seen umpteen away games too, albeit nowhere near as many as home games.

I’m very much in the “Kev in” club. Not because I enjoy the football on display, (I often don’t) but I believe the path to success runs smoother with Kev at the helm. That may change at some point, but that’s what it is right now.

 

[Shrimperjohn]

We need to be honest with some of the players. Despite their loyalty and past heroics, some are just not at the standard that most fans expect. I genuinely don't believe Maher is the issue

Zach Jeacock1G
Collin Andeng-Ndi30G

Gus Scott-Morriss2 D
Nathan Ralph3 D
George Wind4 D
Adam Crowther5 D
Joseph Gubbins15 D
Harry Taylor16 D

Jack Bridge7 M
Noor Husin8 M
Jack Wood14 M
Cavanagh Miley17 M
George Moncur20 M
Keenan Appiah-Forson22 M
James Morton23 M
Mikey Faulkner26 M
Beau Macdonald27 M
Oliver Coker28 M

Macauley Bonne9 F
Danny Waldron10 F
Josh Walker11 F
Aribim Pepple19 F

Green up to standard
Red is not up to standard
Yellow Has potential / On the fence

This is a great summary and I agree with the ratings . With only ‘4’ up to standard players is it any surprise we are where we are …

 

[Piledriver]

If this ‘style’ of football is our culture now, then I fear we are 1, maybe 2 years off the pace already compared to how other teams play now.. if we are wedded to it , then it’s going to be a long slog ..
Notts county did it, but player for player,were a league if not 2 above the conference

And that was due to williams clearing out half the squad keeping the best and carefully adding real quality especially a goal scoring pair and playing to their strengths.

 

[Lincoln Shrimp]

Personally I think Saturday was last chance saloon for Moncur. Kev made reference pre-match that Moncur had impressed/ shown a real desire all week in training. Kev rewarded him with a start hoping he would offer that creative spark that might tip the result in our favour.
I think he felt that Cav and Husin were his two most trusted to offer the necessary protection defensively to compensate for GM's inclusion.
The fact that Moncur failed to contribute anything of note for the 60 odd minutes he was on the pitch would have driven Kev mad. I don't see any more chances coming his way. He let KM down big time.

I think it's time to see a midfield three of Morton, Coker and KAF on Saturday.
KAF has been used sparingly so far, but now needs to be given the opportunity from the start so the management can see whether he has what it takes to take us forward.

I also hope we'll see a front two of Pepple and Bonne as they currently offer more than any other partnership we've tried so far this season.

 

[Callumturner22]

Personally I think Saturday was last chance saloon for Moncur. Kev made reference pre-match that Moncur had impressed/ shown a real desire all week in training. Kev rewarded him with a start hoping he would offer that creative spark that might tip the result in our favour.
I think he felt that Cav and Husin were his two most trusted to offer the necessary protection defensively to compensate for GM's inclusion.
The fact that Moncur failed to contribute anything of note for the 60 odd minutes he was on the pitch would have driven Kev mad. I don't see any more chances coming his way. He let KM down big time.

I think it's time to see a midfield three of Morton, Coker and KAF on Saturday.
KAF has been used sparingly so far, but now needs to be given the opportunity from the start so the management can see whether he has what it takes to take us forward.

I also hope we'll see a front two of Pepple and Bonne as they currently offer more than any other partnership we've tried so far this season.

What the odds on sending him back in Jan for Moncur .

 

[leeblue]

Exactly what I’m saying.

Kev does shoulder some blame, he has made questionable choices at times, but the players (bar Moncur and Bonne) seem to be immune to criticism from some on here.

The fight from last season is missing because the common enemy has gone. It shouldn’t be that way, but it is. Same as why the atmosphere at Roots Hall, bar the Charlton game, has been a lot flatter.

Wild suggestion incoming.....I agree with you on most things. Do you think a mass turnaround of playing staff is needed, as you say the common enemy is gone and the peacetime play is way off the mark. Also your thoughts on the Kensdale situation really affected things on a much bigger scale than is known....for example the players approached kev some time before it all came to a head and they had to take it upon themselves to conclude the sorry affair.

 

[BoyWonder2]

Wild suggestion incoming.....I agree with you on most things. Do you think a mass turnaround of playing staff is needed, as you say the common enemy is gone and the peacetime play is way off the mark. Also your thoughts on the Kensdale situation really affected things on a much bigger scale than is known....for example the players approached kev some time before it all came to a head and they had to take it upon themselves to conclude the sorry affair.

Not necessarily a mass turnaround, but the squad definitely needs freshening up, and Kev is hoping to doing outgoings as well as incomings. Our outgoings will probably be affected by our incomings. For example, if we get in a new creative midfielder, and we are able to send Moncur back we might, but if we can’t, we may keep him.

Kev was incredibly hurt by the Kensdale situation. Kev is someone who leant money to Kensdale to help him out, and some players helped too, so it was a massive betrayal of everyone’s trust. Kev was proud of the tight knit group they had created, but Kensdale shattered that with what he did.

The players were the ones who caught Kensdale out. @Medway Blue explain the situation well, and I won’t go over old ground with it.

Although, on the pitch, I think Cardwell was the bigger loss, Kensdale’s actions were a bigger detriment to the club and the squad.

 

[BoyWonder2]

What the odds on sending him back in Jan for Moncur .

I think that would depend on a few things.

1) Can we replace him.
2) Are we able to. Some loans have a break clause. I’m not 100% sure if ours does or doesn’t.
3) His form between now and then. If he replicates his form from earlier in his career and increases his goal contribution output, we might not want to.

 

[kentblues]

Not true loads watched on TV.

I also watched FGR tear York a new one.

They are everything we are not.

Solid, attacking, pacey and can afford to have cardwell not even get a game.

Easier when money is no object and you can outspend your competition ( not a scenario we will enjoy some would say quite rightly)…

 

[Callumturner22]

I think that would depend on a few things.

1) Can we replace him.
2) Are we able to. Some loans have a break clause. I’m not 100% sure if ours does or doesn’t.
3) His form between now and then. If he replicates his form from earlier in his career and increases his goal contribution output, we might not want to.

Very good points for sure it be interesting to see what happens either way with him .

 

[leeblue]

Not necessarily a mass turnaround, but the squad definitely needs freshening up, and Kev is hoping to doing outgoings as well as incomings. Our outgoings will probably be affected by our incomings. For example, if we get in a new creative midfielder, and we are able to send Moncur back we might, but if we can’t, we may keep him.

Kev was incredibly hurt by the Kensdale situation. Kev is someone who leant money to Kensdale to help him out, and some players helped too, so it was a massive betrayal of everyone’s trust. Kev was proud of the tight knit group they had created, but Kensdale shattered that with what he did.

The players were the ones who caught Kensdale out. @Medway Blue explain the situation well, and I won’t go over old ground with it.

Although, on the pitch, I think Cardwell was the bigger loss, Kensdale’s actions were a bigger detriment to the club and the squad.

Yeah it's exactly how I see it tbh. Hard to build up such comraderie and togetherness yet so easy to smash it all to pieces, I will always stand by the view that Kensdale was our best player. Arghgjjggh so frustrating. Patience still the key word.