Breaking News Paul Brush Dismissed...

[ElstreeBlue]

Anyone who thinks this was a footballing decision is living in cloud cuckoo land. Or should we call that cloud fossetts land?

From the wording of the statements, I'd be surprised if there is an assistant ready to come in and work their wonders on the training ground and pull us up the league. Why, then, sack Brush if there's no one else ready to come in and help Tilly? Are we more likely to stay up with Tilly on his own rather than with his tried, tested and trusted partner?

Let's kill this nonsense right now. We know why Brushy was sacked and it wasn't because he's a rubbish coach.

No doubt we'll be told Tilly was right behind the parting of the ways....until Tilly walks out too.

Own goal springs to mind.

One other thing - if he's going to be compensated, as the statement suggests, that means that Brush did not do anything to justify his summary dismissal.

When I posted recently - "Could things get any worse?" and I said - well, yes, if we lost T&B, I'm now finding it hard to find any positives. So come on, Ron, you say there are lots of positives around. Tell us what they are. I now can't think of a single one.

 

[palexander]

I'm not sure it is the minority...I agree with the post as well.

We HAVE been extremly patient with the management. PB was employed as a coach, but quite frankly tactics have been awful at times and the coaching has appeared to be non-existent!

Other clubs sack their managers all the time in the persuit of sucess, the club, fans and RM has been VERY patient with our management, but there is no denying the are FAILING this season (badly!).

Yes Barnard was sold, but he had to go! But we brought in three new strikers in January. We have Francis, Malone, Barrett, Baldwin, Laurent, Moussa, Macca, Grant, Patterson....I simply don't believe these are bottom four players - so whats wrong? They are not gelling, and that is the job of the management team. Yes there has been inconsistancy, but that has been due to not signing permenant players - again who's fault? Quite frankly over half of managers at this level are able to bring in a half decent, 'do an ok job' players, but we haven't been able to do this, despite our wage bill being higher than probally all the other clubs in the bottom half of the table. That simply isn't good enough from ST and PB.

Been saying it for ages, yet get constantly shouted down - which has pretty much dwindled my interest in SZ.

I still maintain a change of manager could bring more out of these players and stop us from what is looking inevitably, getting relegated this term.

Like FBM, I can definitely see both sides and points of view. We HAVE been poor this season and also at times in the past, we've all questioned team selection, tactics, subs etc - thats not Ron Martins doing.

And we have also not learned how to defend set pieces - despite it being a long standing issue.

I almost considered Brush the 'brains' of the Tilly & Brush operation, so if the tactical intelligence was failing, then doesnt it make sense to change it up.

On the other side of the coin...

I cannot believe Tilson for one minute condones this move, or is happy about it.

I also think its timing is as ridiculous and desperate as the statement posted on the OS from Martin.

The lack of funds for transfers is not a big an issue to me as the lack of wages being paid to players already contracted. Tilson cannot keep moaning about wanting to improve the squad - this is HIS squad that HE built. They are his players and he cannot keep chopping and changing due to poor decisions in the market (something I agree with Ron on) - but that said, the wages issue must be affecting the team now.

So Tilson is doing this job one hand tied behind his back, I'm just not convinced his other hand is going to be much cop to us...

 

[BILLERICAY BLUE]

That is not good at all and must mean he has "spoken out of turn"

**** me, I dread what others will follow now...

Smiffy, I take it this isn't the good news you were alluding to last week.......;)

 

[Smiffy]

Smiffy, I take it this isn't the good news you were alluding to last week.......;)

Quite.

I was informed some good news was due this week. But it will take something monumental to soften what has happened today.

 

[GNH]

For all of you who think this season is Tilly and Brushes doing, and its showing up their lack of abilities, can you share your reasons for the massive success we have enjoyed over the past few years?

This descison has nothing to do with any footballing reasons, if it were then changes would have been made when we were relagated last time or sometime in the last 6 months

 

[mfurok]

Paul Clark, bless him, was spectacularly unsuccssful, during his 21 months in charge of the Blues

Getting us promoted after Webb walked out and saving us from relegation after Bate started with 2 points from 8 games.

What planet are you on?

 

[sufcfed]

For all of you who think this season is Tilly and Brushes doing, and its showing up their lack of abilities, can you share your reasons for the massive success we have enjoyed over the past few years?

This descison has nothing to do with any footballing reasons, if it were then changes would have been made when we were relagated last time or sometime in the last 6 months

also weird how the dismal run of form coincides with the ''apparent'' delays in paying wages etc.

No matter what squad a management team has would this not have some sort of impact on the players!?

Brush wasnt/isnt the problem, Tilson isnt the problem, the players arent the problem (only sometimes!) ............... Ron?

 

[ElstreeBlue]

Quite.

I was informed some good news was due this week. But it will take something monumental to soften what has happened today.

maybe the good news was the club was going to pay the tax bill?

 

[Paul Byrne's Beer Gut]

Not that I agree with a the decision at all. (considering how close a partnership Tilly and Brush had, I worry about how Tilly will cope alone), but was speaking to a friend (who is also a friend of a certain Mr.Barnard) and he said that many of players don't get along with Brush. And this was said before the sacking too.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Getting us promoted after Webb walked out and saving us from relegation after Bate started with 2 points from 8 games.

What planet are you on?

...and he signed Paul Sansome. :)

 

[palexander]

For all of you who think this season is Tilly and Brushes doing, and its showing up their lack of abilities, can you share your reasons for the massive success we have enjoyed over the past few years?

This descison has nothing to do with any footballing reasons, if it were then changes would have been made when we were relagated last time or sometime in the last 6 months

I've always maintained (even when we WERE doing well), that a lot of it was down to momentum, confidence and Mr Eastwood that got us regular positive results.

I wouldnt be totally naive enough to disregard Tilson's talent (and in years to come, the record books will point to Tilson being the clubs most sucessful manager) - but I dont think he is the genius some people paint him to be.

If he WAS that good, I'm sure other clubs would have made more concerted efforts to take him from us.

EDIT: Just to clarify the original point - I dont think this season is T&B doing by any means, there is FAR too much going on off the field and I certainly felt sorry for them this season. I'm just advocating the fact that (perhaps) someone can do a different/better job.

 

[canveyshrimper]

maybe the good news was the club was going to pay the tax bill?

Not sure but I think Ron was pinning his hopes on winning Euromillions. :unsure:

 

[BrettieAngell]

Getting us promoted after Webb walked out and saving us from relegation after Bate started with 2 points from 8 games.

What planet are you on?

I would welcome Clarky back with open arms!

 

[shrimperton]

Alex Ferguson with Jose Mourinho as his assistant could not have done any better this season

Ron has continually pulled the rug from under Tillys feet in the past and did so again with Barnard and continues to expect him to motivate players who aint been paid and have familys and mortgages to support.

Ron has screwed up chasing his dream golden ticket called Fossetts Farm, 22,000 seater stadium, cant wait for the 4,000 crowd we get for the home game v barnet in league 2 year 2012!!

 

[wynyates]

Bill Jennings?

FWIW, I am with both Suffolk Blue and MtS on this, even though they have opposing views.

There is an element of truth to both cases, and I believe it was Brushy who was more of the "coach" in the relationship.

The Roy O'Donovan hat trick probably was quite telling. On the occasions I saw him he constantly ran the channels but never received the ball. Hartlepool obviously knew how to play him, as did Cork. That is coaching, and I won't have it that we didn't have the players capable of seeing or making the pass. They just weren't encouraged to play that way.

Yet Tilly is unsackable, unless Ron wants thousands of people descending on his house, office, anywhere he happens to be.

For me (as a businessman), whilst I can see and appreciate (though may not agree with) the stance he has adopted over the wages issue, it would seem slightly more than co-incidence that the last time we collected 3 points was in December, which is also the last time the players were paid.

What I cannot for the life of me work out is that when Ron can raise £2.1m to pay off the tax, why not raise £2.3m and sort the wages out for the season?

I assume because the £2.1M was the max. he could raise. This leaves us with the problem tomorrow.

What I don't understand is why pay the Revenue their money at all. The correct business decision should have been to go into Administartion. But RM didn't want to do this. It may be that he believes his own spin.

 

[sufcfed]

Alex Ferguson with Jose Mourinho as his assistant could not have done any better this season

Ron has continually pulled the rug from under Tillys feet in the past and did so again with Barnard and continues to expect him to motivate players who aint been paid and have familys and mortgages to support.

Ron has screwed up chasing his dream golden ticket called Fossetts Farm, 22,000 seater stadium, cant wait for the 4,000 crowd we get for the home game v barnet in league 2!!

hallelujah , speaking sense !

 

[mfurok]

...and he signed Paul Sansome. :)

.......and Peter Buler and David Crown.............

 

[GNH]

If he WAS that good, I'm sure other clubs would have made more concerted efforts to take him from us.

I maybe wrong but im sure there were times other clubs were denied an approcah for Tilly.

Of course Tilly has his faults but when he has been given a settled and happy squad he has achieved results albeit with a little luck (finding Mr. Eastwood etc) but show me a manger who hasn't needed this

 

[GNH]

Not that I agree with a the decision at all. (considering how close a partnership Tilly and Brush had, I worry about how Tilly will cope alone), but was speaking to a friend (who is also a friend of a certain Mr.Barnard) and he said that many of players don't get along with Brush. And this was said before the sacking too.

But i think thats why the "Tilly & Brush" duo worked so well. Tilly to give the comforting talks and encouragment where needed and Brush to give the deserved bollockings when needed. Being liked doesn't make you a good manager, the complete opposite is sometimes the case

 

[Boreham Shrimper]

I assume because the £2.1M was the max. he could raise. This leaves us with the problem tomorrow.

What I don't understand is why pay the Revenue their money at all. The correct business decision should have been to go into Administartion. But RM didn't want to do this. It may be that he believes his own spin.

I'm not sure you can say that without knowing all of the facts. Going into administration at that time would have meant a 10 point deduction and placed us into a relegation battle that we weren't yet in. Ron says today that relegation "would be fatal" (and some people have argued that for some time now) and to have taken the 10 point hit would have been a step towards condemning us towards that fate. Of course events on the football field have pushed us into a relegation battle and we have shown no signs of being able to pull ourselves clear.

Your point about Ron believing his own hype seems to be becoming clearer and clearer by the day though, as evidenced by his ridiculous comment about us being "too good to go down". Get a grip man! :darkcloud: