Liverpool Street Line

[Interpol Shrimper]

Here's an interesting theory to put in the mix.
Why can't the government encourage freight to be transported via the railways? Then the extra funds from this could be ploughed back into the rail infrastructure.

Surely in the days of wacky environmental policies this would be better than some of the dubious stealth taxes that are being introduced (e.g. the £500 Chelsea Tractor tax & the exhorbitant green taxes on flying)? Having driven down to Essex & back over the past week and seeing the sheer volume of HGV's heading to Felixstowe/Harwich something severely needs to be done (at least Northamptonshire County Council have now put a restriction in place on the A14 not letting HGV's use the 2nd overtaking lane between 6am & 6pm)

 

[osymandus]

I do know this but now I have a modern line that runs on time most of the time. something i did not have under BR. I believe in looking at real facts then projected maybes. ;)

Surely you have some work to do to help keep the prices down and ensure we have a cost effective railway. :p

Ah social responisibilty over individual responsibilty. I.e. im alright and as far as i can so so who cares about the rest :P

Re teh privatisation and its methodly badly implemented. NO , the premiss of the services then becomes a profit making industry , to benifit its owners and shareholders (bubbly for teh shareholders meetings anyone).

Re the prior nationalised industry. Well they only ever really exisited in teh communist or soclaist states. Over here they were private land owners (at the whim of one person /family ), the workers were locked in due to economic and social reasons (everything to class system to lack of opportunity to literal survivial). People forget they can up and walk away , they want the nice things (PS3 , LCD telly, cars a better form of food), dont need them. The facts are your bound to where you work by the limits of your knowledeg thats it.

 

[The Flying Scotsman]

To be honest I don't give a monkeys who owns what or is responsible for which bits. All I want is a reliable service on a cleanish train where I can get a seat. At the moment c2c delivers this more often than not, and as long as it stays cheaper then the Liverpool St line I don't feel ripped off.

As for the trains being too expensive, I try and put it into perspective. I live in a nice enough 3 bed semi in a decent enough area close to the sea with plenty of open spaces and amenities etc around me. The job I do can only really be done in London so I have to work here. How much extra would it cost me to keep up the same living conditions to live in London - A damn sight more than the £2.5k I pay to travel. As for the journey time thing - well I read the paper on the journey in and wind down on the way back so I don't view it as wasted time.

 

[MK Shrimper]

? Freight is. It's given higher priority than passenger traffic.

Trouble is, it can get to major places, then it needs to get to Tesco's in little towns and villages across the country that are nowhere near Railway lines due to a certain Mr Beecher.

 

[Bob Cratchitt]

Ah social responisibilty over individual responsibilty. I.e. im alright and as far as i can so so who cares about the rest :P

Not true I care about all users of the Fenchurch Street line.

 

[Bob Cratchitt]

? Freight is. It's given higher priority than passenger traffic.

Trouble is, it can get to major places, then it needs to get to Tesco's in little towns and villages across the country that are nowhere near Railway lines due to a certain Mr Beecher.

Actually I think you will find it was Dr Beeching, and that was going to be my point to GS that unfortunately the railways do not run everywhere unlike roads. Strangely green issues were not at the forefront in the early 60's

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Actually I think you will find it was Dr Beeching, and that was going to be my point to GS that unfortunately the railways do not run everywhere unlike roads. Strangely green issues were not at the forefront in the early 60's

Yeah but a lot of companies now use huge distribution bases (usually close to Motorways), look at Tesco's & Ikea for examples to back this up. If they had been enocuraged to build these in the vicinity of rail junctions this could have easily been achievable in getting a lot of their haulage off the road & back onto the rail.

I understand that a lot of freight is transported to it's actual point of use but there's also a lot of traffic which has to deliver to these "logistics hubs"

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

To be honest I don't give a monkeys who owns what or is responsible for which bits. All I want is a reliable service on a cleanish train where I can get a seat. At the moment c2c delivers this more often than not, and as long as it stays cheaper then the Liverpool St line I don't feel ripped off.

As for the trains being too expensive, I try and put it into perspective. I live in a nice enough 3 bed semi in a decent enough area close to the sea with plenty of open spaces and amenities etc around me. The job I do can only really be done in London so I have to work here. How much extra would it cost me to keep up the same living conditions to live in London - A damn sight more than the £2.5k I pay to travel. As for the journey time thing - well I read the paper on the journey in and wind down on the way back so I don't view it as wasted time.

I kind of agree with this post......a lot of the people that live in areas like Southend, Rochford, Rayleigh and so on, travel to London for work out of necessity. I am sure that if all the guys on here that work in London were then told...."we can move the location of your job to 5 miles down the road from your house"...they would jump at the chance.

 

[osymandus]

Not true I care about all users of the Fenchurch Street line.

Pish , its just you :liar: , your G&T and the driver in front , you mercanery you grrr :D he he

Anyway re Aberdeen Shrimper. Oh heavens yes , theres been plans afoot for years (espically with the advent of home working (people having DSL lines now)) to move out from large cities . However what happens to the cities when buiness move out (and not just financial areas here , ;) ) . Redistiribution of wealth anyone :D plus say London losses alot of prestige

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

Pish , its just you :liar: , your G&T and the driver in front , you mercanery you grrr :D he he

Anyway re Aberdeen Shrimper. Oh heavens yes , theres been plans afoot for years (espically with the advent of home working (people having DSL lines now)) to move out from large cities . However what happens to the cities when buiness move out (and not just financial areas here , ;) ) . Redistiribution of wealth anyone :D plus say London losses alot of prestige

Well.....I guess that London would come more in line with towns that are 20, 30, 40 miles away regards affordability...that would be a good thing right??

I don’t think that it is prestigious to have a capital that is almost impossible to live in if you want any degree of comfort unless you are earning a small fortune.

 

[Bob Cratchitt]

I understand that a lot of freight is transported to it's actual point of use but there's also a lot of traffic which has to deliver to these "logistics hubs"

Then you would need to ensure that the manufacturing and warehousing of all goods were also near railways. I am guessing that these vast Distribution centres have sprung up on land at prices which would not be able to be offered alongside railways. After all being near a railway can increase the price of your house. ;)

 

[osymandus]

Then you would need to ensure that the manufacturing and warehousing of all goods were also near railways. I am guessing that these vast Distribution centres have sprung up on land at prices which would not be able to be offered alongside railways. After all being near a railway can increase the price of your house. ;)

Or stored in depots say like Illford ?

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

After all being near a railway can increase the price of your house. ;)

If only this had applied whilst trying to flog my house in 2006/7 :doh: