Maher going nowhere says unhappy Ron

[Bar na bas]

Ahhhhhhhhh Good to see Matt back to his one-line responses......:hilarious:

I think mine was longer than Matt's, but he is rather a long way ahead of me in the Posts count!!!!

(See, I can do short as well)

:)

Barnabas

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

Hi Supershrimper,

I don't want to appear overly dismissive, but what you've said above is almost certainly absolute twaddle.

No paper will knowingly run a completely unattributed story. A paper is not intended to be a work of fiction - it is intended to either report news (i.e. a story which has not yet broken, or which is on the point of breaking) or to provide comment. Incidentally, in an increasingly digital age, papers will have to focus more on the latter than the former - the main sources of which will be the internet, radio and 24-hour News Channels.

The accuracy of the story will then always depend on the reliability of the source. Some papers - notably those backed with the financial and legal muscle of Mr. Murdoch - will run a story based on one not-so-strong source, and then (if need be) face the consequences in terms of pay-outs or retractions if the source proves to be dodgy.

On the rare occasions on which other nationals run stories on unreliable sources, there's normally a major fall-out - look at Piers Morgan being forced to resign from the helm of the Mirror following the fake abuse pictures being splashed in their paper.

At the other end of the spectrum is Auntie Beeb, who generally won't run a story (post Gilligan-gate) without two independent and verifiable sources.

I suspect that the Echo and Chris Phillips - if they're part of one of the big regional stables (Trinity Mirror, Emap, Associated), will fall in the middle category - in other words, editorial rules will dictate that the bigger the story, the stronger the source needs to be.

In the print copy, I think this Maher story was the back-page splash (although someone might be able to confirm this). That being so, I would be gobsmacked to learn that Chris had run the piece without having one really good source - in all likelihood, Maher's agent.

Don't forget, in any discussion concerning Maher, SUFC and his agent are effectively on "opposite sides" - and so they will invariably have very different opinions on one set of facts.

Final thought for the day: certain philosophers (notably Descartes, George Berkeley) have put up as a topic of debate the notion that there are very few entirely objective facts. For instance, we say that the sky is blue - but why? How do we know that that is blue? How do we know it's the sky?

That may seem like an absurd starting point - but if you break something down, you can very quickly see how a discussion over the weekend as to Maher's future at SUFC provides two very different views of what was discussed, and what the implications of that discussion were. Neither can be said to be objectively true or untrue - instead, they are simply two different subjective versions of the same set of discussions, both of which have an element of truth in them.

After all, if everything was always objectively true and could always be definitively proved as being so, then no one would go to court and I would be out of a job.

:rolleyes:

Matt

Can not disagree with that paragraph at all

 

[Jam_Man]

The thing is that they hear minor stories and they change it to make it a major thing to get people to read their papers. This is what has happened here, The echo has read that maher is out of favour at the moment, and decided to make up a story about him going out on loan until the end of the season just to make people read their papers. Maher is not out on loan and he won't do for the rest of the season.

Your comment is based on less information than they based their story on.

The irony :)

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Ahhhhhhhhh Good to see Matt back to his one-line responses......:hilarious:

Sorry mate!

:o

The long and the short of it is:

* Chris's story may well reflect the subjective view of Maher or his agent as to recent discussions with the club - with the effect that, so far as they're concerned, he will be off to Gillingham very soon.

* The Club's statement may well reflect the subjective view of the club as to recent discussions they've had with Maher - with the effect that, nothing conclusive has yet been agreed / reached / decided with Maher, and that the result of those discussions is that since the club hold Maher's registration, he remains a player of SUFC.

The objective truth, if we can discern it from the discussions to date, is that while Maher remains employed by the club, there is clearly a significant rift between him and the manager / chairman, and he has already started to put concrete plans in place to move elsewhere - which the club are weighing up on the basis of cost benefit to the club vs. risk to the club of his departure (i.e. which of the clubs in the bottom half has still got to play most of our playoff rivals, and where Maher can be of most benefit to us by moving elsewhere).

At least, that's IMHO.

:p

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

Sorry mate!

:o

The long and the short of it is:

* Chris's story may well reflect the subjective view of Maher or his agent as to recent discussions with the club - with the effect that, so far as they're concerned, he will be off to Gillingham very soon.

* The Club's statement may well reflect the subjective view of the club as to recent discussions they've had with Maher - with the effect that, nothing conclusive has yet been agreed / reached / decided with Maher, and that the result of those discussions is that since the club hold Maher's registration, he remains a player of SUFC.

The objective truth, if we can discern it from the discussions to date, is that while Maher remains employed by the club, there is clearly a significant rift between him and the manager / chairman, and he has already started to put concrete plans in place to move elsewhere - which the club are weighing up on the basis of cost benefit to the club vs. risk to the club of his departure (i.e. which of the clubs in the bottom half has still got to play most of our playoff rivals, and where Maher can be of most benefit to us by moving elsewhere).

At least, that's IMHO.

:p

Careful you don’t get neg rep for seeming to be like a dog with a bone mate!!

I would comment but i seem to get slated for having an opinion so i will not bother.

Its so great to be on a forum that allows you to exercise your right to debate with out some of its establishment making snide comments about it

 

[TrueBlue]

So in conclusion

Echo spouts crap

Thank you and Goodnight

Much Love!

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

So in conclusion

Echo spouts crap

Thank you and Goodnight

Much Love!

Prety much Scott

:hilarious: :hilarious: :hilarious:

 

[Einstein]

Careful you don’t get neg rep for seeming to be like a dog with a bone mate!!

I would comment but i seem to get slated for having an opinion so i will not bother.

Its so great to be on a forum that allows you to exercise your right to debate with out some of its establishment making snide comments about it

That's complete and utter cr*p. You've clearly got an issue with anyone who doesn't agree with your views.

You are like a dog with a bone, because if someone doesn't agree with you, then you just keep coming back and back, over and over, again with the same point. That's my view, and one which I know I'm not alone in. It's nothing to do with freedom of speech etc which you've attempted to claim. You could only claim that if your posts were edited/deleted, which they have not been.

As for making 'snide comments' I think "Careful you don’t get neg rep for seeming to be like a dog with a bone mate!!" is as snidey as it gets! Drawing attention to every neg rep received, which probably only you will see is hardly snidey, and actually something I'd expect the youths to do, which thereby craves attention.

That's the last I'm saying on this matter, as to be quite frank, I've got better things to do with my time.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

That's complete and utter cr*p. You've clearly got an issue with anyone who doesn't agree with your views.

You are like a dog with a bone, because if someone doesn't agree with you, then you just keep coming back and back, over and over, again with the same point. That's my view, and one which I know I'm not alone in. It's nothing to do with freedom of speech etc which you've attempted to claim. You could only claim that if your posts were edited/deleted, which they have not been.

As for making 'snide comments' I think "Careful you don’t get neg rep for seeming to be like a dog with a bone mate!!" is as snidey as it gets! Drawing attention to every neg rep received, which probably only you will see is hardly snidey, and actually something I'd expect the youths to do, which thereby craves attention.

That's the last I'm saying on this matter, as to be quite frank, I've got better things to do with my time.

You are missing the point AGAIN......if i feel that i don’t agree with someone then i will say so, the same as you have about my posts and countless others other posters.....One law for one and one for another is it???

Now who is like a dog with a bone?????

Pot Kettle and Black I think.

And you know the "that is a view that i am not alone in"......... me and my mates comment is laughable...... trust me when i say...your ears should be burning today as well!!!!

You could only claim that if your posts were edited/deleted, which they have not been.....They have not been because content wise there would be no reason to.....just that you don’t like what i say....well tuff i am afraid. If you don’t like what i say than simply don’t reply to my posts and go do what ever it is you do

 

[united1]

going, going, go...

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/sport/default.asp?article_id=38988

 

[South Bank Hank]

You could only claim that if posts were edited/deleted, which they have not been.....

They have not been because content wise there would be no reason to.....

Actually AS, there has and we have received a complaint from the community. One of the mods has already sent a PM to you about it.

Careful you don’t get neg rep for seeming to be like a dog with a bone mate!!

I would comment but i seem to get slated for having an opinion so i will not bother.

Its so great to be on a forum that allows you to exercise your right to debate with out some of its establishment making snide comments about it

AS, from what I can tell, one of my fellow owners of this site neg-repped you for some comments you made on this forum about someone else. It is just as much his right as anyone else on this board, and it was hardly anything to do with 'debate'. Light hearted as it was, you've sought to make a public issue of it. For someone who is so keen to express that he doesn't care what other people think, you are doing a fine job of demonstrating otherwise.

The bottom line as I see it is this: you're clearly a very decent chap, and a well-liked member of this forum, but you do seem to take any differences of opinion as personal attacks on you. This isn't the first difference of opinion which has escalated.

Please chill out sir.

If the negative rep in question has offended you, I'll see if there's some way that it can be removed. Now let's draw a line and move on.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

Actually AS, there has and we have received a complaint from the community. One of the mods has already sent a PM to you about it.



AS, from what I can tell, one of my fellow owners of this site neg-repped you for some comments you made on this forum about someone else. It is just as much his right as anyone else on this board, and it was hardly anything to do with 'debate'. Light hearted as it was, you've sought to make a public issue of it. For someone who is so keen to express that he doesn't care what other people think, you are doing a fine job of demonstrating otherwise.

The bottom line as I see it is this: you're clearly a very decent chap, and a well-liked member of this forum, but you do seem to take any differences of opinion as personal attacks on you. This isn't the first difference of opinion which has escalated.

Please chill out sir.

If the negative rep in question has offended you, I'll see if there's some way that it can be removed. Now let's draw a line and move on.

Firstly thank you putting the above across in a more professional way.

Regards the complaint, I did actually PM the fella in question yesterday to apologise for the Scottish comments but feel in the interest of fairness that i am not singled out for making those comments.

Lastly....I can be a hot head who does like to have the last word, i apologise if that winds people up but i am an argumentative little bugger at times and that is just the way i am, like it or lump it.

I just sometimes feel that there is a bit of an "Old Boys club" going on in this forum. Sometimes certain people can get away with murder because they are pals with the mods an people like me who unfortunately only know pretty much all of you through this forum tend to get the blunt end when we get a bit heated. I would not expect anyone to agree with these comments for obvious reason.

I will try not to bite and be so much like a "Dog with a bone" as was so eloquently put by Einstein, but i will not stop debating and getting my opinion across...In the right way of course

Cheers for the Feedback SBH

 

[South Bank Hank]

Good post AS. I think we need to get you along to the next SZ Beer Club.
Should only cost you about £1,350 in cab fare!

:p

 

[Irish_Shrimper]

Good post AS. I think we need to get you along to the next SZ Beer Club.
Should only cost you about £1,350 in cab fare!

:p

I'll go halves on the cab fare AS if you pick me up too along the way - good lad ;) :p

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

I'll go halves on the cab fare AS if you pick me up too along the way - good lad ;) :p

If we get Rich and another, it might work out not to bad!!!!!

 

[MK Shrimper]

Get a backie on his bike ride. Sorted!

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

Get a backie on his bike ride. Sorted!

Only as long as he has a chopper......more room that way

 

[MK Shrimper]

Only as long as he has a chopper......more room that way

I've been told his chopper is out of action as it's got a flattie. :D

 

[Uncle Leo]

I can't be reading 23 pages of this. So has Maher signed for Real Madrid or not?

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

I can't be reading 23 pages of this. So has Maher signed for Real Madrid or not?

Now you are just being silly................Barcalona!!