Question Should Nile Ranger's contract be terminated?

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[Spaceman Spiff]

Absolutely 100% no. I'm not at all in favour of this modern obsession with resignations, sackings and other extra-judicial punishments for crimes - no matter how heinous. This is what courts are for. Courts will assess, pass judgment and then sentence accordingly. Nile must accept his punishment like a man and pay his due to society. Justice must be seen to be done. However, any sanction above that handed down by our courts is both unnecessary and counterproductive. Does anybody really believe that society is best served by crushing/banishing/destroying the lives of offenders totally and completely over and above court-issued punishment? Get real. Judges have the powers to pass appropriate sentences IN FULL to ensure offenders and both punished and pay their debt to society. Justice will be served in full. Beyond that, it is surely in everyone's interest for rehabilitation, support and guidance to be given to help wayward characters reform. This is both right and prudent. For me, Nile's guilty plea was the right thing to do and he must accept his punishment. If his punishment involves a custodial sentence or any sanction which would prevent him fulfilling his contractual obligations to SUFC for a period then it would be reasonable to consider him forfeiting his salary for that period. However once he has completed his punishment, if he is still under contract to us I firmly believe it is in everyone's best interests that he returns, is forgiven, and is allowed the opportunity to repay the faith and support shown in him. By the way, whatever happened in the past is in the past. Either he has punishments outstanding for that or he has already served them - in which case they are not relevant now, IMO.

Having said all that, I would be very much in favour of an element of his punishment being both community service to enable him to understand better the impact of his actions on his victim, along with some targeted counselling/therapy to help define right and wrong for him (which he clearly didn't get as a child).

 

[southendkid]

interesting that Sheff United chose to get rid of Ched Evans and yet Evans was eventually acquitted

He was acquitted after they got rid of him. Yes Evans eventually did have his contract revoked but a lot of convinced rapists claim they are innocent even if they aren't, you can't really blame the club for taking the court's verdict over his word.

 

[Ex-Member1]

As I see it, any decision on fulfilling his contract must surely depend on whether or not he keeps his freedom after the sentencing hearing. I hope he does as I firmly believe we should give him a break and, in effect, assist his rehabilitation, every one deserves a chance. I just hope that the decision isn't taken out of the Club's hands by the Court.

 

[buffalowolf]

To the 3 people who voted yes immediately, i say think about what Jesussaid to the crowd wanting to stone the prostitute,let he that is free of sin ,cast the first stone

 

[rigsby]

To the 3 people who voted yes immediately, i say think about what Jesussaid to the crowd wanting to stone the prostitute,let he that is free of sin ,cast the first stone

I think the exact words were "that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah"

 

[AndyT]

I don't quite understand the thinking behind the 12 people selecting B. Choosing A or C I can understand, but he's admitted the offence, so why would your opinion change when he's sentenced??? If he'd pleaded not guilty I'd understand, but as he's admitted it we can reasonably assume he did it. Why would waiting until sentencing change your opinion? Is a convicted fraudster any different to a non convicted fraudster?

Depends how long he goes to prison, I guess.

 

[AndyT]

Ground floor:
Perfumery, stationery, and leather goods, wigs and haberdashery, kitchenware and food. Going up...

:smile: "You've all done very well!"

 

[AndyT]

I think the exact words were "that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah"

:smile:

"Lay off, we haven't started yet!"

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

:smile:

"Lay off, we haven't started yet!"

"Stop! Stop it! Nobody - and I want to make this absolutely clear - nobody is to stone anybody until I blow this whistle!"

 

[overseas shrimper]

Absolutely 100% no. I'm not at all in favour of this modern obsession with resignations, sackings and other extra-judicial punishments for crimes - no matter how heinous. This is what courts are for. Courts will assess, pass judgment and then sentence accordingly. Nile must accept his punishment like a man and pay his due to society. Justice must be seen to be done. However, any sanction above that handed down by our courts is both unnecessary and counterproductive. Does anybody really believe that society is best served by crushing/banishing/destroying the lives of offenders totally and completely over and above court-issued punishment? Get real. Judges have the powers to pass appropriate sentences IN FULL to ensure offenders and both punished and pay their debt to society. Justice will be served in full. Beyond that, it is surely in everyone's interest for rehabilitation, support and guidance to be given to help wayward characters reform. This is both right and prudent. For me, Nile's guilty plea was the right thing to do and he must accept his punishment. If his punishment involves a custodial sentence or any sanction which would prevent him fulfilling his contractual obligations to SUFC for a period then it would be reasonable to consider him forfeiting his salary for that period. However once he has completed his punishment, if he is still under contract to us I firmly believe it is in everyone's best interests that he returns, is forgiven, and is allowed the opportunity to repay the faith and support shown in him. By the way, whatever happened in the past is in the past. Either he has punishments outstanding for that or he has already served them - in which case they are not relevant now, IMO.

Having said all that, I would be very much in favour of an element of his punishment being both community service to enable him to understand better the impact of his actions on his victim, along with some targeted counselling/therapy to help define right and wrong for him (which he clearly didn't get as a child).

Basically this.

 

[Mad Cyril]

I would like to see Nile Ranger appointed as SUFC HMRC liason officer.

 

[united we stand]

I don't quite understand the thinking behind the 12 people selecting B. Choosing A or C I can understand, but he's admitted the offence, so why would your opinion change when he's sentenced??? If he'd pleaded not guilty I'd understand, but as he's admitted it we can reasonably assume he did it. Why would waiting until sentencing change your opinion? Is a convicted fraudster any different to a non convicted fraudster?

I guess no one knows but, if he were to get a custodial sentence would we still have to pay him? We could certainly sack him for breach of contract but if we don't pay him have we breached it ?

 

[AndyT]

Depends what his contract says, I guess.

He hasn't breached anything, whilst at our club, unless one of the points reads :

(iv) Are you likely to have your collar felt by HMP at any point between now and the end of your contract. You know, like something you might have done before you arrived, like. Maybe a misdemeanor you aren't telling us about. You get my drift, eh?

 

[onceknownasrab]

It's an interesting situation and one that will divide opinion. Football, for whatever reason, is a law unto itself and is so forgiving toward almost any crime as long as the offender is a good player. If this were about Jeremy Corbyn or T bird May, however long ago the crime, they would be out of a job.

Some argue that the courts deal with it, and once punished, the offender has paid his/her debt and should not be punished further. To many, particularly the victims, the law is too often falling short of justice and the penalties imposed are feeble. The offender moves on while the victim continues to suffer.

For me it is all about contrition. If the offender acknowledges their wrong doing, and has genuine remorse for their action, then they should be allowed to make better of their life. Hopefully they will not repeat their mistake and will try to make amends by example.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

It's an interesting situation and one that will divide opinion. Football, for whatever reason, is a law unto itself and is so forgiving toward almost any crime as long as the offender is a good player. If this were about Jeremy Corbyn or T bird May, however long ago the crime, they would be out of a job.

Some argue that the courts deal with it, and once punished, the offender has paid his/her debt and should not be punished further. To many, particularly the victims, the law is too often falling short of justice and the penalties imposed are feeble. The offender moves on while the victim continues to suffer.

For me it is all about contrition. If the offender acknowledges their wrong doing, and has genuine remorse for their action, then they should be allowed to make better of their life. Hopefully they will not repeat their mistake and will try to make amends by example.

That is somewhat different. The PM and 'call me Jezza' are both prominent members of our parliamentary democracy with a direct responsibility to shape and influence the law. They clearly can't be proven by a court of law to be confidence tricksters.

 

[Shrimperforlife]

That is somewhat different. The PM and 'call me Jezza' are both prominent members of our parliamentary democracy with a direct responsibility to shape and influence the law. They clearly can't be proven by a court of law to be confidence tricksters.

Yet when historical abuse of ''expenses'' was in the headlines, people wanted their heads , its swindling , but only of the state not an individual.... but it doesn't make it right

Footballers are not above the law, and they MUST accept that they influence society and more so the young .....

The fact that it is an old person , whom is unwell, makes it worse ......imagine if it was your mother ......

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Yet when historical abuse of ''expenses'' was in the headlines, people wanted their heads , its swindling , but only of the state not an individual.... but it doesn't make it right

Footballers are not above the law, and they MUST accept that they influence society and more so the young .....

The fact that it is an old person , whom is unwell, makes it worse ......imagine if it was your mother ......

The point is that it is for the courts to hear cases, judge and pass sentence. Not for mob rule to decide arbitrarily on extra-judicial sanctions

 

[meerkat54]

We should back NR fully if the event took place before he came to the blues ! I believe he has been a model pro since coming to us. He has been quite a find for us and is clearly better quality than the average div1 player, we were very lucky to sign him. So lets not take the view to hang him high if found guilty !

 

[Shrimperforlife]

The point is that it is for the courts to hear cases, judge and pass sentence. Not for mob rule to decide arbitrarily on extra-judicial sanctions

Mob rule changed the expenses system due to public outcry ......

If I did this in my line of work I wouldn't last long....