Breaking News Paul Brush Dismissed...

[palexander]

I maybe wrong but im sure there were times other clubs were denied an approcah for Tilly.

Of course Tilly has his faults but when he has been given a settled and happy squad he has achieved results albeit with a little luck (finding Mr. Eastwood etc) but show me a manger who hasn't needed this

I agree to a point - but look at Colin Murphy. If he had Collymore since August and we were winning games (mainly off of Collymore being a class above and scoring lots of goals), it would have bred confidence in the side and momentum and we may have finished high in the league that season.

Does that make Murphy a good manager?

A real test of a managers metal is when he doesnt have everything on a plate and has to come up with that extra 10% - a new idea, innovation, motivation etc - thats when you see a true test of someone's talent.

Again, this season is obviously unfair to fully judge Tilson as it isnt a level playing field, but we arent the only club to have suffered financial problems (probably not the only one to not pay players either) and it instead of fighting, Tilson has the impression of someone that has given up and run out of ideas - do we stick with that, or look to change it?

 

[ElstreeBlue]

I'm not sure you can say that without knowing all of the facts. Going into administration at that time would have meant a 10 point deduction and placed us into a relegation battle that we weren't yet in. Ron says today that relegation "would be fatal" (and some people have argued that for some time now) and to have taken the 10 point hit would have been a step towards condemning us towards that fate. Of course events on the football field have pushed us into a relegation battle and we have shown no signs of being able to pull us clear.

Your point about Ron believing his own hype seems to be becoming clearer and clearer by the day though, as evidenced by his ridiculous comment about us being "too good to go down". Get a grip man! :darkcloud:

Actually, I'm surprised it's taken this long to sack Tilly or Brush. After all, the squad size was ok this season and they wouldn't have changed their starting 11 in any game.

Awful management from Tilly & Brush. One of them clearly had to go. Squandering this opportunity with the golden generation this season.

Never mind staying up, we should have walked the league this year and taken up our rightful place in the Championship where our club has always belonged.

 

[wynyates]

You are of course correct chrisblore - I don't know all the facts. That's what's so frustrating and I will never know all of the fatcts. Even if I'm told them I will not believe them.

I've had enough. Ron can play with his team but he's not using any more of my money.

 

[mattytheshrimper]

there has to be protest. what else can we do. sit on our hands whilst rons wrekcs our club more and more each day, the man is a joke.

 

[NobbySnide2]

I had a dream

no BS, but last night, I had a dream that both Tilson and Brush left the club and Barrett ended as player manager.....


Oh DEAR, I'm sorry, its all my fault.

 

[Pubey]

there has to be protest. what else can we do. sit on our hands whilst rons wrekcs our club more and more each day, the man is a joke.

what is the aim of your protest?

 

[Bob Cratchitt]

Didnt we recruit someone recently, an ex-agent, who was responsible for purchases? An ex-Hammer?

Naps is he an ex-agent?

Interestingly you can never find his name on the list of club officials. I guess shareholders are privy to who the employees of the club are.

 

[mattytheshrimper]

what is the aim of your protest?

too try and do whatever we can to stop rm ruining whats left of our club. great comment, ****

 

[GNH]

A real test of a managers metal is when he doesnt have everything on a plate and has to come up with that extra 10% - a new idea, innovation, motivation etc - thats when you see a true test of someone's talent.

Again, this season is obviously unfair to fully judge Tilson as it isnt a level playing field, but we arent the only club to have suffered financial problems (probably not the only one to not pay players either) and it instead of fighting, Tilson has the impression of someone that has given up and run out of ideas - do we stick with that, or look to change it?

You may well be right, that's why opinions are so well debated, we just dont know but i think we're sure as hell just about to find out because i cant see Tilly still being at the club in a few weeks at the most

 

[canveyshrimper]

too try and do whatever we can to stop rm ruining whats left of our club. great comment, ****

Pubey asked a reasonable question and didn't need the abusive retort. I know people are emotional but calm down and cut the abuse.

Thank you.

 

[Shrimper]

Couldn't believe it when i heard it and i thought they were lying. Shame to see him go but all the best for the future and here's hoping the players respond with a win on Saturday.

 

[Welly7]

Let's kill this nonsense right now. We know why Brushy was sacked and it wasn't because he's a rubbish coach.

No doubt we'll be told Tilly was right behind the parting of the ways....until Tilly walks out too.

Spot on, this decision has nothing to do with football and for Martin to try and coat over it all with a statement that says decision was made with Tilly's backing is just ridiculous and yet so typical of our chairman.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

But i think thats why the "Tilly & Brush" duo worked so well. Tilly to give the comforting talks and encouragment where needed and Brush to give the deserved bollockings when needed. Being liked doesn't make you a good manager, the complete opposite is sometimes the case

Don't disagree with any of that, but were the deserved bollockings working?

It might not be Brushy's fault, but things needed shaking up.
We haven't kept a clean sheet for God knows how long, despite signing three defenders on loan - and according to you lot at least two of the three are rubbish. Was that Brushy's area of responsibility?

I don't think sacking Tilly was ever a viable option and there's **** all money available, so what other options were left?

Remember, you can't just magic money out of thin air, so that limits our options considerably.

Something had to be done. Whether that will be enough remains to be seen, although I suspect it won't be.

So I'm sad to see Brush go, but I'm more sad because of the circumstances we find ourselves in. Maybe things just have gone stale, like they did for him at Orient, maybe it is just another cost-cutting exercise. Either way he goes with my best wishes and gratitude for all his hard work and his contribution to our success over the last few years.

 

[jassyfa1]

I can't really see how a protest is going to help. We Know the club reads what is written on here and they know we are upset over this latest setback. So come Saturday there will be people protesting in the car park in the cold and dark, while Ron is sitting in a warm room somewhere out of earshot having a drink or two.
If you want to protest, I can see there being 2 choices a) don't turn up, vote with your feet and stay indoors, although the club will lose money they can't afford to lose or b) 90 minutes of 'there is only Paul Brush' regardless of what is happening on the pitch.
We have done the protests before in the Jobson era, and for what nothing

 

[TrueBlue]

I can't really see how a protest is going to help. We Know the club reads what is written on here and they know we are upset over this latest setback. So come Saturday there will be people protesting in the car park in the cold and dark, while Ron is sitting in a warm room somewhere out of earshot having a drink or two.
If you want to protest, I can see there being 2 choices a) don't turn up, vote with your feet and stay indoors, although the club will lose money they can't afford to lose or b) 90 minutes of 'there is only Paul Brush' regardless of what is happening on the pitch.
We have done the protests before in the Jobson era, and for what nothing

Because doing nothing lets the club get away with it AGAIN and AGAIN they think we are weak

 

[Pubey]

too try and do whatever we can to stop rm ruining whats left of our club. great comment, ****

It's complete speculation as to what's happened with Brushy, and I'm as frustrated as anyone. However it's still crucial to focus on the fact that RM is set to lose more than anyone if SUFC get's ruined. He's pumped in huge amounts of personal wealth, and he needs the club to be successful for his gamble to pay out. I'd take a guess that if SUFC is ****ed, then so is he. I'd rather have a chairman who's interests are intrinsically linked like this, than have a short-term owner who is looking to quickly dry-rape us.

Now I agree that it's frustrating/strange/worrying, that he's been pumping money in, we're still in limbo about the stadium, and that we are in imminent danger of being relegated... HOWEVER, I don't think we have any other option. If RM was to leave, we'd go into administration, be relegated, lose our squad and we'd not have an old ground, a new ground, no owner and I doubt we'd be attractive to any new owner(s).

Basically we're between a rock and a hard place. This is the time for fans to stick together and work on supporting the team. I can't see what a protest will achieve, I'm sure RM is focussed on sorting things out... a protest will detract from him focussing on the Winding up order/the new ground/cash flow. I'm sure he knows how frustrated and worried we all are.

I personally support the shareholders looking to force an EGM.

 

[overseas shrimper]

Not being funny but Tilson is nothing without Brush!

Probably, but we don't know that for sure.

 

[GNH]

Don't disagree with any of that, but were the deserved bollockings working?

It might not be Brushy's fault, but things needed shaking up.
We haven't kept a clean sheet for God knows how long, despite signing three defenders on loan - and according to you lot at least two of the three are rubbish. Was that Brushy's area of responsibility?

Something had to be done. Whether that will be enough remains to be seen, although I suspect it won't be.

I agree something had to be done, but that something was to enable Tilly to bring is permanent players that he wants at the club, i may be wrong but i see the likes of Mvoto, Malone, Vernon et al being last ditch options to have bodies available rather than wanting these people here to improve the squad.

Yes we're short of cash for doing that but simply because RM is going for gold (maybe he's really Henry Kelly with that hair?) with the development of FF

 

[Beefy]

Tilson cannot keep moaning about wanting to improve the squad - this is HIS squad that HE built. They are his players and he cannot keep chopping and changing due to poor decisions in the market (something I agree with Ron on) - but that said, the wages issue must be affecting the team now.

So Tilson is doing this job one hand tied behind his back, I'm just not convinced his other hand is going to be much cop to us...

I'd find it very difficult to disagree more. Saying "well he bought these players and shouldn't moan" is like saying that you shouldn't complain if your hundred quid, 25 year old Cortina breaks down. He signed these players because he's been shopping in the bargain basement. The honest Pros that he has signed are doing their best (as Charlton and Norwich proved), but they need to be suplemented with one or two players of genuine class and he's not been able to bring that sort of player in.

We have a tiny squad, which means that players who would have been squad players a few years ago have had to play week in week out. The lack of numbers has meant players playing out of position, players playing when 50% fit, players playing when clearly in need of a rest, players playing when clearly out of form. He signed these players but not to play in these circumstances.

As I said before, I think it's impossible to seperate the failings of the Management team from the circumstances that they have had to work with. Yes, other Clubs would have sacked their manager had they had these results, but other Clubs have more than a handful of players and they certainly pay those players.

Man for man there's no footballing reason why these players should not be good enough to stay up. There's very few who I'd say are playing above their level. But in the absense of any single player with a bit of class, with the sheer number of changes that have been made, with the transfer embargos which have curtailed our efforts to even bring in yet more loan signings and the inability to pay the few players we actually have, I ask again who could have done better?

One final point. We've had one Permanent Centre-Half on the books since last summer. One. If you think that that is down to Steve Tilson then you're bonkers. Bonkers, I say.

 

[Tommy2holes]

Thanks for the last 6 years hard work paul and i hope you go on to great things and prove what terrible judgement it has been to let you go.

I for one will definately be up for any kind of protest at the way the club is being run. Will it help? Who knows .

For those of you who are saying you wont protest your probably the same kind of people who go out to eat at a fancy resteraunt pay 100 quid for a meal and when it comes out under cooked or cold just get on and eat it through fear of complaining. We pay a fortune to support this team and we have done in numbers volume and financially. We have every right to complain that the product and management are appaling.