Breaking News SZ & Trust meeting with RM Tuesday.

[onceknownasrab]

But everyone is saying "He won't pay the bills" when in reality he can't pay them as there isn't enough money to pay all the bills as they fall due. That's a general football problem, not a Ron problem.

But we, as fans, have the power to rectify that situation. What you're saying (correctly) is that more people come to watch a winning and successful team. But when the club is in the mire, as we are, then what's wrong with the "fans" of that club that they profess to love beyond anything else, coming out to support the club regardless of playing performances? What we need is people attending to help the club financially and forget about the entertainment. People need to attend to keep the club afloat and solvent. Then, if we get the embargo lifted, the players will come and the rest will follow.

We are in a situation now where our club has gone beyond that of simply being in the entertainment business and it's needs the fans support more than ever to survive.

So please, to the stay aways, if you say you care about the club you love and want to see it continue, turn up at the games and do your bit.

Its not that simple. I care about the club and most on here will probably agree that I generally err on the side of RM. I don't miss games just because of RM and I seriously doubt any substantial number have.

But your impassioned plea for fans to turn up is questionable. We are told to 'back the boys' or 'turn up' and why? We get to see a football game that as far as the club is concerned is no more and no less than they are obliged to provide for the cost of a ticket. They want us to do more but do less themselves.

If the fan is so important then treat them that way. With respect and consideration.

The club is a business but also more than that. It has history and is ingrained into many people. We had a covenant because of the foresight of many and now we are on the brink of being moved to what? A three sided stadium that is a hurdle or stepping stone for RM to build his retail dream.

If he wants anymore support from me then he has to give something in return and for me that is the transference of the covenant. About the only transfer he can do.

A lot of fans say he is not going to build a stadium, albeit 3 sides, and let it go to waste. I hope not but I want a guarantee, like the one at RH, that it will be for SUFC.

The stadium could become the home for any sport. Who knows? But for me you reap what you sow. If the club sows a few seeds of respect, they will get more support. Why is it so hard for RM or anyone to accept the simple task of granting a new covenant. If the clubs intentions are honorable then it will be no skin of their nose.

 

[Westcliff Shrimper]

Exactly. It was good stuff at times. If we had Hall and Corr playing we would have won 7-0.

Really Naps? Who would you have dropped to accommodate them?

 

[dannypav]

Not sure if this the right thread to use , but it's not worth starting a new one for this.
I was thinking ( dangerous I know ) if there are any ways to generate more income for the club and have a question for those that know these things.
I understand that Arsenal reserves/U21's play their games at Barnets ground , and I assume that Arsenal pay them something for this ??
If that is correct , could we not propose this to West Ham ( again assuming they don't already do it with another club ) ?
I know that the Prem League clubs don't like their beloved turf being churned up by the reserve teams.
As I say , I have no idea if this is feasable or not , but wondered if anyone else did.

 

[Westcliff Shrimper]

Not sure if this the right thread to use , but it's not worth starting a new one for this.
I was thinking ( dangerous I know ) if there are any ways to generate more income for the club and have a question for those that know these things.
I understand that Arsenal reserves/U21's play their games at Barnets ground , and I assume that Arsenal pay them something for this ??
If that is correct , could we not propose this to West Ham ( again assuming they don't already do it with another club ) ?
I know that the Prem League clubs don't like their beloved turf being churned up by the reserve teams.
As I say , I have no idea if this is feasable or not , but wondered if anyone else did.

We did this a long time ago with Wet Sham's reserves. Let's not go there again...

 

[Mick]

Not sure if this the right thread to use , but it's not worth starting a new one for this.
I was thinking ( dangerous I know ) if there are any ways to generate more income for the club and have a question for those that know these things.
I understand that Arsenal reserves/U21's play their games at Barnets ground , and I assume that Arsenal pay them something for this ??
If that is correct , could we not propose this to West Ham ( again assuming they don't already do it with another club ) ?
I know that the Prem League clubs don't like their beloved turf being churned up by the reserve teams.
As I say , I have no idea if this is feasable or not , but wondered if anyone else did.

I believe West Ham use the Rush Green Stadium, shared with Grays.

 

[fbm]

Maybe the fans don't believe the figures that are quoted that RM claims to put in himself each month, maybe the fans don't believe that their £20 would directly benefit the club, maybe the fans see a web of companies designed to hide the truth.

1 - What difference would it make to fans whether they believe Ron puts in £1 or £100,000 a month? I can't see the relevance.

2 - If you support a football team and buy a ticket to see the match, the money goes somewhere. A team with no supporters has no money. A team with lots of supporters has more money. Simple maths.

3 - There is a web of companies, as there is with many big businesses. Nothing unusual there, it's not a crime. The truth is that we are broke as a club and need money. What do you think the truth is?


I repeat - as fans, we can "support" the team. I have a season ticket and have had for about 20 years. I always buy a programme, even though my eyesight doesn't allow me to read it at the match unless I bring my glasses which, due to my age, I generally forget and then when I get home it goes in a drawer. I usually buy a drink and choccy bar, choosing to ignore the pies and burgers on health grounds (I made an exception last Saturday and instantly regretted it when the pie filling was so hot it actually melted the plastic fork and the pastry base was almost as hard as the seat I was sitting in) and then go into the Far post afterwards for a couple of drinks, sometimes before the game as well. Every season I buy a shirt. Over the season I reckon I put £1000-odd direct into the club. I can therefore hand on heart say I'm doing my best to support the club, as can many others.

In times of crisis, which 99% of people think we are in, we need all the help we can get. Why is it so unreasonable to expect the loyal fan and supporter to give as much help as they can?

 

[Beefy]

Maybe the fans don't believe the figures that are quoted that RM claims to put in himself each month, maybe the fans don't believe that their £20 would directly benefit the club, maybe the fans see a web of companies designed to hide the truth.

And what is the truth?

 

[dannypav]

We did this a long time ago with Wet Sham's reserves. Let's not go there again...

What was the problem ?

 

[dannypav]

I believe West Ham use the Rush Green Stadium, shared with Grays.

Cheers for that.
Just trying to think of ANY potential avenues of revenue.
I'm sure the club have already explored all options - well I hope they have !

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

1 - What difference would it make to fans whether they believe Ron puts in £1 or £100,000 a month? I can't see the relevance.

2 - If you support a football team and buy a ticket to see the match, the money goes somewhere. A team with no supporters has no money. A team with lots of supporters has more money. Simple maths.

3 - There is a web of companies, as there is with many big businesses. Nothing unusual there, it's not a crime. The truth is that we are broke as a club and need money. What do you think the truth is?


I repeat - as fans, we can "support" the team. I have a season ticket and have had for about 20 years. I always buy a programme, even though my eyesight doesn't allow me to read it at the match unless I bring my glasses which, due to my age, I generally forget and then when I get home it goes in a drawer. I usually buy a drink and choccy bar, choosing to ignore the pies and burgers on health grounds (I made an exception last Saturday and instantly regretted it when the pie filling was so hot it actually melted the plastic fork and the pastry base was almost as hard as the seat I was sitting in) and then go into the Far post afterwards for a couple of drinks, sometimes before the game as well. Every season I buy a shirt. Over the season I reckon I put £1000-odd direct into the club. I can therefore hand on heart say I'm doing my best to support the club, as can many others.

In times of crisis, which 99% of people think we are in, we need all the help we can get. Why is it so unreasonable to expect the loyal fan and supporter to give as much help as they can?

1 - I won't be handing my hard earned over to someone I don't trust, my money, relevant to me

2 - Without a clear sight of where my money goes I won't be handing it over if I think it may be misappropriated

3 - I suggest you research the web of companies before you claim it isn't unusual. It is not normal to have a web of loss making companies unless you are talking about the fact that one day they will probably all collapse at the same time when all the balls hit the floor at the same time

Why don't you arrange a meeting with RM and explain how you continue to support the club in a financial way but many others do not feel the same way as they can never get a straight answer to any questions relating to finances and ask him what he intends to do to rebuild trust and attract more paying clients through the gate ? While you are there ask him to explain the necessity for the web of companies and how that benefits SUFC.

If you come back with plausible answers I will attend all remaining home games.

You also assume that fans staying away from Roots Hall are also not attending away games, you would be wrong so your criteria for being a true supporter is somewhat flawed.

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

And what is the truth?

We won't find that out until it all comes tumbling down, which I think will happen sooner rather than later.

 

[Firestorm]

1 - I won't be handing my hard earned over to someone I don't trust, my money, relevant to me

2 - Without a clear sight of where my money goes I won't be handing it over if I think it may be misappropriated

3 - I suggest you research the web of companies before you claim it isn't unusual. It is not normal to have a web of loss making companies unless you are talking about the fact that one day they will probably all collapse at the same time when all the balls hit the floor at the same time

Why don't you arrange a meeting with RM and explain how you continue to support the club in a financial way but many others do not feel the same way as they can never get a straight answer to any questions relating to finances and ask him what he intends to do to rebuild trust and attract more paying clients through the gate ? While you are there ask him to explain the necessity for the web of companies and how that benefits SUFC.

If you come back with plausible answers I will attend all remaining home games.

You also assume that fans staying away from Roots Hall are also not attending away games, you would be wrong so your criteria for being a true supporter is somewhat flawed.

Your mistrust of Ron is greater than your support for the club and that is your perogative

Do you research the background of each shop/Pub you go into to get a clear sight of where you money is going?

Re the network of companies, as I have posted on here numerous times before, the differences between corporate sales taxes and stamp duty make it eminently sensible for any company holding property to set the property up as an asset of an individual company. Therefore it is not unusual for a company with a property portfolio to have many companies

As for supporting the team at away games its just that it is supporting the team on the day, the issue of supporting the club is different.
It wouldn't matter on iota to our cash flow if we took 10000 to every away game

 

[Cricko]

It wouldn't matter on iota to our cash flow if we took 10000 to every away game

It would, RM could use the other clubs ticket money from 10,000 sales. :smile:

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

It wouldn't matter on iota to our cash flow if we took 10000 to every away game

I never said it would, what I said was don't label me as a non supporter when I do support the team albeit not at home games this season. There is more to being a true supporter than walking through the gate at RH every week.

 

[Smiffy]

It would, RM could use the other clubs ticket money from 10,000 sales. :smile:

:hilarious:

 

[fbm]

I never said it would, what I said was don't label me as a non supporter when I do support the team albeit not at home games this season. There is more to being a true supporter than walking through the gate at RH every week.

I think the diffence is that I would call a "supporter" someone who supports the club financially.

You're more of a fan and a follower really. I don't mean that nastily, but you're supporting other clubs more than ours by buying tickets for away games. There's a difference in my book.

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

I think the diffence is that I would call a "supporter" someone who supports the club financially.

You're more of a fan and a follower really. I don't mean that nastily, but you're supporting other clubs more than ours by buying tickets for away games. There's a difference in my book.

I've spent literally thousands at Roots Hall since 1986 so you're starting to look a bit silly now

 

[Firestorm]

I never said it would, what I said was don't label me as a non supporter when I do support the team albeit not at home games this season. There is more to being a true supporter than walking through the gate at RH every week.

As you said yourself you support the team. There is a difference between that and actively supporting the club

We could fill Roots hall every game with 12000 non clapping mutes who sat there in silence but paid 50 quid a head for it, the team would not feel they had any support but the club certainly would...

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

As you said yourself you support the team. There is a difference between that and actively supporting the club

We could fill Roots hall every game with 12000 non clapping mutes who sat there in silence but paid 50 quid a head for it, the team would not feel they had any support but the club certainly would...

By attending an away game I am supporting the club, by buying merchandise I am supporting the club, by airing my views on SZ which now (not just mine but others too) thanks to McNasty, appear to be being relayed directly to RM. I am supporting the club in an attempt to show them their clients are not happy with the way the business is being run and the product being offered is sub standard, it's not all about the team, I am supporting the team, PS, backroom staff, the "club" consists of many constituent parts hence the word "club".

 

[Thorpe Groyney]

I think the diffence is that I would call a "supporter" someone who supports the club financially.

A frankly ridiculous statement. Sitting on their backside and buying a club shirt and scarf online would, in theory, make someone a better supporter than someone else who can only perhaps get to go to a couple of games a season but actually bothers going.