Sturrock - complete idiot ?

[number11]

So you actually want Paul Sturrock to leave already? Is that what you are trying to say? I may have missed a part of this conversation.

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Indeed, it appears he actively wants Southend to lose and Sturrock to fail so he can come on here and say 'I told you so'........

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

a) No, not what I'm saying. Go back 6 or 7 weeks, I never wanted him here from the second somebody posted they had just seen him checking into a hotel in Basildon.

b) Thanks to The Three Stooges...

c) I bet the vast majority of supporters won't think that at Christmas time

a ) So are you actually not willing to give him a chance? He is here, he has done it, he could do it again, in my view, it is quite likely he will.

b )

c) Sorry, I'm not sure what your point 'c' is directed at.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

With your seemingly anti-SUFC stance at the moment, I'm not sure why you are still a mod on SZ?

Seems odd that a website for the fans of SUFC has a mod that hates the chairman (fair enough), doesnt like the current manager and wants him removed after 3 league games, doesnt seem to rate any of the players, doesnt go to many matches and his ultimate happy outcome for SUFC is to continue to LOSE matches, get relegatated and then FOLD?!?

Most bizarre...

I'm sure the owners would like to hear your complaints on an official level and they can investigate it.

In my opinion, I've now overcome the need to take things personally where there are areas people don't agree with me and I feel that I can state my case concisely without any need to resort to personal abuse. I am debating things fairly and as I see fit.

Anyway, maybe (without putting words in their mouths) some of the other owners/mods are also distinctlly anti the current high-level SUFC regime too?

 

[Thorpe Groyney]

I find it amusingly ironic that at least one of the posters on this thread, berating someone for being less than enthusiastic about Paul Sturrock, regularly went out of their way before his appointment to criticise Steve Tilson, whenever they could find a genuine or perceived mistake.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Indeed, it appears he actively wants Southend to lose and Sturrock to fail so he can come on here and say 'I told you so'........

No, not to do that.
I want that to happen so my major reserrvations about July's events are proved correct.
No wish to gloat, you're getting 2+2=5 from previous posts.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Anyway, maybe (without putting words in their mouths) some of the other owners/mods are also distinctlly anti the current high-level SUFC regime too?

I don't think that's the point pboreham is making... I think it's more to do with your open admission that you want Southend United to fail so you can waltz around saying "See, I told you so..."

For the record, I have no affliction towards any of the mods/owners/deitys here. People have their opinions, there's nothing anybody can do to stop that no matter how backwards they may appear at times.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

I find it amusingly ironic that at least one of the posters on this thread, berating someone for being less than enthusiastic about Paul Sturrock, regularly went out of their way before his appointment to criticise Steve Tilson, whenever they could find a genuine or perceived mistake.

Name and shame, name and shame...

 

[palexander]

I'm sure the owners would like to hear your complaints on an official level and they can investigate it.

In my opinion, I've now overcome the need to take things personally where there are areas people don't agree with me and I feel that I can state my case concisely without any need to resort to personal abuse. I am debating things fairly and as I see fit.

Anyway, maybe (without putting words in their mouths) some of the other owners/mods are also distinctlly anti the current high-level SUFC regime too?

Its not a case of people not agreeing with you - everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but at the same time, to take someone elses opinion on board, you have to respect it.

I cannot see how anyone can respect your opinion when you are just being so openingly negative about the management, players and ultimately the long term future of Southend, 3 weeks into the season.

You seem so proud to point out that you wanted Sturrock to fail from before he was even appointed, so how can anyone respect that? Have your reservations sure, but to willingly want him to fail before a ball has been kicked - before he has spoken publically, signed anyone, laid out any plans etc is not on and not an opinion that I can respect, not that you should give 2 ***** of course - just stating my case!

I find it amusingly ironic that at least one of the posters on this thread, berating someone for being less than enthusiastic about Paul Sturrock, regularly went out of their way before his appointment to criticise Steve Tilson, whenever they could find a genuine or perceived mistake.

*waves* That'd be me then.

I watched Tilson over a period of 5 years and felt qualified to have my opinion on him, whether people agreed or not is absolutely fair enough.

Sturrock has been here 5 minutes and is already taking unwarranted flack - and from someone that hasnt even seen a game with him in charge. Just find that a bit childish.

 

[Beefy]

Widdrington I like.
If PS says "sorry, I can't do it anymore it's all too much with current circumstances" and handed the reigns over to TW then I would be very happy.

This isn't purely a "anyone who's not ST" issue either, there are managers of our level who we reasonably could attract who (bad reputation now resolved) I would be happy to see in the RH hot-seat.

So your attitude has nothing to do with what happened to Tilson, or even with Ron Martin. You just don't like Paul Sturrock. Any particular reason?

EDIT - feel free to ignore - I hadn't realised that there'd be another dozen posts on the next page.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Sturrock has been here 5 minutes and is already taking unwarranted flack - and from someone that hasnt even seen a game with him in charge. Just find that a bit childish.

If that is directed at me, you are again missing out the fact...

I WAS AT THE STOCKPORT GAME...

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

Right, They have played three league games, An officials decision cost us three points at home to Stockport, we beat a fairly strong Bristol City side, by coming from behind twice, lost quite harshly to an established Aldershot side (arguably a dodgey goal again, although that has been discussed) and got beaten by the favourites to win the division. That isn't really a horror show is it?

The above is basically what has happened over the past weeks, now please tell me after reading that, why some people on here are saying that our team who have been together for just a month and have put in some quite defensively sound performances, and some quite good understanding of playing the ball around, and creating a fairly large amount of chances, although not many shots on goal, why there is so much stick and criticism being flung about?

Or am I wrong?

 

[Jedi Shrimper]

So let me get this straight, when Tilly was in charge and we played **** and he didn't slag the players off but blamed refs / luck or whatever, people complained.

Now, Sturrock does blame the players, and he's in the wrong too. Holy Crap on a Cracker.

Sturrock was clearly talking about the game he'd just seen, which according to most was terrible. My what a bunch of sensative souls everyone is, I've always found a thick skin pretty necessary to supporting SUFC. Personally I'd prefer PS to be concentrating on the job in hand, he shouldn't have to be worrying what a bunch of hypersensitive football fans think of his every word. Nevermind the fact that most people on here show far less consideration for what they say than they seem to expect of Paul Sturrock.

:headbang:

 

[The Flying Scotsman]

No, not to do that.
I want that to happen so my major reserrvations about July's events are proved correct.
No wish to gloat, you're getting 2+2=5 from previous posts.

So just to be clear, and i'm not concerned about why, but you do want want us to lose.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Guys, at the end of the day it's all down to opinions and how vehemently we express them and what tone we use. People's opinions come over in completely different ways to what's intended at times and whilst I think there are certainly people around who are suddenly adopting a holier than thou stance on the subject of Tilson and who should examine their consciences, Glasgow has every right to voice his opinion however much I, and others, might disagree with it.

I get completely fed up with these threads that turn into witch hunts for individuals on here or for players, we all ultimately want what is best for the team and therefore the club, let's just try counting to 10 before we hit the "post" button sometimes. :chill:

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

With your seemingly anti-SUFC stance at the moment, I'm not sure why you are still a mod on SZ?

I don't think that's right or fair at all. Glasgow's opinions about the club, and his ability to conduct modding duties on this website, are entirely unconnected. This is an independent Southend United fans' website, and the day that any of the owners tell anyone else (including the mods) what personal opinions they are and are not allowed to hold, is the day I walk away from this site.

The ability of any mod to conduct their duties is measured solely on the manner in which they conduct themselves and perform those duties. Their personal opinions are utterly irrelevant.

Matt

 

[palexander]

If that is directed at me, you are again missing out the fact...

I WAS AT THE STOCKPORT GAME...

Apologies, I missed that.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

So your attitude has nothing to do with what happened to Tilson, or even with Ron Martin. You just don't like Paul Sturrock. Any particular reason?

Er, where are you getting that from?
I'd say that satisfies the opposite of both ends of the spectrum.
I echo Cricko's post as to how I feel about the removal of Tilson & Brush.

I've nothing personally against Sturrock other than I don't feel he's a good fit for SUFC. Again, I go back to the SUFC name was mud in the world of football and nobody really would touch us, other than a man who was desparate to get back into work but had very limited options in how to do that. I'd far rather have had Paul Mariner in if we wanted an ex Plymouth manager for example...

 

[number11]

I find it amusingly ironic that at least one of the posters on this thread, berating someone for being less than enthusiastic about Paul Sturrock, regularly went out of their way before his appointment to criticise Steve Tilson, whenever they could find a genuine or perceived mistake.

In fairness to pboreham, (and I found his posts on Tilson to be unfair and ridiculous and took pleasure in reminding him of his 'anti-Tilson' stance when we went on that run after xmas to just miss out on the play-offs)....but he always gave his view analytically and evenhanded and without any motive of self interest.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Er, where are you getting that from?
I'd say that satisfies the opposite of both ends of the spectrum.
I echo Cricko's post as to how I feel about the removal of Tilson & Brush.

I've nothing personally against Sturrock other than I don't feel he's a good fit for SUFC. Again, I go back to the SUFC name was mud in the world of football and nobody really would touch us, other than a man who was desparate to get back into work but had very limited options in how to do that. I'd far rather have had Paul Mariner in if we wanted an ex Plymouth manager for example...

I'd argue that, given his experience of achieving success at this level and working with clubs in dire financial positions, he's a relatively good fit for SUFC at this time...

 

[palexander]

I don't think that's right or fair at all. Glasgow's opinions about the club, and his ability to conduct modding duties on this website, are entirely unconnected. This is an independent Southend United fans' website, and the day that any of the owners tell anyone else (including the mods) what personal opinions they are and are not allowed to hold, is the day I walk away from this site.

The ability of any mod to conduct their duties is measured solely on the manner in which they conduct themselves and perform those duties. Their personal opinions are utterly irrelevant.

Matt

Fair enough - just struck me as odd, but its **** all to do with me!