Steve Tilson

[TrueBlue]

I think your personal opinion of Steve Tilson has affected the way you view his achievements with us.

Not really mate I just feel Tilson was doing good work but he was a victim of his own success, sure paying the players did not help but I dont feel that was the only reason

 

[OldBlueLady]

What a random time to post such a thread, where on earth has this come from. Let it go - Tilson is long gone.

The king is dead, long live the king

I would imagine it's come about because of the other Steve Tilson thread...

http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/showthread.php?74371-Steve-Tilson

I tend to think, and I've no basis other than my gut feeling, that he chose not to go when Brush went. And I think that was probably one of his biggest mistakes. There were probably all kinds of legalities tied up with the alleged owed wages that prevented him walking and taking a position elsewhere, like forfeiting the money allegedly owed!

In my opinion, he'd have done better to have gone and started afresh somewhere instead of allowing, what I believe was a certain amount of manipulation to go on in the background, which ended up with him on gardening leave.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

I think your personal opinion of Steve Tilson has affected the way you view his achievements with us.

Not really mate I just feel Tilson was doing good work but he was a victim of his own success, sure paying the players did not help but I dont feel that was the only reason

And also a victim of his own loyalty by not resigning on occasion where he could of gone elsewhere or when he was treated disgracefully by Ron.

Sturrock would walk out in a split second now if a bigger club come calling. Not knocking Sturrock in that sense as pretty much all managers would.
Di Canio is already touting himself out for instance and I don't think he will match Tilsons first 2 seasons with Swindon on a budget probably double Tilsons.

I'm sure you would of been the first person to point the finger had he wanted to jump ship.

Had the chairman of changed the season before we went down I have no doubts we would of carried on challenging for promotion to the championship as Tilson never failed when given a respectable budget for the division he was in.

 

[Jam_Man]

at least some-one remembers it -

Everyone remembers it, some have trouble remembering where it all went :smile:

If only we had 5 million to spend on players Im not sure we would know what to do, stuff of dreams unfortunately.

 

[TrueBlue]

And also a victim of his own loyalty by not resigning on occasion where he could of gone elsewhere or when he was treated disgracefully by Ron.

Sturrock would walk out in a split second now if a bigger club come calling. Not knocking Sturrock in that sense as pretty much all managers would.
Di Canio is already touting himself out for instance and I don't think he will match Tilsons first 2 seasons with Swindon on a budget probably double Tilsons.

I'm sure you would of been the first person to point the finger had he wanted to jump ship.

Had the chairman of changed the season before we went down I have no doubts we would of carried on challenging for promotion to the championship as Tilson never failed when given a respectable budget for the division he was in.

Its a question I ask myself quite a lot on this subject just how much of Tilsons success was down to luck?

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

And also a victim of his own loyalty by not resigning on occasion where he could of gone elsewhere or when he was treated disgracefully by Ron.

Sturrock would walk out in a split second now if a bigger club come calling. Not knocking Sturrock in that sense as pretty much all managers would.
Di Canio is already touting himself out for instance and I don't think he will match Tilsons first 2 seasons with Swindon on a budget probably double Tilsons.

I'm sure you would of been the first person to point the finger had he wanted to jump ship.

Had the chairman of changed the season before we went down I have no doubts we would of carried on challenging for promotion to the championship as Tilson never failed when given a respectable budget for the division he was in.

Some very good points, bang on !

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

When you cant pay or sign players and end up with only one defender you cant be expected to succeed.

Downward spiral was caused by our finances ruining our team, not the other way around.

As much as I love Tilly, this is just wrong.

1. The downward spiral started BEFORE the financial troubles. Our League One winning team was better than our Championship relegation team. Mark Bentley was not released for financial reasons. Peter Clarke was a lesser player than Prior or Sodje but he cost a hell of a lot more. Duncan Jupp but Lewis Hunt in particular were better defenders than Simon Francis. Why were Paynter, Harrold, Foran scouted and expensively recruited if they didn't fit our style of play? JCR didn't work in League One, so why did we think it'd work in the Championship?
2. I struggle to reconcile complaining about only having the money for one defender when £400,000 was paid for a moderate one only a few years previously.

But he still deserves more credit than True Blue is giving him.

 

[TrueBlue]

As much as I love Tilly, this is just wrong.

1. The downward spiral started BEFORE the financial troubles. Our League One winning team was better than our Championship relegation team. Mark Bentley was not released for financial reasons. Peter Clarke was a lesser player than Prior or Sodje but he cost a hell of a lot more. Duncan Jupp but Lewis Hunt in particular were better defenders than Simon Francis. Why were Paynter, Harrold, Foran scouted and expensively recruited if they didn't fit our style of play? JCR didn't work in League One, so why did we think it'd work in the Championship?
2. I struggle to reconcile complaining about only having the money for one defender when £400,000 was paid for a moderate one only a few years previously.

But he still deserves more credit than True Blue is giving him.

Maybe so, there could be a touch of bitterness from reaching the championship for it all to fall down like a house of cards

 

[Jam_Man]

As much as I love Tilly, this is just wrong.

1. The downward spiral started BEFORE the financial troubles. Our League One winning team was better than our Championship relegation team. Mark Bentley was not released for financial reasons. Peter Clarke was a lesser player than Prior or Sodje but he cost a hell of a lot more. Duncan Jupp but Lewis Hunt in particular were better defenders than Simon Francis. Why were Paynter, Harrold, Foran scouted and expensively recruited if they didn't fit our style of play? JCR didn't work in League One, so why did we think it'd work in the Championship?
2. I struggle to reconcile complaining about only having the money for one defender when £400,000 was paid for a moderate one only a few years previously.

But he still deserves more credit than True Blue is giving him.

You cant include relegation from the Championship as part of the downward spiral, we were punching well above our weight.

Tilson made mistakes of course but our decline as a club which resulted in us being in League Two is solely due to finances.

I really dont understand your 2nd point. Yes we paid big money for players a few years previously, because we were earning more money in the Championship, and even then it was over spending then that meant that a few years later we were bankrupt and unable to sign anyone.

Criticism can be laid at Tilsons door for money wasted, but he certainly recouped plenty as well..

We were relegated from league one because players werent paid, and couldnt be signed. I do think Tilson could have done enough to keep us up but lay no blame on him on us going down under those circumstances.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

You cant include relegation from the Championship as part of the downward spiral, we were punching well above our weight.

Tilson made mistakes of course but our decline as a club which resulted in us being in League Two is solely due to finances.

I really dont understand your 2nd point. Yes we paid big money for players a few years previously, because we were earning more money in the Championship, and even then it was over spending then that meant that a few years later we were bankrupt and unable to sign anyone.

Criticism can be laid at Tilsons door for money wasted, but he certainly recouped plenty as well..

We were relegated from league one because players werent paid, and couldnt be signed. I do think Tilson could have done enough to keep us up but lay no blame on him on us going down under those circumstances.

The downward spiral was in respect of the strength of the team. The changes the manager instigated after our promotion to the championship weakened us, rather than strengthened us.

Relegation back to the fourth wasn't solely down to finances. The team lacked direction on the pitch, it had no shape, no style of play. Why wasn't Moussa better used when we were crying out for his cultured passing? If we weren't going to pass it, why didn't he make better use of his targetmen? This downward spiral started before the financial crisis really hit and we were lacking direction before wages were late.

Finances made things harder but not inevitable. Other teams have shown more fight in similar situations - Bournemouth would be one example. Luton had 50 odd points deducted, were in administration and still managed to be competitive on the field.

Had Tilly used the money we'd borrowed when we were in the championship better, we wouldn't have been in as bad a financial difficulty we ended up in. None of the six(?) players he paid a six figure sum for panned out. That's an incredibly poor success rate. Think how far that million+ paid in transfer fees would have gone, and that's before factoring in the wasted wages from those who were paid off, let alone those who played but didn't justify their cost. He therefore exacerbated the problem, which is going to temper the sympathy I have towards the situation he found himself in.

 

[Jam_Man]

As I said Tilson certainly made mistakes, but even so if the squad had been paid and he hadnt had embargos that last year we Im convinced we would still be in league one and not where we are.

 

[mrsblue]

ST made mistakes ,What manager is fault free?
ST signed players which never worked,Managers have done this since the invention of football
ST released players who went on to better things,Again umpteen managers have done this

Take Mark Hughes just been sacked and it will cost QPR millions,Yet Hughes will get another job pretty quickly,If he wants one.

ST was never perfect yet he gave all of us magical times,Who can argue with that.

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

You cant include relegation from the Championship as part of the downward spiral, we were punching well above our weight.

We were relegated from league one because players werent paid, and couldnt be signed. I do think Tilson could have done enough to keep us up but lay no blame on him on us going down under those circumstances.

Both of these points are so true. We weren't good enough for the championship, any number of teams from a poor league 1 could have got promoted, we just had that little something extra when it came to the final push. That doesn't mean we were ready to consolidate in the championship, it would have cost considerably more than we had available. I don't blame RM or Tilly for any of that but I do lay the blame firmly at RM's door for our relegation to league 2.

 

[TrueBlue]

ST made mistakes ,What manager is fault free?
ST signed players which never worked,Managers have done this since the invention of football
ST released players who went on to better things,Again umpteen managers have done this

Take Mark Hughes just been sacked and it will cost QPR millions,Yet Hughes will get another job pretty quickly,If he wants one.

ST was never perfect yet he gave all of us magical times,Who can argue with that.

Not arguing with that in the slightest

 

[tonie]

Both of these points are so true. We weren't good enough for the championship, any number of teams from a poor league 1 could have got promoted, we just had that little something extra when it came to the final push. That doesn't mean we were ready to consolidate in the championship, it would have cost considerably more than we had available. I don't blame RM or Tilly for any of that but I do lay the blame firmly at RM's door for our relegation to league 2.

so true sqaud was strong enough for the champanship drop to league 2 i dont really blame tilly, as for him and another leauge job it wont be easy a lot of mangers out of work

 

[tonie]

so true sqaud was strong enough for the champanship drop to league 2 i dont really blame tilly, as for him and another leauge job it wont be easy a lot of mangers out of work

i meant sqaud not strong enough

 

[OldBlueLady]

i meant sqaud not strong enough

I think you meant "sQUAd not strong enough" :smiles:

 

[Mick]

I remember seeing Kightly play for Farnborough at Canvey in the Conference. He did nothing of note in that game and I think he may have been substituted. I doubt whether many people in the game could have predicted such a bright future for him in those days. These things happen with players from time to time and is a reason to always keep a close eye on the non-league scene.

Close. He was actually a substitute who came on at half-time.

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

Is this still happening?

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Its a question I ask myself quite a lot on this subject just how much of Tilsons success was down to luck?

As much as I don't really rate Eastwood now, you take him out of the equation back in Tilson's reign and we wouldn't have got out of L2 in the first place. I would say Tilson got lucky with Eastwood as he didn't even want him. Eastwood was the catalyst for 2 promotions, not Tilly.