Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[londonblue]

If you think Kl's an "idiot" (which's he's not btw)...

Yes he us, BTW.

...then what on earth do you think of Boris?

Boris is an idiot too, but at least he's entertaining.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Interesting, when KL lost as Mayor for the second time in 2012, it was widely suggested in the Tory press that Ed Miliband would be replaced as leader.He wasn't because Labour did exceptionally well in the rest of the country.

And he absolutely nailed the general election a few years later didn't he.

 

[londonblue]

If you think Kl's an "idiot" (which's he's not btw) then what on earth do you think of Boris?

Interesting, when KL lost as Mayor for the second time in 2012, it was widely suggested in the Tory press that Ed Miliband would be replaced as leader.He wasn't because Labour did exceptionally well in the rest of the country.

Which proves my point further: that London isn't a barometer for the rest of the country, and any win by Khan (should it happen) can't be extrapolated as success for Corduroy.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

It's beyond me why anyone thinks the London Mayoral election is a barometer for the rest of the country. It simply isn't. After all, London is usually predominantly Labour, and yet it has voted in a tory mayor in the last 2 elections. Even under Thatcher we had that idiot Ken Livingstone as leader of the GLC.

Any part of the country is a barometer for the rest of the country if you look at vote increases and reductions. If London - which has been Tory for two terms elects a Muslim to be Mayor while representing the Labour Party which has Corbyn as leader - then that is an indicator that Labour are not as unelectable as some would have us believe. Certainly means more than polls of a thousand people. Also if a Labour run London Assembly is seen to be successful then that will be noticed by the rest of the country.


I understand that you may want things to get worse in order to get better for the party - but maybe they will get better without getting worse.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

The reason that there are not that many Corbyn supporters actually in the PLP, is quite simply that in 13 years under Blair/Brown, the leader controlled the A list of parliamentary candidates to make sure that no genuine left-wingers were selected in winnable seats.

This changed under Miliband, who relaxed the controls after 2010.Hence there was an increase in the number of Labour left-wingers in the Commons,for the first time in a generation,after last year's GE.

It will be interesting to see what happens in this respect over the next 4 years.

I went to canvas for Khan on Sunday in Sutton - where Labour come third in elections and yet there were about 40 of us out. The group of 8 that I went out with were 50% new members that had specifically joined the party because of Corbyn. One a 16 year old lad full of enthusiasm to knock on doors and sell the party, a father in his 40's and son at Uni who were the nicest people you could meet, and a mild mannered man in a suit (on the weekend) who looked as much like a Tory as anyone I have ever seen. Small poll but far removed from the Trots and Socialist Workers parachuted in that we are led to believe.


Little bit of insight if of interest.

 

[londonblue]

Any part of the country is a barometer for the rest of the country if you look at vote increases and reductions. If London - which has been Tory for two terms elects a Muslim to be Mayor while representing the Labour Party which has Corbyn as leader - then that is an indicator that Labour are not as unelectable as some would have us believe. Certainly means more than polls of a thousand people. Also if a Labour run London Assembly is seen to be successful then that will be noticed by the rest of the country.


I understand that you may want things to get worse in order to get better for the party - but maybe they will get better without getting worse.

I totally disagree. I think London has its own politics and agenda that has been shown time and time again not to represent the rest of the country.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I totally disagree. I think London has its own politics and agenda that has been shown time and time again not to represent the rest of the country.

Then we can agree....to disagree. That makes life easy - no point scoring!

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

The reason that there are not that many Corbyn supporters actually in the PLP, is quite simply that in 13 years under Blair/Brown, the leader controlled the A list of parliamentary candidates to make sure that no genuine left-wingers were selected in winnable seats.

This changed under Miliband, who relaxed the controls after 2010.Hence there was an increase in the number of Labour left-wingers in the Commons,for the first time in a generation,after last year's GE.

It will be interesting to see what happens in this respect over the next 4 years.

Is it an increase in the number of left-wingers in the Commons or a reduction in the number Labour MPs under Miliband leaving them less diluted within what's left of the Parliamentary Labour Party?

I totally disagree. I think London has its own politics and agenda that has been shown time and time again not to represent the rest of the country.

This.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

And he absolutely nailed the general election a few years later didn't he.

He lost because he was only offering austerity lite and didn't have a credible alternative economic policy to the Tories, which Corybn does.

Which proves my point further: that London isn't a barometer for the rest of the country, and any win by Khan (should it happen) can't be extrapolated as success for Corduroy.

Actually, if the swing to Labour in London in last year's GE had been repeated across the country then Labour would have (narrowly) won.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Actually, if the swing to Labour in London in last year's GE had been repeated across the country then Labour would have (narrowly) won.

So you're actually agreeing with him.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

So you're actually agreeing with him.

I'm indirectly quoting Ken Livingston.

 

[londonblue]

I'm indirectly quoting the idiot Ken Livingston.

Edited for accuracy.

:winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Edited for accuracy.

:winking:

It's a pity that Blairites ( like you) don't recognise that you've lost the argument in the Labour party.

Also that you don't respect the best Mayor that London has ever had.

 

[Benfleet A1]

It's a pity that Blairites ( like you) don't recognise that you've lost the argument in the Labour party.

Also that you don't respect the best Mayor that London has ever had.

Passing judgement again I see. Funny how you think the best mayor London ever had was/is another closet racist.

Deny away.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Passing judgement again I see. Funny how you think the best mayor London ever had was/is another closet racist.

Deny away.

Rather than deny anything, I'd prefer you to show some proof[/B,] for what otherwise is an outrageous accusation.

ps I see than nice Suzanne Evans is causing a bit of a stir in UKIP.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35895010

 

[Benfleet A1]

Rather than deny anything, I'd prefer you to show some proof[/B,] for what otherwise is an outrageous accusation.

ps I see than nice Suzanne Evans is causing a bit of a stir in UKIP.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35895010

So calling a jewish reporter a nazi concentration camp guard isn't racist? Not in your world obviously.

Why try and deflect away from another of your filthy terrorist supporting chums with a nothing UKIP story, resigned my membership long ago, or have you selectively forgotten that as well.

Up the bombers.

 

[callan]

Any part of the country is a barometer for the rest of the country if you look at vote increases and reductions. If London - which has been Tory for two terms elects a Muslim to be Mayor while representing the Labour Party which has Corbyn as leader - then that is an indicator that Labour are not as unelectable as some would have us believe. Certainly means more than polls of a thousand people. Also if a Labour run London Assembly is seen to be successful then that will be noticed by the rest of the country.


I understand that you may want things to get worse in order to get better for the party - but maybe they will get better without getting worse.

Are Labour gaining ground in Scotland?

Surely that;s where they need to do better.?, or are they planning to win without the Scottish vote.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Are Labour gaining ground in Scotland?

Surely that;s where they need to do better.?, or are they planning to win without the Scottish vote.

Not that I am aware of. Only one party is doing well in Scotland to my knowledge and it's neither the government nor the main opposition in the UK.

I agree we are thinking along the same lines - Labour didn't lose the GE because of UKIP or middle England or whatever - they lost because of the SNP.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

See Corbyn has made a utter mess of the unbelievable own goal that was left on his plate. Arguably Cameron's worst week as PM and instead of having him squirming in his seat, Corbyn instead lets him rule the roost. End result, House of Commons in fits of laughter (on all sides) mocking the opposition leader.
If he can't take advantage of a opportunity like that then perhaps he needs to step aside for the sake of his party.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-corbyn-is-more-popular-than-pm-a3210916.html

the headline reads:

George Osborne’s ratings plunge after Budget and Jeremy Corbyn is more popular than PM

 

[londonblue]

It's a pity that Blairites ( like you) don't recognise that you've lost the argument in the Labour party.

Also that you don't respect the best Mayor that London has ever had.

I'm not a member of the Labour party, and never have been. I've not argued with anyone in the Labour party.

And I don't respect anyone that displays racist tendencies, whether they be left or right. Don't forget it's your opinion, not fact, that the idiot Ken Livingstone is the best Mayor London has ever had. However, he's not exactly up against strong opposition it he? To date there's only been two London Mayors.