Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[Tangled up in Blue]

Centrism is going great guns in France!

Not really.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I just got a reply to a complaint I made about a certain MP!

Dear Greg,
The below individual is no longer a member of the Labour Party and we will therefore be unable to take any further action in relation to this.



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Complaints Team

The Labour Party

 

[KevinJH]

......So on the whole they have seen their vote rocket under Corbyn.....

Pretty interesting stats though maybe I'd put the (impressive) rise down to the rather poor opposition

 

[rigsby]

Labour didn't vote for a referendum, they accepted that in electing a Tory majority in 2015 the public had voted for a referendum so stopped opposing it.

Labour policy in the 2015 GE was against a referendum.

Shame they don't back majority's more often then isn't it. Instead of a winning campaign on domestic issues at the next GE, they will fight a losing campaign on the EU. Still I told you ages ago that's what the big plan was but when it comes to all things Labour, your a shoot the messenger sort guy.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Pretty interesting stats though maybe I'd put the (impressive) rise down to the rather poor opposition

Unlikely that many Tories would vote for who they see as the Devil incarnate. I would imagine the rise is due to the youth vote.

 

[KevinJH]

I would imagine the rise is due to the youth vote.

That'd make sense - I seem to recall Labour's pledge to scrap student tuition fee's.....

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Pretty interesting stats though maybe I'd put the (impressive) rise down to the rather poor opposition

Damn phone.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Shame they don't back majority's more often then isn't it. Instead of a winning campaign on domestic issues at the next GE, they will fight a losing campaign on the EU. Still I told you ages ago that's what the big plan was but when it comes to all things Labour, your a shoot the messenger sort guy.

With the referendum and the referendum result the party has stated their policy and then worked with whatever the result has been. It's the LibDems who rejected the result.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Unlikely that many Tories would vote for who they see as the Devil incarnate. I would imagine the rise is due to the youth vote.

this is also true, I think it was the manifesto / campaign overall that led to the large rise in the Labour vote, seemed to catch and build on enthusiasm.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I just got a reply to a complaint I made about a certain MP!

Dear Greg,
The below individual is no longer a member of the Labour Party and we will therefore be unable to take any further action in relation to this.



Best wishes,



Complaints Team

The Labour Party
That would definitely be a factor.

Dear Greg, can you please stop trying to increase your post count by duplicating posts.

Best wishes,

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Shrimperzone.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Centrism is going great guns in France!

It is indeed, they're in government! At the moment, not the most popular thing since sliced bread but recently recovering a bit in the polls. They have persevered with trying to bring in reforms necessary, in order to drag France into the 21st Century, rather than capitulating at the first hurdle. Having a tough job, like the rest of Europe, standing up to populism. The particular French brand of this phenomena is, of course, Les Gilet Jaunes, who started off with noble aims but have been largely hijacked by an unpleasant selection of racists, anti-semites and extremists from both sides of the political spectrum.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Dear Greg, can you please stop trying to increase your post count by duplicating posts.

Best wishes,

Complaints Team

Shrimperzone.

Of the complaints against me that one is quite mild.
Anyway my post count is increasing because I recently started a job working for the railways.....

 

[MK Shrimper]

Of the complaints against me that one is quite mild.
Anyway my post count is increasing because I recently started a job working for the railways.....

Goddamit, why did noone ask me?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

That'd make sense - I seem to recall Labour's pledge to scrap student tuition fee's.....

It wasn't a pledge-it was an aspiration.Something JC said he'd like to do.

 

[Bielzibubz]

It wasn't a pledge-it was an aspiration.Something JC said he'd like to do.

I'd have liked to have been that weeks lottery winner. Always about the same chance of either happening. I knew it and so did he.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

It wasn't a pledge-it was an aspiration.Something JC said he'd like to do.

Scrapping tuition fees was a pledge.

Do 'something' about tuition fees historic debt was an aspiration.

Tuition fees would not be charged under a Labour government - that was the stated policy and it still is.

 

[KevinJH]

It wasn't a pledge-it was an aspiration.Something JC said he'd like to do.

Guess I should have said "I seem to recall Labour's manifesto statement to scrap student tuition fee's..... "

My apologies.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Scrapping tuition fees was a pledge.

Do 'something' about tuition fees historic debt was an aspiration.

Tuition fees would not be charged under a Labour government - that was the stated policy and it still is.

Am I being dense here? What's the difference between scrapping tuition fees and not being charged tuition fees? The outcome and the means of getting there are the same are they not?

And with a cost of between £7bn and £11bn it was always going to be an aspiration. Still, it bought the young vote which is what it was all about anyway wasn't it.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Am I being dense here? What's the difference between scrapping tuition fees and not being charged tuition fees? The outcome and the means of getting there are the same are they not?

And with a cost of between £7bn and £11bn it was always going to be an aspiration. Still, it bought the young vote which is what it was all about anyway wasn't it.

No it's not an aspiration, it's policy.

Tuition fees would be scrapped as in no tuition fees going forward.

It is existing tuition fee debt that doesn't have a specific policy. i.e. the fees already charged - there is no commitment on those.


What is absolutely crazy is that at the moment the tuition fee commands an interest rate of 6.3% as soon as you start the course. So whilst you are studying the debt is increasing already at a rate that you would not accept on a normal loan. Then all of the unpaid tuition debt plus interest just sits there waiting to be added to the National Debt. The set up is fiscally unsound.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Am I being dense here? What's the difference between scrapping tuition fees and not being charged tuition fees? The outcome and the means of getting there are the same are they not?

And with a cost of between £7bn and £11bn it was always going to be an aspiration. Still, it bought the young vote which is what it was all about anyway wasn't it.

The other thing on this is it bringing in the young vote. Each of those young people has parents and grandparents.

I'm 47, went to Uni and it was free at point of use, my Nan died and left me £3k so I used it as a deposit on a 3 bedroom house in Kingston for £70k.
Next generation are always better off than the previous generation - except this one. I have 2 daughters at uni now and another likely to go in 2 years. If I voted Tory I would knowingly be voting them to be £9k a year plus 6.3% interest worse off than under Labour, plus no evidence of anything being done to make it possible for them to ever own a house.