Some perspective

[Avl1983]

I agree that they are entitled to their opinions, as am I. And my opinion is that people calling for COSU out is nonsense.

I don't think I mentioned Maher in my post did I?

I also said, yes, get mad with individual performances, I'm with you. I do the same. I mentioned perspective. Take a realistic approach to where the club were, where they are and where they can reasonably expect to be in the next 5-10 years.

Does that mean Maher out? Maybe in the future. But in the first season of recovery I'd rather celebrate not being Bury, enjoy the opportunity of seeing the club with my friends and dream about the future, because the club might actually have one now.

For me, if it takes 10 years to get the club itself back on it's feet etc that's fine, no problem, none of us really know how bad things were left by Ron.

The football on the pitch is a different story, it's a hard league to get out of but we should be attacking games, scoring goals and the bare minimum should be playoff places.

 

[Southend Elvis]

COSU have taken over a product that has been selling for years, with many customers. If that product is watered down or let to go bad, customers won't continue to purchase that product.
We understand there is a lot to do in the factory to get things profitable again, but they have to maintain the product or sales will suffer.
Personally I think that's how you have to look at it. Keep up the good work COSU but don't let the product go downhill.

 

[The Original Tribal Chief]

'Some perspective' - shorthand for 'I'm perfectly happy with the substandard crap being currently presented and you should be too, and if you're not, you're obviously not as intelligent as me'.

Here's some perspective. This isn't good enough.

 

[wiggy]

I think comparing Southend to Everton is exactly why I started a thread called "Some perspective" cheers for the laugh mate.

No worries Stevie

 

[The_Beard]

'Some perspective' - shorthand for 'I'm perfectly happy with the substandard crap being currently presented and you should be too, and if you're not, you're obviously not as intelligent as me'.

Here's some perspective. This isn't good enough.

It is strange how people have read 'Some perspective" and translated that in to what ever fits the narrative they've been arguing in their own head about. You don't need to shorthand it, I was perfectly clear with what I was calling for perspective on.

I agree, boring football is boring. I agree rubbish football is rubbish.

What I think is verging on silly is complaining about the setup of a club that just came back from the brink, like it didn't happen. I know football fans memories are short, but some of the stuff said on here is ridiculous.

 

[Cricko]

It is strange how people have read 'Some perspective" and translated that in to what ever fits the narrative they've been arguing in their own head about. You don't need to shorthand it, I was perfectly clear with what I was calling for perspective on.

I agree, boring football is boring. I agree rubbish football is rubbish.

What I think is verging on silly is complaining about the setup of a club that just came back from the brink, like it didn't happen. I know football fans memories are short, but some of the stuff said on here is ridiculous.

In your opinion.

 

[The Original Tribal Chief]

It is strange how people have read 'Some perspective" and translated that in to what ever fits the narrative they've been arguing in their own head about. You don't need to shorthand it, I was perfectly clear with what I was calling for perspective on.

I agree, boring football is boring. I agree rubbish football is rubbish.

What I think is verging on silly is complaining about the setup of a club that just came back from the brink, like it didn't happen. I know football fans memories are short, but some of the stuff said on here is ridiculous.

More self-righteous crap.

 

[The_Beard]

In your opinion.

Do we all have to preface our opinions with "In my opinion" or is just people you don't agree with?

 

[The_Beard]

More self-righteous crap.

See Crickos post

 

[Cricko]

Do we all have to preface our opinions with "In my opinion" or is just people you don't agree with?

No but it would help if you decide to make your own views known and then not describe others as ridiculous.

 

[The_Beard]

No but it would help if you decide to make your own views known and then not describe others as ridiculous.

Sure, but I don't see you rushing to correct TOTC for saying my opinion is self-righteous crap?

From this point forward you can save yourself some time and assume that everything I say on here is my opinion, same as everyone else

 

[Dave Smiths Love Child]

I think the point your missing is: Bob hasn't left the hospital yet.

If in 25 years time we've been relegated three times and Justin is caught on webcam calling fans idiots you've every right to throw a custard pie in my face.

Where is this footage out of interest?

 

[Blues4LifeDan]

There is an in-joke amongst my friends and I that first came into fruition in our first season down here. We were on the train back from Chesterfield after getting a credible 2-2 draw. Everything in the league was still new to us but we felt like a big fish in a small pond. A group of Chesterfield fans spoke to us and we were rather naively talking about a quick return back to the league. They laughed and said, "You'll be here 5 years." We replied back with an instant, "No, you don't know what you're taking about." That saying became the in-joke from then on, "Here 5 years." My friends kept using it as a retort when anything went 'bad' with us thereafter, (saying it ironically because we thought it was a ludicrous comment and that we'd not be here that long). As time has gone on, that in-joke has slowly lost its slightly humorous connotation and has most definitely become a sobering reality. They were absolutely right! Of course they were, they had all the experience of it and knew what it took.

That knowledge and prediction was coming from fans of a club who had a new stadium, great coach and money to spend. How on earth can we honestly believe we should be doing things quicker when it took them and many other clubs so long? These things take time to rebuild. There was/is so much wrong with our club, not just the squad. There is no quick fix, it's as simple as that. Just like my friends and I having to accept the reality of what we were told 3 years ago, we as a collective need to accept this won't happen overnight. Too much has to change and be put right first.

Yes, we want to play better football, but we have done that under this manager previously, so we know it can be achieved. But the bigger picture is far beyond that. Not once has Justin Rees said we have to go up this season. If that expectation isn't there for Kev to achieve this season, why would COSU spend money they don't want to lose, sacking the management team? It's counterproductive to their plans.

Don't get me wrong, no one is infallible, and Kev rightly deserves criticism for some of his decisions, but that doesn't mean he has to be abused and thrown out of the very club that others would have walked away from. Plenty of voices were spouting for him to be 'loyal' when Gillingham were sniffing around him. He stayed and remained 'loyal'. Is the same loyalty and respect being shown in return? He and the players need support in sticky situations, not chants of 'sideways and backwards' when it's 0-0. How is that honestly going to help anyone?

We are much stronger 'united'. Let's bring that back and try and progress together. That was the club and ideology we all fought for wasn't it? Utb!

 

[MC BLUES]

According to the OP this is about Bob in hospital, SUFC and 6000 idiots!

He says “We are Bob.”

That makes us 2 Bob which right now is on the money, excuse the pun!!

 

[WestyReturns]

A lot of nonsence being spouted on here recently, and yes I know that's par for the course, but seems like the crazy went up a few notches so I wanted to put up a counter point to the madness.

The first concept to get your head around is the idea of a rebuild. Rebuilds are not instant, even for a team that hasn't had the issues we have, but has perhaps aged out of being contender for whatever league they're in, in whatever sport they're in. To undo they damage that was done over DECADES will take DECADES. We have not yet progressed from "survive" to "thrive".

The best analogy I can think of for the way some people think on here is: imagine Bob is in a hospital and goes in to cardiac arrest, but is resusitated by the will and skill of the Cardiac Operations Special Unit. Bob is now in recovery, he may have long term physical damage that will require ongoing medical care and physiotherapy. The day after Bob's life saving operation, 6000 idiots burst in to his room demanding he run, and win, the London Marathon.

We are Bob.

The club are twelfth in the league, they're not in immediate danger. Yes, performances have been dire on occasion, but if you're surprised by that as a Southend fan, congrats on attending your first game. My opinion is if we make it out of the National League by the end of the decade, that's probably on track with where a club that came so close to the brink should be.

Those of you that are tearing your hair out because the club aren't challenging for the top spot: adjust your expectations, I promise you, you'll have more fun. Get mad at individual performances, for sure, but don't call for wholesale changes to a club that desperately need to stabilize, you'll never be happy.

Leyton Orient destroyed your theory by 9 years. What happened to them on the pitch was transformed by a quality managerial appointment and shrewd signings. I have no doubt a better manager would get us in top 7 with what we have now getting the best out of the players we have, not the worst.

I don't see anyone expecting top of the table though. We're losing to teams with budgets a tiny fraction what what Kev has to use.

 

[Harry Bullocks]

Whilst , depending on his political persuasion, reading either the mail or Guardian over his morning vodka

Or Razzle

 

[Shrimper]

A lot of nonsence being spouted on here recently, and yes I know that's par for the course, but seems like the crazy went up a few notches so I wanted to put up a counter point to the madness.

The first concept to get your head around is the idea of a rebuild. Rebuilds are not instant, even for a team that hasn't had the issues we have, but has perhaps aged out of being contender for whatever league they're in, in whatever sport they're in. To undo they damage that was done over DECADES will take DECADES. We have not yet progressed from "survive" to "thrive".

The best analogy I can think of for the way some people think on here is: imagine Bob is in a hospital and goes in to cardiac arrest, but is resusitated by the will and skill of the Cardiac Operations Special Unit. Bob is now in recovery, he may have long term physical damage that will require ongoing medical care and physiotherapy. The day after Bob's life saving operation, 6000 idiots burst in to his room demanding he run, and win, the London Marathon.

We are Bob.

The club are twelfth in the league, they're not in immediate danger. Yes, performances have been dire on occasion, but if you're surprised by that as a Southend fan, congrats on attending your first game. My opinion is if we make it out of the National League by the end of the decade, that's probably on track with where a club that came so close to the brink should be.

Those of you that are tearing your hair out because the club aren't challenging for the top spot: adjust your expectations, I promise you, you'll have more fun. Get mad at individual performances, for sure, but don't call for wholesale changes to a club that desperately need to stabilize, you'll never be happy.

Not many people expected us to challenge for top spot but they were hopeful of us challenging for the play-offs.

My expectations are for us to challenge every game and try to win every game with players doing there all. Week in, week out. It isn't much to ask but I'm not seeing a lot of it this season

 

[The Original Tribal Chief]

Not many people expected us to challenge for top spot but they were hopeful of us challenging for the play-offs.

My expectations are for us to challenge every game and try to win every game with players doing there all. Week in, week out. It isn't much to ask but I'm not seeing a lot of it this season

FourFourTwo predicted us to finish second. That seemed like a realistic aspiration at the beginning of the season.

 

[Shrimper]

FourFourTwo predicted us to finish second. That seemed like a realistic aspiration at the beginning of the season.

At the start of the season I would have expected us to be challenging that 4-7 spot with a possibility of better. There seems to be a misconception though that people believed that some of us expected us to do a "Wrexham"

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Yes, performances have been dire on occasion, but if you're surprised by that as a Southend fan, congrats on attending your first game.

Could you be any more patronising?

When you watch a change of formation to 343, 2 wins, high pressing attacking football then against Maidenhead, (who last kept a clean sheet against us) revert back to a timid defensive 532/352 formation that offers nothing, you wonder why.
I am certainly not happy with that sort of thought process from the manager. The sort of formation that gives you a dire performance in the league just 2 weeks after 2 good performances is not what I want from a manager and can't be blamed on any sort of transition period, just stubbornness from a manager who has run out of ideas