talksport this morning

[DTS]

I dont buy all these stories about a positive story to come out of the Revell transfer.

If Ron Martin wanted to sell Macca he had the perfect cover story saying that Sawyer would be replacing him and the club would be looking to do a deal with Chelsea in Jan to replace him on a perm.

That would have appeased most fans who understand that money must come before the team ultimately.

 

[Mick]

I dont buy all these stories about a positive story to come out of the Revell transfer.

If Ron Martin wanted to sell Macca he had the perfect cover story saying that Sawyer would be replacing him and the club would be looking to do a deal with Chelsea in Jan to replace him on a perm.

That would have appeased most fans who understand that money must come before the team ultimately.

"Appeased" ? I'd have been delighted. Solid pro as Macca has been, Sawyer has a decent future in the game. In a couple of years Sawyer could be a very good footballer and Macca could be playing at a lower level. Sawyer has most of his career in front of him, Macca has most of his behind him.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

One thing we surely all agree on (until it all goes t*ts up next week) is that Ron is not stupid!

Edited for clarity...

 

[philtalkin]

Not stupid ?

He invested in a football club. That's stupid unless you are a multi millionaire with millions as loose cash

According to some he will make a fortune from the sale of Roots Hall and will gain from the developments at FF......

 

[philtalkin]

Edited for clarity...

Ha ha.

There are plenty of smart people out there who have had businesses that have gone t*ts up!

My old boss is worth 600 mill now, but went bust in the 80's.

 

[EastStandBlue]

How much of an impact this has I'm not sure, But I do know for a fact that RM has sounded out local businessmen who've had an affinity with the club about the possibility of stumping up some funds... Labelling it as a "share issue" in the new Stadium for future profit. The person I spoke to who'd been offered this certainly thought the club were struggling to stump up the cash for the HMRC.

 

[ElstreeBlue]

Ha ha.

There are plenty of smart people out there who have had businesses that have gone t*ts up!

My old boss is worth 600 mill now, but went bust in the 80's.

On how good terms are you with this old boss? Does he fancy a bit of fame and kudos taking a nice little friendly football club from the third tier to Europe within 10 seasons?

 

[GNH]

A brief history of time (AKA the SUFC saga) as I see it from my uneducated point of view!

A Football club, as many do, finds itself in financial trouble. A property delelopment company looks into procuring the football club and sees that a plans for a new ground could be submitted to help the club achieve long term sustainability. This would mean initially investing millions of pounds into the club to stabalise the finances which they would not realistically not expect to see repaid, however this stability would allow for the plans for a new ground to be drawn up and eventually approved. By undertaking this building work and redeveloping the current site occupied by the club the developers would stand to make a substantial profit making the initial decision a sound business plan.

An unforseen chain of economic circumstances lead to the delay and even possible postponement of the new ground and the cost of this redevelopment spirals. On top of this the debts owed by the football club to various parties mount up and require another substatial investment from the parent company. Now without the guarantee of making a return on your investment the developers are reluctant to plough more money into the club to continue its liquidity and survival and a decision has to be made whether to cut your losses before it becomes a vast money pit, which translates into no money to invest in players or pay staff wages thus putting the existance of the football club in jeopardy.

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

A brief history of time (AKA the SUFC saga) as I see it from my uneducated point of view!

A Football club, as many do, finds itself in financial trouble. A property delelopment company looks into procuring the football club and sees that a plans for a new ground could be submitted to help the club achieve long term sustainability. This would mean initially investing millions of pounds into the club to stabalise the finances which they would not realistically not expect to see repaid, however this stability would allow for the plans for a new ground to be drawn up and eventually approved. By undertaking this building work and redeveloping the current site occupied by the club the developers would stand to make a substantial profit making the initial decision a sound business plan.

An unforseen chain of economic circumstances lead to the delay and even possible postponement of the new ground and the cost of this redevelopment spirals. On top of this the debts owed by the football club to various parties mount up and require another substatial investment from the parent company. Now without the guarantee of making a return on your investment the developers are reluctant to plough more money into the club to continue its liquidity and survival and a decision has to be made whether to cut your losses before it becomes a vast money pit, which translates into no money to invest in players or pay staff wages thus putting the existance of the football club in jeopardy.

Yep. That's pretty much how it looks to me too.

Matt

 

[McNasty]

A brief history of time (AKA the SUFC saga) as I see it from my uneducated point of view!

A Football club, as many do, finds itself in financial trouble. A property delelopment company looks into procuring the football club and sees that a plans for a new ground could be submitted to help the club achieve long term sustainability. This would mean initially investing millions of pounds into the club to stabalise the finances which they would not realistically not expect to see repaid, however this stability would allow for the plans for a new ground to be drawn up and eventually approved. By undertaking this building work and redeveloping the current site occupied by the club the developers would stand to make a substantial profit making the initial decision a sound business plan.

An unforseen chain of economic circumstances lead to the delay and even possible postponement of the new ground and the cost of this redevelopment spirals. On top of this the debts owed by the football club to various parties mount up and require another substatial investment from the parent company. Now without the guarantee of making a return on your investment the developers are reluctant to plough more money into the club to continue its liquidity and survival and a decision has to be made whether to cut your losses before it becomes a vast money pit, which translates into no money to invest in players or pay staff wages thus putting the existance of the football club in jeopardy.

Spot on mate, as everything seems to hang on planning permission do you think the parent company are reluctant (or able) to put more money in, in case it all goes bad with the last bit of council approval ?

 

[GNH]

Spot on mate, as everything seems to hang on planning permission do you think the parent company are reluctant (or able) to put more money in, in case it all goes bad with the last bit of council approval ?

Absolutely. They are business men after all and they have not got the company in the position it is now by throwing good money after bad on the premise that something "might" happen. Im sure they are able to invest just unwilling (with good reason)

 

[philtalkin]

On how good terms are you with this old boss? Does he fancy a bit of fame and kudos taking a nice little friendly football club from the third tier to Europe within 10 seasons?

I did mention it to him, but he is Dutch and a little bit deaf.

Aparently, he has just made an offer to buy Morecombe.

 

[shrimpled]

On the whole Macca thing i have been lead to believe there was a bid. The bid wasn't too far from what we wanted and Ron let Macca go to the Den to sort out contracts and stuff while he continued to sort out the cash for us. Later on in the day Ron then increased the amount we wanted dramatically and Millwall pulled the plug - much the annoyance of a certain irishman...

 

[Andy_S]

I also believe there was a McCormack bid.

On the subject of the stadium, when is the next hurdle set for?

 

[blue shrimp]

On the whole Macca thing i have been lead to believe there was a bid. The bid wasn't too far from what we wanted and Ron let Macca go to the Den to sort out contracts and stuff while he continued to sort out the cash for us. Later on in the day Ron then increased the amount we wanted dramatically and Millwall pulled the plug - much the annoyance of a certain irishman...

How much did Millwall offer?50k 75k 100k would be top value for Macca,I suppose any bid for the player would of been better than nothing and gets him off the wage bill.

 

[Reg Martin]

A brief history of time (AKA the SUFC saga) as I see it from my uneducated point of view!

A Football club, as many do, finds itself in financial trouble. A property delelopment company looks into procuring the football club and sees that a plans for a new ground could be submitted to help the club achieve long term sustainability. This would mean initially investing millions of pounds into the club to stabalise the finances which they would not realistically not expect to see repaid, however this stability would allow for the plans for a new ground to be drawn up and eventually approved. By undertaking this building work and redeveloping the current site occupied by the club the developers would stand to make a substantial profit making the initial decision a sound business plan.

An unforseen chain of economic circumstances lead to the delay and even possible postponement of the new ground and the cost of this redevelopment spirals. On top of this the debts owed by the football club to various parties mount up and require another substatial investment from the parent company. Now without the guarantee of making a return on your investment the developers are reluctant to plough more money into the club to continue its liquidity and survival and a decision has to be made whether to cut your losses before it becomes a vast money pit, which translates into no money to invest in players or pay staff wages thus putting the existance of the football club in jeopardy.

I think that's about right and before reading this I had just made a post along similar lines on the Winding Up thread - people are looking for conspiracy theories and cover-ups but the truth is far more mundane.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

There was definitely a bid, although Ron may have embellished the truth slightly, in that the amount offered and the amount we wanted may be somewhat 'cloudy'.

If there wasn't a bid, Ron would have said 'An unamed league One club', in order to avoid any backlash / denials from Millwall.

One thing we surely all agree on is that Ron is not stupid!

A lot of clubs don't mind having their name linked with players, even if there is little truth in the rumours. Both the bidding team and the team rejecting the bid come over as ambitious and lots of chairman see that as a good thing.

I dont buy all these stories about a positive story to come out of the Revell transfer.

If Ron Martin wanted to sell Macca he had the perfect cover story saying that Sawyer would be replacing him and the club would be looking to do a deal with Chelsea in Jan to replace him on a perm.

That would have appeased most fans who understand that money must come before the team ultimately.

That would be a hostage to fortune and would be thrust back if we failed to sign Sawyer. I don't think Ron is stupid enough to say that.

 

[DTS]

That would be a hostage to fortune and would be thrust back if we failed to sign Sawyer. I don't think Ron is stupid enough to say that.[/QUOTE]


Pefect get out of jail now and come Jan make up an excuse about Chelsea not wanting to sell etc....