Ron backs Phil to get Blues in top form

[Bolton Shrimper]

That's the public statement. We don't know what's been said in private. Hopefully "SORT IT OR YOU'RE GONE." Any less than 2 wins from the next 3 games and it is up to us as fans to make him go.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Phil Brown comes out and roasts his players and supporters get on his back saying he needs to encourage etc - Ron comes out and encourages by saying he has faith etc and supporters get on his back .

Funny old game this football lark

For what its worth I think PB will keep us up , the league is very tight and 2 or 3 wins on the bounce can see us fly up the league , surely it must be more drepessing being a Charlton and Millwall fan who were tipped to do great things in this league and are on the same points as us

This won't happen, hence the problem

 

[Razam]

Phil Brown comes out and roasts his players and supporters get on his back saying he needs to encourage etc - Ron comes out and encourages by saying he has faith etc and supporters get on his back .

Funny old game this football lark

For what its worth I think PB will keep us up , the league is very tight and 2 or 3 wins on the bounce can see us fly up the league , surely it must be more drepessing being a Charlton and Millwall fan who were tipped to do great things in this league and are on the same points as us

Based on the last few months, how realistic do you see that? :unsure:

 

[Shrimper]

No mention of the stadium

 

[rigsby]

Pompey fans have managed to make a success of a decrepit stadium, and paying relatively large wages in the process. Depends how much the fans value having a football club doesn't it really.
With a sympathetic and realistic approach to spatial planning, Roots Hall could easily be improved to maximise non-matchday revenue streams, which would enable the Club to operate sustainably.

If you call dropping into L2 from the PL a success. I've sat in their main stand the atmosphere is toxic, which is why they are still in L2.

As you are in the business I don't see how you can claim RH can easily improve without substantial investment. Even if you did who is going to stay in the RH hotel or have their wedding in the newly painted Shrimpers bar.

Realistically mate, I suspect the most fruitful way of attempting such a takeover would be to get a decent enough core of supporters to commit to a peppercorn investment as suggested, and approach local business leaders/chamber of commerce to tout interested parties (I suspect there would be significant intererst with a change of regime proposed)...

The only time we might see 'significant' interest would be if FF is at least 75% finished. Investing in our club while it remains at RH is an absolute non starter. All the money is in the move to FF because only then can you develop RH.

I know some of you won't like that but its the truth and the truth sometimes hurts.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Pompey fans have managed to make a success of a decrepit stadium, and paying relatively large wages in the process. Depends how much the fans value having a football club doesn't it really.

Ah, but Portsmouth have a much bigger supporter base from which to draw.

With a sympathetic and realistic approach to spatial planning, Roots Hall could easily be improved to maximise non-matchday revenue streams, which would enable the Club to operate sustainably.

Seriously, it couldn't.

 

[Sherif H]

If you call dropping into L2 from the PL a success. I've sat in their main stand the atmosphere is toxic, which is why they are still in L2.

As you are in the business I don't see how you can claim RH can easily improve without substantial investment. Even if you did who is going to stay in the RH hotel or have their wedding in the newly painted Shrimpers bar.



The only time we might see 'significant' interest would be if FF is at least 75% finished. Investing in our club while it remains at RH is an absolute non starter. All the money is in the move to FF because only then can you develop RH.

I know some of you won't like that but its the truth and the truth sometimes hurts.

First off, the Pompey Supporters Trust didn't step in until two successive administrations had stripped the club of it's entire playing staff, subsequently leading to the drop from PL to League Two, so best to get facts straight first.

Secondly, yes, I do work in the industry - 14 years specifically in stadium design, funding and development, and I'd appreciate it if you could clarify where exactly I said "RH can easily improve without substantial investment". What I in fact said was "with a sympathetic and realistic approach to spatial planning" - this meaning that re-design and targetted refurbishment of certain elements of the ground within the site limitations to enable non-matchday revenue streams to be optimised and maximised. This gives any new regime an opportunity to make Roots Hall work for the club and it's supporters in the short to medium term whilst a realistic proposition to move is explored (i.e. not one slavishly loaded with retail/commercial to pacify a development partner and **** off the Council).

 

[Sherif H]

Ah, but Portsmouth have a much bigger supporter base from which to draw.

Seriously, it couldn't.

With that outlook, it probably explains why there is no proactive movement to challenge RM, and why we are destined to go down the pan due to supporter apathy.

 

[Tommy2holes]

Ron is a poor chairman who appears to have some kind of love affair with Phil Brown. He has sacked other managers for less.

Phil Brown is a poor manager who has the favour of a chairman who has sacked others for far less.

Basically Phil Brown is the winner here. If he succeeds he stays in a job and will more than likely jump ship.

If he gets the sack he gets a massive pay out despite being terrible at his job.

In short this situation is bad for the club the team and the fans, and highlights the state of football.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't voice our own displeasure should there be another poor performance come Saturday.

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

Vote of confidence. Needs a win on Saturday. Chesterfield is a winnable game as long as he doesn't come up with a bizarre team selection. I reckon he'll go 442 with Ferdinand in midfield after his cameo show at Rochdale.

 

[rigsby]

First off, the Pompey Supporters Trust didn't step in until two successive administrations had stripped the club of it's entire playing staff, subsequently leading to the drop from PL to League Two, so best to get facts straight first.

Secondly, yes, I do work in the industry - 14 years specifically in stadium design, funding and development, and I'd appreciate it if you could clarify where exactly I said "RH can easily improve without substantial investment". What I in fact said was "with a sympathetic and realistic approach to spatial planning" - this meaning that re-design and targetted refurbishment of certain elements of the ground within the site limitations to enable non-matchday revenue streams to be optimised and maximised. This gives any new regime an opportunity to make Roots Hall work for the club and it's supporters in the short to medium term whilst a realistic proposition to move is explored (i.e. not one slavishly loaded with retail/commercial to pacify a development partner and **** off the Council).

Pompey are a perfect example of failure due to old stadium. They had what some Southend fans crave for, nice foreigners with cash to burn/launder. Because the ground, just like RH, is not set up for match day revenue let alone non match day revenue they could not possibly sustain themselves in the PL.

Just like we would totally fail in the Championship with the current set up.....Even if someone invested money in the team to get us there in the first place.

Try having a walk round the boxes etc at RH. Look where the fire escape is and you will see we will be lucky to get a safety certificate when rules are further tightened in the future. To stay there needs money no one will invest and even if they did RH is in the wrong part of town to be attractive on non match days.

The latest FF project has housing incorporated because that what the council want. If they want less commercial have more housing.

 

[Sherif H]

I give up...

 

[rigsby]

Ron is a poor chairman who appears to have some kind of love affair with Phil Brown. He has sacked other managers for less.

Phil Brown is a poor manager who has the favour of a chairman who has sacked others for far less.

Basically Phil Brown is the winner here. If he succeeds he stays in a job and will more than likely jump ship.

If he gets the sack he gets a massive pay out despite being terrible at his job.

In short this situation is bad for the club the team and the fans, and highlights the state of football.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't voice our own displeasure should there be another poor performance come Saturday.

If that's the case list the clubs who have the same debt and a similar turnover to us but finished higher than us last season.

Now look at your list and have a reality check.

 

[Tommy2holes]

If that's the case list the clubs who have the same debt and a similar turnover to us but finished higher than us last season.

Now look at your list and have a reality check.

Why do I need to compare us to other clubs?

Plenty of clubs in the lower leagues actually own their own stadium and also have chairman's that are forward thinking for their club and not just their own personal gain.

As for Phil Brown. His win ratio since the turn of the year is relegation material. On that basis he should be out of a job. That's the way the industry works is it not?

Ron Martin has gambled his own personal future with that of OUR football club. Anybody who is not concerned by that, should be.

 

[Ironshrimper]

I really thought there would be Brown Out banners (for the chairman to see) (Peter Taylor!) and organised sit ins or something by now, I'm surprised.

 

[baldyian]

Why do I need to compare us to other clubs?

Plenty of clubs in the lower leagues actually own their own stadium and also have chairman's that are forward thinking for their club and not just their own personal gain.

As for Phil Brown. His win ratio since the turn of the year is relegation material. On that basis he should be out of a job. That's the way the industry works is it not?

Ron Martin has gambled his own personal future with that of OUR football club. Anybody who is not concerned by that, should be.

Much though we may not like to acknowledge it, it actually does not legally belong to the supporters and so can't be OUR club. Like it or not RM does not have to listen to the fans if he does not want to.

That's not to say that some valid points have not been made, but until the club is wholly owned by it's supporters it will remain RM's club. And that means he can do with it what he chooses. Whether the fans like it or not that's the situation.

The only action that will affect RM is to stop paying to watch the Blues, and thus reduce his revenue, but I suspect that would bring even less chance of investment. However, that then becomes a completely different argument not for this thread.

 

[Barry.C]

If that's the case list the clubs who have the same debt and a similar turnover to us but finished higher than us last season.

Now look at your list and have a reality check.

just to help us out and get us started could you please let us know the precise debt levels of the other 23 clubs, I would genuinely be fascinated to know.

 

[LennySUFC]

I really thought there would be Brown Out banners (for the chairman to see) (Peter Taylor!) and organised sit ins or something by now, I'm surprised.

Do TBV still exist? Do they have an opinion? Wallace?

 

[united we stand]

I give up...

Don't, the majority of us I'm sure would rather listen to someone that has the knowledge and experience to back up their opinion.

 

[RHB]

There have been a lot of heartfelt genuine comments on here and other threads on what supporters could/should do to get rid of Phil Brown. I've been following the Blues for many years and have encountered some seriously disappointing managers and chairmen who I felt required removal. What I haven't encountered is concerted supporter action which has directly led to their removal, any of them. I have seen gates plummet, sprayed bed sheets displayed around the ground, impromptu pitch invasions (never going to Basildon) but until results are so bad that the chairman acts nothing else has worked to my recollection. Supporter power has never played a big role in the politics of Southend United FC.

PB will be Southend's manager until Ron decides otherwise. PB has nowhere else to go as manager and therefore he's not going to resign, and for that matter, his ego wouldn't let him. Some think that Ron's vote of confidence is the kiss of death for Mr Brown, I think the opposite. I genuinely believe Ron is still giving him his full backing and nothing I or you say or do will change that. I don't pretend to understand why Ron is so supportive, but there again I don't understand a lot of things about Ron, especially the lack of any activity on FF (but that's for another thread).

Sherif is probably right when he says we are apathetic as a collective group where action is required. I include myself in that label and It's not something I'm particularly proud of.