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A Bit of Fun Mildenhall to Millwall

Yeah several of these £££££ been promised no doubt but he must be wondering if he will actually get them, come on the guy's been around a while and seen just about everything in football I would think, right now him not signing tells me he doesn't trust RM any more than most of us do !


We'll have to disagree then - I don't think he would have agreed to come in the first place unless he had seen something to reassure him, and if he didn't trust Ron at least a little bit more than most of us, he wouldn't have come near Southend!
 
If he goes to Millwall I reckon he'll be warming the bench every week, so he won't be playing above himself at all but replicating Shorty by going for the money (don't blame either of them for that BTW).

Looking at the Millwall stats their current keeper, David Forde has has played every minute of every League match since his Lions debut at the start of the 2008/9 season. He had 19 clean sheets in 2008/09 & 21 last season being narrowly pipped for the Golden Glove award both times. He's only missed 1 JPT game in those 2 seasons, presumably to give the re,serve keeper a run out.

Are they really going to replace him with Moaning Millie?


Flavs left because we only offered him a 1-year contract, whereas Palace were offering 2. Flavs never wanted to leave, but was forced out. Tilly never wanted him gone either
 
And if that doesn't excite you, surely the news that the Trust have been in talks with Sainsbury's property department and now feel that Ron is the horse to back must at least arouse a flicker of hope?

'Back' the man who got us into this situation? He doesn't deserve it.
 
'Back' the man who got us into this situation? He doesn't deserve it.

It's ****-all to do with whether Ron Martin deserves it. The only important thing is if it is in the best interests of our club. And If Ron has managed to get Sainsbury's to back him to the extent that it appears, then the best way forward is to get the Stadium and the supermarket sorted, and then worry about the future of Ron Martin.
 
It's ****-all to do with whether Ron Martin deserves it. The only important thing is if it is in the best interests of our club. And If Ron has managed to get Sainsbury's to back him to the extent that it appears, then the best way forward is to get the Stadium and the supermarket sorted, and then worry about the future of Ron Martin.


This is correct, and I for one do not trust/believe he is the man to steer us forward. On this thread there are a few posts saying we should just back him, well IMO he doesn't deserve the fans backing him, and I will never back him.

Yes we're stuck with him, and until he decides otherwise, there's not a lot we can do. However that doesn't mean we should just put up and shut up. This guy will kill the club
 
This is correct, and I for one do not trust/believe he is the man to steer us forward. On this thread there are a few posts saying we should just back him, well IMO he doesn't deserve the fans backing him, and I will never back him.

Yes we're stuck with him, and until he decides otherwise, there's not a lot we can do. However that doesn't mean we should just put up and shut up. This guy will kill the club

What is the alternative? In all seriousness, until 'the consortium' come forward with a more aggressive and coherent plan, our best lot is to not cause waves now.

Every day Paul Sturrock stays and works on bringing players in is a positive as he must know the embargo is going to be lifted soon. We didnt go bust last Thursday as many were fearing, we are told the Charterhouse payment is 'sorted' for this week and we have the news that Sainsburys are basically going to bankroll us going forward.

Like him or loathe him, Ron is sorting things out in his own way and yes, its painful to the employees of SUFC and from the outside looking in (i.e. us fans), its frustrating and makes us angry - but truth is, very (VERY!) few of us actually have any real insight to what is happening day-to-day.

Any mass protest now is going to achieve nothing - I'm sure Ron knows how most fans feel and as others have said, with potentially £m's waiting at the end of this project, he probably doesnt care a great deal what you think. He just wants to see it through to the end and in his own way, thinks he is doing us a massive favour too. If he pulls it off, then he obviously has.

Sometimes, its better the devil you know...
 
This is correct, and I for one do not trust/believe he is the man to steer us forward. On this thread there are a few posts saying we should just back him, well IMO he doesn't deserve the fans backing him, and I will never back him.

Yes we're stuck with him, and until he decides otherwise, there's not a lot we can do. However that doesn't mean we should just put up and shut up. This guy will kill the club

. And If Ron has managed to get Sainsbury's to back him to the extent that it appears, then the best way forward is to get the Stadium and the supermarket sorted, and then worry about the future of Ron Martin.

Can I refer you to the second part of my quote - it's not about not wanting rid of Ron - simply the timing of things.
 
What is the alternative? In all seriousness, until 'the consortium' come forward with a more aggressive and coherent plan, our best lot is to not cause waves now.

Unfortunately, there is no alternative, unless RM decides there will be. He won't give up his control unless he is offered a 8-figure sum IMO.

Every day Paul Sturrock stays and works on bringing players in is a positive as he must know the embargo is going to be lifted soon.

He's probably knows as much as Ron allows him to know. If Ron tells him "x,y,z", the PS hasn't got reason to not believe him. The more relevent question should be; will PS stay here if/when RM's promises start falling apart? Why do you really think he hasn't put pen to paper yet?

We didnt go bust last Thursday as many were fearing, we are told the Charterhouse payment is 'sorted' for this week and we have the news that Sainsburys are basically going to bankroll us going forward.

True we didn't go bust, but we've only got a reprieve. We're not safe yet. The Charterhouse stuff - Where is this info that it's been paid, i.e. club statement etc, as i must have missed it? Again, where is the news Sainsburys are bankrolling us? And why would a supermarket want to bankroll us? Infact, RM even stated in one of his crappy videos that Sainsburys had no intention of getting involved in the financial running of a football club.
No, IMO, Sainsbury's are not bankrolling the club, but letting RM chip away at the overall sale total. Sainsbury's agree to purchase Roots Hall for £20m. Ron, I would assume is taking chunks of that money to service the debts. The worrying thing about that, I would have thought that a large amount of that would have been earmarked for actually building the stadium. So if that was the case, somewhere along the line, we're going to come up a few million short.

Like him or loathe him, Ron is sorting things out in his own way and yes, its painful to the employees of SUFC and from the outside looking in (i.e. us fans), its frustrating and makes us angry - but truth is, very (VERY!) few of us actually have any real insight to what is happening day-to-day.

Any mass protest now is going to achieve nothing - I'm sure Ron knows how most fans feel and as others have said, with potentially £m's waiting at the end of this project, he probably doesnt care a great deal what you think. He just wants to see it through to the end and in his own way, thinks he is doing us a massive favour too. If he pulls it off, then he obviously has.

Sometimes, its better the devil you know...

Ron goes on holiday whilst we're in the mire. Is that what you class as sorting it out in his own way? We have court cases, an embargo, 7 contracted players, a management team who are yet to put pen to paper, unpaid staff. Sorry for not having faith with the guy, but it just screams "bad management"
 
Ok fair point. So how do we work out when is the right time? After the club is liquidized?

The club isn't going to be liquidised. We haven't even joined the 50-odd clubs which have gone into administration in the past decade. Read the Trust newsletter, take on board all the work Paul Fitz and the board have done in the last couple of weeks to find out just what situation we are in, and notice that they, having had several discussions with Sainsbury's property department (Not spin from Ron!) now see light at the end of the tunnel.
 
He's under contract and on the transfer list, are we expecting a nominal fee then?

Wish him all the best, think he was a good league one keeper and too good for league two personally, never pulled off sublime saves but felt comfortable with him that whenever a shot went on target he would probably make the save, and when a cross whipped in he would probably deal with it.
 
The club isn't going to be liquidised. We haven't even joined the 50-odd clubs which have gone into administration in the past decade. Read the Trust newsletter, take on board all the work Paul Fitz and the board have done in the last couple of weeks to find out just what situation we are in, and notice that they, having had several discussions with Sainsbury's property department (Not spin from Ron!) now see light at the end of the tunnel.

But surely though, if the news eminating from the Trust this month could be seen to be taken as "the light at the end of the tunnel", why then for this month only, have they not made their minutes available to all instead of the usual restricted to members only?
 
But surely though, if the news eminating from the Trust this month could be seen to be taken as "the light at the end of the tunnel", why then for this month only, have they not made their minutes available to all instead of the usual restricted to members only?

It's not in the minutes, which are the usual stuff, but in the Trust newsletter - in the Introduction by Paul FitzGerald. Perhaps they should publish that section on Shrimperzone, etc, but I don't think it is particularly their remit to lobby for Ron, any more than it was their remit to lobby against him.
 
The club isn't going to be liquidised. We haven't even joined the 50-odd clubs which have gone into administration in the past decade. Read the Trust newsletter, take on board all the work Paul Fitz and the board have done in the last couple of weeks to find out just what situation we are in, and notice that they, having had several discussions with Sainsbury's property department (Not spin from Ron!) now see light at the end of the tunnel.

But TBH, Sainsbury's can only tell them so much, as they probably don't know too much themselves. Afterall, same as with Sturrock, Sainsbury's will only know what Ron has told them. How would they know any different. They won't be privvy to SUFC's finances. No, they'll have been told "we'll be ready in such and such, this will be happening on this date, then this will fall into place" etc etc. So for all we know, they're just repeating what Ron has told them. Does that make me it any more truer? No.

IMO it's just one big web of lies and spiel, all origionating from one source. In my opinion, everyone involved, Sturrock, The Courts, Sainsbury's, have all been told x,y,z, in an attempt to calm those nervous waters, and make things seem rosier than what they are and that there is still an element of control over the club*. Whether those things materialise is a different matter. Afterall we've heard it and seen it before 1st hand; this will happen, don't worry about that we'll take care of that, it's a minor problem etc etc and as far as I can see, we're still up **** street.

*If it works out all ok, then great. However, employing this tactic is taking a massive gamble with OUR football club,
 
It's not OUR football club though is it, it's Ron's remember (from Our Glorious Leader's own lips!!!)...

I've learnt to not believe anybody because about 158% of the time what people say he said, and she said, about this football club, is usually just blah blah blah.
 
But TBH, Sainsbury's can only tell them so much, as they probably don't know too much themselves. Afterall, same as with Sturrock, Sainsbury's will only know what Ron has told them. How would they know any different. They won't be privvy to SUFC's finances. No, they'll have been told "we'll be ready in such and such, this will be happening on this date, then this will fall into place" etc etc. So for all we know, they're just repeating what Ron has told them. Does that make me it any more truer? No.

IMO it's just one big web of lies and spiel, all origionating from one source. In my opinion, everyone involved, Sturrock, The Courts, Sainsbury's, have all been told x,y,z, in an attempt to calm those nervous waters, and make things seem rosier than what they are and that there is still an element of control over the club*. Whether those things materialise is a different matter. Afterall we've heard it and seen it before 1st hand; this will happen, don't worry about that we'll take care of that, it's a minor problem etc etc and as far as I can see, we're still up **** street.

*If it works out all ok, then great. However, employing this tactic is taking a massive gamble with OUR football club,
You think Sainsbury's have invested all this money and continue to without knowing about the cash flow and other information at the club? Even if they were win win if SUFC go bust or if SUFC get into a new ground, they would still investigate the finances to see where they stand.
 
You think Sainsbury's have invested all this money and continue to without knowing about the cash flow and other information at the club? Even if they were win win if SUFC go bust or if SUFC get into a new ground, they would still investigate the finances to see where they stand.

Why? We aren't giving them any money, so what does it matter what our finances are like? They're not a bank, and they haven't loaned us the money.
 

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