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Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 2-2 Swindon Town

First half performance was literally laughable - it was so bad, I couldnt even get annoyed, I just found it a ridiculous farce. 2nd half was better(ish) and at least we got back to 442.

Mildy - 5 - Couple of good saves, but his attitude stinks and I'd be happy to see the back of him asap.
Francis - 5 - Poor first half, does not know how to play wing back. 2nd half was better and got a couple of decent balls in playing his preferred position.
Barrett - 4 - Awful, looks absolutely shot.
Mvoto - 3 - Shouldnt have played, not his fault. I said in the week if Mvoto plays then it is a terrible and desperate act and so it proved.
Baldwin - 7 - Commanding and no nonsense, just what we need.
Malone - 4 - Still cannot see what he offers. Set pieces were awful and he just is not a good defender at all. No better than Herd.
Grant - 6 - Pick of a poor midfield
JFC - 5 - Big fan of Jeffs, but that wasnt good enough. Only seems to have eyes for Laurent at the moment
Moussa - 4 - Final awful display that will (or would if we had the bodies) see him benched for a while
Laurent - 4 - Over elaborate, greedy and wasteful - off day.
Vernon - 6 - Actually thought he did ok with little service. Won loads of flick ons and in a better more confident side, I think he'd be decent.

SUBS:

Scannell - 6 - Not his biggest fan, but he did well to help with both goals
Spencer - 6 - Quick and looks very direct. He and Vernon (or Paterson) could form a good partnership.
Herd - 6 - Kept it simple and throw is a weapon.

T&B - 4 - Very poor again from the management and it could have cost us a point, least they changed it back.
 
I won't even bother marking the first half, on the count of I've seen more 1's and 2's in a DJ stand.

On the second half showing -

Mildenhall - 6 - Average.
Franno - 7 - Everything we created went through him.
Barrett - 6 - Average.
Baldwin - 7 - Permanent, please. Composed and controlled.
Malone - 5 - Gave the ball away an awful lot.
Grant - 6 - tackled well, fought hard.
JFC - 5.5 - Like Grant, only couldn't pass.
Scannell - 5 - Did nothing.
Laurent - 5 - His tricks might fool 90% of the Zone, but he offered very little going forward and posed no threat whatsoever.
Vernon - 7 - Clever flicks, obviously has some football intelligence and a welcome addition.
Spencer - 7 - Looks very lively indeed, made runs that tested the Swindon back line.

Subs -

herd - 7 - Done more in 20 minutes than Malone has accomplished in the last two games.

I'm not going to criticise Malone too harshly, as up until recently I thought he'd been usefull, but Herd today showed that there is absolutely no difference between him and any Left Back we've had on loan all season.
 
I won't even bother marking the first half, on the count of I've seen more 1's and 2's in a DJ stand.

On the second half showing -

Mildenhall - 6 - Average.
Franno - 7 - Everything we created went through him.
Barrett - 6 - Average.
Baldwin - 7 - Permanent, please. Composed and controlled.
Malone - 5 - Gave the ball away an awful lot.
Grant - 6 - tackled well, fought hard.
JFC - 5.5 - Like Grant, only couldn't pass.
Scannell - 5 - Did nothing.
Laurent - 5 - His tricks might fool 90% of the Zone, but he offered very little going forward and posed no threat whatsoever.
Vernon - 7 - Clever flicks, obviously has some football intelligence and a welcome addition.
Spencer - 7 - Looks very lively indeed, made runs that tested the Swindon back line.

Subs -

herd - 7 - Done more in 20 minutes than Malone has accomplished in the last two games.

I'm not going to criticise Malone too harshly, as up until recently I thought he'd been usefull, but Herd today showed that there is absolutely no difference between him and any Left Back we've had on loan all season.[/
 
I won't even bother marking the first half, on the count of I've seen more 1's and 2's in a DJ stand.

On the second half showing -

Mildenhall - 6 - Average.
Franno - 7 - Everything we created went through him.
Barrett - 6 - Average.
Baldwin - 7 - Permanent, please. Composed and controlled.
Malone - 5 - Gave the ball away an awful lot.
Grant - 6 - tackled well, fought hard.
JFC - 5.5 - Like Grant, only couldn't pass.
Scannell - 5 - Did nothing.
Laurent - 5 - His tricks might fool 90% of the Zone, but he offered very little going forward and posed no threat whatsoever.
Vernon - 7 - Clever flicks, obviously has some football intelligence and a welcome addition.
Spencer - 7 - Looks very lively indeed, made runs that tested the Swindon back line.

Subs -

herd - 7 - Done more in 20 minutes than Malone has accomplished in the last two games.

I'm not going to criticise Malone too harshly, as up until recently I thought he'd been usefull, but Herd today showed that there is absolutely no difference between him and any Left Back we've had on loan all season.

You'll get torn a new one for this! Had a hand in both goals and did little else that you could say was wrong.
 
I read these reports and sometimes wonder if I am watching the same players.

Laurent today tied up at least 2 and sometimes 3 defenders every time he got the ball, they wouldn't leave just one player marking him and many, but not all, times that left their defence light across the back.
 
As has been said we were diabolical in the first half and improved in the second, and maybe just about deserved the point.

I thought Swindon apart from their number 24 Ward were pretty poor and how they are so high in the table is beyond me, as even our somewhat powder puff attack gave their defence the vapours when we made the occasional foray forward.

FWIW I can understand why Tilly played MVoto, but the gamble just didn't work, and I wouldn't have been surprised if he had been subbed before half time. So despite what our "experienced managers" on the latest computer game tell us about the delights of 4-5-1, 5-3-2 or 2-0-8 or whatever the latest fad Tilly prefers 4-4-2 and as soon as we reverted to this the performance improved.

I thought their second was way offside, and our second should really have been disallowed because Scannell was at least 2ft off the pitch when he crossed the ball.

IMO both Baldwin & Vernon did well and worked hard, and I genuinely think that Spencer has something about him, and could well form a decent spearhead with Vernon.

Fortunately for us Swindon are not a very good side because if they were they could have declared at half time. We got out of jail today, but it's another point added to the tally and there was the added bonus that none of the teams below us won.
 
I read these reports and sometimes wonder if I am watching the same players.

Laurent today tied up at least 2 and sometimes 3 defenders every time he got the ball, they wouldn't leave just one player marking him and many, but not all, times that left their defence light across the back.

watching the same players........... your reading posts from the same cult fans?????????
 
The first half was the most gutless, spineless, embarrassing "performance" from a Southend side I have seen in many a year. It reminded me of the dark days of Wignall. Only with less effort. The shout from the back of the Greens after half an hour summed it up - Can we have our money back? We should've done, under the Trades Description Act. We certainly weren't watching professional footballers. Steve Tilson, quite frankly, lost it and had an utter moment of madness. After persisting with 4-5-1 and it not working, he looked up his Football Manager 10 and thought, hmm, 3-5-2, that might work. It didn't, Steve. It really, really didn't. The bunch of boys in blue didn't know where to turn, where to run, who to mark or what to do, full stop. The decision to play M'Voto was an even worse one. Whilst Paterson must be wondering what the hell he’s let himself in for. He gets two starts, on his own, up front, yet is promptly dropped. Is he going to get the Hooper treatment I wonder? He’s young and you can’t help but think his confidence will be affected, as per Hooper, with this whole chopping and changing. Are we being managed by some kind of crazy scientist now or something? Pat Baldwin seemed to sum it up in his interview by saying they only tried setting the new formation up yesterday and it was only when we played 4-4-2 that we were comfortable and happy.

Leading up to the first goal, both Francis and then Christophe had the chance to calmly play the ball to either a team mate, or just up field. They did neither. Both carelessly swiped at the ball and gifted possession to Swindon, resulting a ball being played into the box, M'Voto completely misjudging it, and allowing Paynter a simple, yet calm finish. Within a few minutes we somehow managed a chance ourselves, with a long ball over the top allowing Laurent to flick it over the defenders head and lob right footed over the keeper, with only the bar stopping us from going level. That would be the only moment of any quality from us in a dire first half. Just moments later, another scrappy mess at the back ended in Baldwin's hurried clearance smacking the Swindon player and rebounding to Austin, who made no mistake in beating Mildy from 8 yards. What was the celebration all about? Why did he feel the need to taunt the South and the East stands? Paynter managed to avoid doing it, but Austin took it upon himself to be a dick. The first half then continued in the same vein, with our defence and midfield all over the shop, gifting possession away continually and looking like a bunch of pub players. I don't remember there being such a surreal, depressed atmosphere at Roots Hall for some time. We didn't even seem to give the players as much stick as you'd expect. It was all very lifeless, on and off the pitch.

The second half came and Tilly appeared to wake up, realise we were an embarrassment and that he'd made a stupid, stupid error. I notice he didn't admit it after the game though! Within a minute of the restart, Scannell showed the first bit of hunger and determination from a blue shirt in the whole of the game up until then, and it woke up both the players and the crowd. Spencer soon followed suit, and we suddenly started looking like a football team again. Miraculous, 4-4-2, looking better than a new formation with new players all trying to fit in at once. The chances came and went, most notably a fantastic strong run by Laurent, which ended in him trying to beat the keeper when if he'd have bothered to look up, he'd have seen Spencer completely unmarked for a tap in on the 6 yard line. When that moment happened, I think we all thought that was that. Somehow though, we scored two of the most scrappy goals we've scored for a long, long time and saved ourselves a point. In doing so, it possibly glossed over the incredible errors of judgement from the management.

Ratings:

Mildenhall 6.5: Made an odd attempt to save the second goal and made one horrible kick out which nearly ended up with him being lobbed. After that though he made two or three decent saves to keep us in it.

Francis 6.5: Played a big part in the first half shambles, but was a main instigator in getting us back in it during the second half with some excellent crosses.

M’Voto 4: One moment of ok-ishness followed with three calamity moments appeared to be the order of the day. At fault for the first and nearly gave them a couple of others. Should never have played in a million years. It wasn’t his fault he was thrust back into things though I suppose.

Baldwin 6.5: At fault for the second, although was generally pretty sound apart from that. Was one of only a couple that seemed to give a damn in that first half and spent the entire game barking out orders and organising those around him. Another loan defender that looks more comfortable and more solid than Barrett. Oops.

Barrett 5.5: As usual he was here, there and everywhere. Not really what a centre back should be doing, especially when all around him are laying down.

Malone 5: I’m struggling to think of what he contributed, other than poor set piece deliveries. Mr Average, was, well, Mr Average.

Grant 5: One of his poorer displays of the season and we didn’t really miss him when he went off, which summed it up.

Christophe 4: Shocking. He’s a professional footballer who struggles when he tries to pass it along the ground more than 5 yards. How he escaped being taken off at half time I’ll never know.

Moussa 4: Never really got into the game and struggled in amongst the lay down and die tactics. Desperately needs a rest out of the spotlight.

Vernon 6: Touched the ball four or five times seemingly in the first half, but as soon as he had Spencer alongside him he looked more at home. Will hopefully prove a useful acquisition.

Laurent 6: The magical piece of ability for the lob in the first ten minutes aside, he, as usual, didn’t look at home up front. In the second half though he had a decent enough time on the wing, although he holds on to the ball for far too often and his decision not to square it for Spencer at 2-0 down was nothing more than criminal.

Subs:

Scannell 6.5: Helped changed the game in our favour. Added some pace, strength and directness to our play. Put in a cracking delivery for Spencer to head over and then set up the equaliser with another very decent cross. *Awaits negative rep from mattytheshrimper for praising Scannell and/or using capital letters*

Spencer 6.5: He’s quickly becoming a favourite of mine. Quick, lively, tricky, energetic and hard working, whilst above all else he appears to know what positions to take up as a striker. Indeed on early glimpses I’m failing to see why his face didn’t fit at Rochdale. He deserves a start already and he comes across as someone who is desperate to build a career and find a club to call home, whilst he’ll work hard to get it.

Herd 6: Looked more assured and comfortable in 20 minutes than Malone did in the previous 70. I can’t even be bothered to bang on about how he should be playing any more to be honest.
 
I won't even bother marking the first half, on the count of I've seen more 1's and 2's in a DJ stand.

On the second half showing -

Mildenhall - 6 - Average.
Franno - 7 - Everything we created went through him.
Barrett - 6 - Average.
Baldwin - 7 - Permanent, please. Composed and controlled.
Malone - 5 - Gave the ball away an awful lot.
Grant - 6 - tackled well, fought hard.
JFC - 5.5 - Like Grant, only couldn't pass.
Scannell - 5 - Did nothing.
Laurent - 5 - His tricks might fool 90% of the Zone, but he offered very little going forward and posed no threat whatsoever.
Vernon - 7 - Clever flicks, obviously has some football intelligence and a welcome addition.
Spencer - 7 - Looks very lively indeed, made runs that tested the Swindon back line.

Subs -

herd - 7 - Done more in 20 minutes than Malone has accomplished in the last two games.

I'm not going to criticise Malone too harshly, as up until recently I thought he'd been usefull, but Herd today showed that there is absolutely no difference between him and any Left Back we've had on loan all season.

Sorry ESB, but had the boot been on another foot, people on here - yourself included, would have said 'how convenient' for not mentioning the first half - is that because you would have to draw attention to yet another lack lustre performance by Moussa?

As most have said first half was woeful all round, but 2nd half at least we looked more interested and showed some desire to get back into the game.

Great to see Herd on, I know he is not the finished article but at least he seems determined and up for the fight, with a killer throw to boot - should start ahead of Malone IMO.

Liked the look of Baldwin at the back, seemed to be trying to organise them and fairly confident, hope he gets a run in the side after next week's trip to Col Ewe.

Scannell, came on and showed more threat than most - yes he may not be the most agile or skillfull but he did try and had two assists - so to say he did nothing is unfair, not sure what else people want from him in 45mins playing in a very disjointed side?

Scotty Spencer looked up for it, wanted the ball, perhaps should have scored with the chance he had previously to his goal but he looks a worker (dare I say it a la 'Barney') so lets hope he can get a run in the side with either Patterson or Vernon.

Not great, but at least the 2nd half showed some promise, lets give them the chance to build on this, starting next Monday night!
 
You'll get torn a new one for this! Had a hand in both goals and did little else that you could say was wrong.

A wingers job is to run at defenders and put the ball in the box. He did neither for 40 minutes of the game that he played, so much so that when Herd came on, Malone done his job for him when he was supposed to be lining up in central midfield.

Scannell might run around and look busy, and that might be enough for some of the people, but I expect a little more. He was by no means the worst on the pitch, I'll reserve that for Moussa today, but he was by no means integral to us picking up a draw.

On the point of Moussa, it was unfair to mark him today as he was the supposed to be the attacking focal point of a midfield that neither knew nor understood what the hell they were supposed to be doing. The first half was entirely Tilson's fault...
 
Mildenhall - 6
Franno - 7 MOM
Mvoto - 4 Not match fit
Barrett - 6
Baldwin - 7 Sign him up please
Malone - 5
Grant - 6
JFC - 5.5
Moussa - 4 Deserved to be substituted
Laurent - 5
Vernon - 7 - Like him sign him
Subs
Spencer - 7
herd - 7
Scannell - 5
Tilson / Brush 2 Negative tactics in 1st half almost cost us

Ref 7

Linesmen 4 dont they know what offside is
 
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Sorry ESB, but had the boot been on another foot, people on here - yourself included, would have said 'how convenient' for not mentioning the first half - is that because you would have to draw attention to yet another lack lustre performance by Moussa?
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I've said elsewhere, and now on here, how poor Moussa was today. his passing was **** poor and he was quite rightly subbed to make way for a change in formation. I will say though that he was the victim of a tactical change that made no sense and bore no fruit... It was completely farcical to even attempt that 5-3-2 formation today.
 
A wingers job is to run at defenders and put the ball in the box. He did neither for 40 minutes of the game that he played, so much so that when Herd came on, Malone done his job for him when he was supposed to be lining up in central midfield.

Scannell might run around and look busy, and that might be enough for some of the people, but I expect a little more. He was by no means the worst on the pitch, I'll reserve that for Moussa today, but he was by no means integral to us picking up a draw.

On the point of Moussa, it was unfair to mark him today as he was the supposed to be the attacking focal point of a midfield that neither knew nor understood what the hell they were supposed to be doing. The first half was entirely Tilson's fault...

Sorry, but the guy obviously can't win with you can he? I am not his biggest fan by any stretch but he was trying to get into the game and put in a several good runs down the left in front of the East Stand Blacks/Greens and was instrumental for the two goals, whether you like it or not.

We'd all like more, I'd like Mark Gower back but we don't have those luxuries any more, so give Scannell a break he is no worse than Moussa has been lately and he does'nt have the blessing of Moussa's skill level either.

Sorry, don't see how you can blame Tilly for the fact that Moussa did not grasp the situation - I agree the formation was wrong but can understand why Tilly gave it a go as he will not have Baldwin next week and Myvoto needs games.

Don't get me wrong, I think Moussa has talent but fair's fair if it was a certain Irishman who played like that today you would be one of the first out the blocks to criticise.
 
Sorry, but the guy obviously can't win with you can he? I am not his biggest fan by any stretch but he was trying to get into the game and put in a several good runs down the left in front of the East Stand Blacks/Greens and was instrumental for the two goals, whether you like it or not.

We'd all like more, I'd like Mark Gower back but we don't have those luxuries any more, so give Scannell a break he is no worse than Moussa has been lately and he does'nt have the blessing of Moussa's skill level either.

Sorry, don't see how you can blame Tilly for the fact that Moussa did not grasp the situation - I agree the formation was wrong but can understand why Tilly gave it a go as he will not have Baldwin next week and Myvoto needs games.

Don't get me wrong, I think Moussa has talent but fair's fair if it was a certain Irishman who played like that today you would be one of the first out the blocks to criticise.

I never said Moussa was no worse than Scannell, nor did I say that Tilson was to balme for Moussa's poor performance. I said that Tilson was entirely to blame for the first half, which I believe he was, utilising a formation that I certainly have never seen a Southend first XI adopt and never want to see adopt again.

Once again, I've criticised Moussa's performance today. He was **** poor and everybody could see that, he misplaced pass after pass and failed to have any impact whatsoever, I've even said as much, but I do think that if he was given a run-out in a team playing a 4-4-2 formation you might've seen a fairer assessment of the lad.
 
I've said elsewhere, and now on here, how poor Moussa was today. his passing was **** poor and he was quite rightly subbed to make way for a change in formation. I will say though that he was the victim of a tactical change that made no sense and bore no fruit... It was completely farcical to even attempt that 5-3-2 formation today.


Agree ESB, the 5-3-2 was a wrong, but at least Tilly realised it and went back to what we know.

Let's hope Moussa can put the ball in the Col U net like he did last year and start to find his form again, he is only young, as is Herd - two players who could do very well for us.
 
As has been said we were diabolical in the first half and improved in the second, and maybe just about deserved the point.

I thought Swindon apart from their number 24 Ward were pretty poor and how they are so high in the table is beyond me, as even our somewhat powder puff attack gave their defence the vapours when we made the occasional foray forward.

FWIW I can understand why Tilly played MVoto, but the gamble just didn't work, and I wouldn't have been surprised if he had been subbed before half time. So despite what our "experienced managers" on the latest computer game tell us about the delights of 4-5-1, 5-3-2 or 2-0-8 or whatever the latest fad Tilly prefers 4-4-2 and as soon as we reverted to this the performance improved.

I thought their second was way offside, and our second should really have been disallowed because Scannell was at least 2ft off the pitch when he crossed the ball.

IMO both Baldwin & Vernon did well and worked hard, and I genuinely think that Spencer has something about him, and could well form a decent spearhead with Vernon.

Fortunately for us Swindon are not a very good side because if they were they could have declared at half time. We got out of jail today, but it's another point added to the tally and there was the added bonus that none of the teams below us won.

?????????...................apart from: Bristol Rovers 2 v Wycombe W. 3 !!!
 
Sorry but the "hes only young" argument doesnt really cut it with Moussa. Hes played every game this season and most of last season. Theres a great player somewhere in there but he has not scored since the first day of the season and is taking his place for granted. Maybe being dropped will be the kick up the backside he needs. I agree the formation perhaps didnt suit him but he has had games in the middle this season and has looked not much better there than out wide.
 

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