Liverpool Street Line

[Mad Cyril]

I made it into work on time, but then my commute is a little bit shorter than most.

1, Fall out of bed
2, Find dressing gown
3, Trudge sleepily to study

It's shame really, I'd quite like to read the paper on the way in, but I'd probably fall down the stairs.

I like the sound of this.

What is the bonus scheme, healthcare plan and pension scheme like?

 

[TrueBlue]

Well the lazy wa**kers should have done it in the 70's and 80's then and not spent their life on strike!



It's quite simple, you do it during the night like you used to or at weekends like you are supposed to but you keep to deadlines. When you say you'll finish by 5am you make sure the line is ready by 4am for trains and not 9am.



Why not, its not stopped you before!

you are a total clueless ****er you fat chipmunk ****! get a job on the railway and find out what effort actually goes in and you will see the uphill battle rail staff and workers have to go through!!!

 

[Firestorm]

As an aside the Fenchurch st line was doing enngineering works Mon -Thursday last week , all trains after 10.30 at night weree going round the loop, You had to use the tube from Barking to Upminster then Bus to Horndon and laindon . This had been at all the stations on a big board all week, yet on the late one thursday the amount of people in my carriage alone who got it wrong, They wanted laindon and stayed on the train (despite announcements on the train !!) or they wanted Grays and got on at first stop pitsea train at Barking !! Jeezus it was pathetic........

 

[Bob Cratchitt]

yet on the late one thursday the amount of people in my carriage alone who got it wrong, They wanted laindon and stayed on the train (despite announcements on the train !!) or they wanted Grays and got on at first stop pitsea train at Barking !! Jeezus it was pathetic........

You see what the wonders of modern science have done to our society, in the days of survival of the fittest all these weak genes would have been eradicated a long time ago.

 

[Mad Cyril]

you are a total clueless ****er you fat chipmunk ****! get a job on the railway and find out what effort actually goes in and you will see the uphill battle rail staff and workers have to go through!!!

Whenever I have been on a train travelling past engineering works all of the 'workers' are standing by the side of the track watching the train go by whilst doing absolutely f**k all.

 

[DTS]

Makes me laugh: The railways are f**ked, a lot running on equipment that was installed it the 1960's. OHL/Track gets worn and needs replacing or it'll fall down (in the case of OHL) or the tracks will become dangerous (ala Potters Bar).

When should we do major engineering work then: During a normal working week or when people are on holiday?

Or should we not bother and let everything collapse, let people die and let the whole network go to hell?

Why do you close down half the ****ing line though..

You can only be working one small stretch at the time yet you shut down half the track. Why not just shut the little stretch your working on.

Also you charge the same ****ing price for a third of the service. How is that fair?

 

[Firestorm]

Why do you close down half the ****ing line though..

You can only be working one small stretch at the time yet you shut down half the track. Why not just shut the little stretch your working on.

Also you charge the same ****ing price for a third of the service. How is that fair?

Don't confuse the Rail Network with the Train operators, Dave. Its the operators who Charge the fares (hence the Liverpool St Line being more expensive than the Fenny Line)

 

[DTS]

Don't confuse the Rail Network with the Train operators, Dave. Its the operators who Charge the fares (hence the Liverpool St Line being more expensive than the Fenny Line)

Fair point Gary,

But ultimatly some ******* still thinks its fair to charge the same price for me to take an hour to get to London as they charge when its takes me 2 hours 45 and a whole lot more effort.

I ****ing hate them all :puke

 

[Firestorm]

Fair point Gary,

But ultimatly some ******* still thinks its fair to charge the same price for me to take an hour to get to London as they charge when its takes me 2 hours 45 and a whole lot more effort.

I ****ing hate them all :puke

True, it beats me that they call a bus replacement providing a service. To me its all down to having to avoid giving a refund to season ticket holders,

Fenchurch st line has had engineering works a lot at weekends and my daughter is currently working most saturdays up here, So I suppose some sevice is better than none and a refund.....

 

[MK Shrimper]

It's quite simple, you do it during the night like you used to or at weekends like you are supposed to but you keep to deadlines. When you say you'll finish by 5am you make sure the line is ready by 4am for trains and not 9am.

So if critical work runs late what do you suggest we do? Equipment fails, contracted staff let us down and we've got the TOC's breathing down our necks should our work run one minute late?

Easy for you to spout off while you're laying in a warm bed, but some of us are out in the freezing cold trying to maintain equipment that's on it's last legs!

 

[MK Shrimper]

Why do you close down half the ****ing line though..

You can only be working one small stretch at the time yet you shut down half the track. Why not just shut the little stretch your working on.

Also you charge the same ****ing price for a third of the service. How is that fair?

It's not like a road where you can just cone off one lane! You can only cross lines at certain junctions, so therefore you have to close off a substantial bit of track for just 1/2 mile of work. There are also rules and regulations about working next to open lines.

And as Gary has said, NWR don't set train prices - and that's the main failing with our railway.

 

[ldnfatso]

you are a total clueless ****er you fat chipmunk ****! get a job on the railway and find out what effort actually goes in and you will see the uphill battle rail staff and workers have to go through!!!

Wtf are you on about? What uphill battle??
As a commuter that pays over £3000 per year to travel to work i expect to have a train service during the morning and evening peak rush hour. That is not unreasonable. It's currently the Commuter who has the uphill battle to get to work. TB, when you know what thats like then you can mouth off!

There is plenty of non peak times ie: night and weekends to work with and overrunning is simply not acceptable. Either the workmen are incompetent because they cannot finnish in a timely manner or the management are incompetent for trying to finish too much too quickly. Either way it's the commuter who pays!

 

[MK Shrimper]

Wtf are you on about? What uphill battle??
As a commuter that pays over £3000 per year to travel to work i expect to have a train service during the morning and evening peak rush hour. That is not unreasonable. It's currently the Commuter who has the uphill battle to get to work. TB, when you know what thats like then you can mouth off!

There is plenty of non peak times ie: night and weekends to work with and overrunning is simply not acceptable. Either the workmen are incompetent because they cannot finnish in a timely manner or the management are incompetent for trying to finish too much too quickly. Either way it's the commuter who pays!

Workers - any skilled workers generally jump ship because NWR maintenance is pony and run by money men who take a short term view.

Management - I agree...senior managers are flucking idiots - Coucher etc, total political pr1cks.

The railway has suffered due to lack of investment and privitisation - all that did was made rich people even richer while screwing workers and commuters alike.

 

[ldnfatso]

So if critical work runs late what do you suggest we do? Equipment fails, contracted staff let us down and we've got the TOC's breathing down our necks should our work run one minute late?

But it was not one minute this morning or indeed over new year was it??

Easy for you to spout off while you're laying in a warm bed, but some of us are out in the freezing cold trying to maintain equipment that's on it's last legs!

Warm bed? I'm not an ASLEF/RMT member u know! I was trying to get to bloody work pal!

 

[Bob Cratchitt]

The railway has suffered due to lack of investment and privitisation - all that did was made rich people even richer while screwing workers and commuters alike.

Actually i would have to beg to differ on this, as c2c has prospered since privatisation, when it was part of BR it was left to stagnate as it was only a fecking branch line in the eyes of BR, once privatised we began to see investment, new signalling equipment, stations being revamp not just given the obligatory coat of paint, and finally new trains to replace the stock that was handed down from various other lines. So this does not wash with me, as under nationalised railways the Fenchurch line suffered although a line that brought a lot of money into the purse from Commuters.

 

[ldnfatso]

Quite right !

 

[MK Shrimper]

Actually i would have to beg to differ on this, as c2c has prospered since privatisation, when it was part of BR it was left to stagnate as it was only a fecking branch line in the eyes of BR, once privatised we began to see investment, new signalling equipment, stations being revamp not just given the obligatory coat of paint, and finally new trains to replace the stock that was handed down from various other lines. So this does not wash with me, as under nationalised railways the Fenchurch line suffered although a line that brought a lot of money into the purse from Commuters.

What you don't see is that it's powered by equipment that was built in the 1950's. Kit that is so old it's held together by masking tape (and I'm not making this up). Flash new trains were bought by the TOC much like Virgin's Pendolinos. Should this 1950's kit pack up - well, the LTS won't run for months, let alone days, as the manufacturer went belly up in the 1970's and there are no spares. Anywhere. On The Planet.

On the whole: an asset that the public already owned was sliced up and sold off to make Tory MP's and their road building cronies richer. Privatisation was an utter disgrace and billions upon billions of pounds were wasted in the entire debacle, something you are all still paying for.

 

[* ORM *]

On the Plus side I was much cheered by a recorded announcement at Liv St tonight confirming that smoking IS permitted on all National Express trains and stations.

I don't buy the argument that it is Network Rail's fault. My contract is with NE and with parking they take around £4.5k of my hard earned cash. I've had more delays due to engineering works since August than I've had in the previous 23 years of commuting.

Trying to "upgrade" too much in one go would be my guess. To run to the wire with no decent contingency in place is disgraceful. That is nothing to do with Network Rail.

 

[BrettieAngell]

During the night? People who live near railway lines moan about the noise. Over here we get roughly 3hrs to do critical work due to safety implications and the TOC's wanting to run trains as late and as early as possible. If they had their way it'd be 24hrs.

You can't do major works at night such as OHL replacement which can take days.

They've done engineering works over night on the c2c line before, right outside my house in fact and yes it is bloody noisy!

 

[Bob Cratchitt]

What you don't see is that it's powered by equipment that was built in the 1950's. Kit that is so old it's held together by masking tape (and I'm not making this up).

So out of all the possible points that could have been neglected due to the mass non investment you can only mention the one thing that has not been upgraded, yes I agree power is main thing but as it does not have many moving parts I guess it is less likely to fail, then either the rolling stock or the signalling.

Anyway my point was to show that there has not been widespread non investment in the infrastructure since privatisation. So the question should be asked if the company went belly up in the 70's then BR had nearly 20 years to get it replaced but you are holding the privatised companies for the neglect.