Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[Blueronron]

Intellectual snobbery of the highest order.

Absolute poppycock, never once have I claimed to intelligent and far from a snob

i read The Times and have only ever voted Labour in 40 years, so probably you will see me a Champagne Socialist, rather than someone who cares for precious things in life ie NHS, Affordable Housing,Welfare state for those less able to provide, whether English or Foreign ( Just a case of where you was born and brought up, to how you can assess a situation beyond your control)

However I will state, if you are swayed by the Right wing or Left wing newspaper arguments, because you cannot make a decision for your self then more fool you.

But then there are people who still believe Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough problem, and The Black shirts were correct in the Battle of Cable Street, its hard to be understanding if you only have a blinkered view

UTS

 

[Benfleet A1]

I trust Momentum will be moving out of the Unite offices that they have occupied.

 

[Napster]

Absolute poppycock, never once have I claimed to intelligent and far from a snob

i read The Times and have only ever voted Labour in 40 years, so probably you will see me a Champagne Socialist, rather than someone who cares for precious things in life ie NHS, Affordable Housing,Welfare state for those less able to provide, whether English or Foreign ( Just a case of where you was born and brought up, to how you can assess a situation beyond your control)

However I will state, if you are swayed by the Right wing or Left wing newspaper arguments, because you cannot make a decision for your self then more fool you.

But then there are people who still believe Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough problem, and The Black shirts were correct in the Battle of Cable Street, its hard to be understanding if you only have a blinkered view

UTS

basing someone's intelligence on what they read is wrong. People are swayed more by their peers than what their choice of paper is.

Of course if you are swayed by the media, fine. But so few people are. Readership is down so much these days. The Sun has lost 1.3m readers since 2010. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation

 

[MK Shrimper]

basing someone's intelligence on what they read is wrong. People are swayed more by their peers than what their choice of paper is.

Of course if you are swayed by the media, fine. But so few people are. Readership is down so much these days. The Sun has lost 1.3m readers since 2010. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation

People will buy the paper and choose the media that concurs with their own political beliefs. I very much doubt that anyone who votes UKIP would buy The Guardian - they may go online and troll CIF.

 

[Uncle Leo]

People will buy the paper and choose the media that concurs with their own political beliefs. I very much doubt that anyone who votes UKIP would buy The Guardian - they may go online and troll CIF.

[Off topic]

Always thought it odd that my in-laws, both lifelong Labour supporters, subscribe to The Telegraph. I guess there are always a few exceptions.

The Times have just upped their subscription prices so I'm ditching them after about five years. Still pondering who to subscribe to now - I like being able to download a paper on to my tablet for the morning commute,

[/Off topic]

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I trust Momentum will be moving out of the Unite offices that they have occupied.

Not exactly occupied. There is crossover in personnel between Momentum and Jez's campaign team. When working on the leadership campaign some of them would answer calls and emails re Momentum. But that's like MK Shrimper 'occupying' Network Rail offices - he is allowed to be there but when he is answering Shrimperzone messages they turn a blind eye!


Another crossover that they didn't highlight was the fact the the legal expert that C4 used was the same lawyer that Labour NEC used to try to keep Jez off the ballot and the same lawyer they used to disenfranchise 130,000 new members. That's impartial for you.


Also the production company that made the Dispatches program also made the Panarama program on a few minutes later that was also a Corbyn expose - anyone would think there was some kind of witch hunt!

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Watched DP earlier and had a newby Labour NEC member on (spoke well IMO) they were discussing the issue surrounding who elects the shadow cabinet i.e. The PLP or the leader or even, as is being proposed, the membership. It seems more than logical to me that Corbyn should be selecting those to work alongside him so they can present a united front, or am I missing something here?
I'm pretty sure May would have chose her cabinet.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Watched DP earlier and had a newby Labour NEC member on (spoke well IMO) they were discussing the issue surrounding who elects the shadow cabinet i.e. The PLP or the leader or even, as is being proposed, the membership. It seems more than logical to me that Corbyn should be selecting those to work alongside him so they can present a united front, or am I missing something here?
I'm pretty sure May would have chose her cabinet.

The idea is to increase democracy and make the MPs more accountable to the members and to stop the leader packing out the cabinet with yes (wo)men. The ideal is sound IMO but has a lot of practical issues.

 

[londonblue]

The idea is to increase democracy and make the MPs more accountable to the members and to stop the leader packing out the cabinet with yes (wo)men. The ideal is sound IMO but has a lot of practical issues.

Indeed. It's akin to us fans picking the manager, and the team. Let the leader lead, if he can.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Indeed. It's akin to us fans picking the manager, and the team. Let the leader lead, if he can.

Ebbsfleet United!!!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I trust Momentum will be moving out of the Unite offices that they have occupied.

Actually,Unite have made it quite clear that they want nothing to do with Momentum.

That was one of the few factual points that came across quite clearly in last night's two crap programmes on Labour.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Actually,Unite have made it quite clear that they want nothing to do with Momentum.

That was one of the few factual points that came across quite clearly in last night's two crap programmes on Labour.

Which is my point. Unite don't want them there but members of Momentum are working there under a different guise and working on a different agenda, something Unite stated from the start.

 

[Benfleet A1]

People will buy the paper and choose the media that concurs with their own political beliefs. I very much doubt that anyone who votes UKIP would buy The Guardian - they may go online and troll CIF.

Is that simular to people who do read The Guardian then link to it for the purposs of trolling?

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Actually,Unite have made it quite clear that they want nothing to do with Momentum.

That was one of the few factual points that came across quite clearly in last night's two crap programmes on Labour.

The key point that many don't seemed to have grasped is that many inside the party, at all levels, believe history will repeat itself with Labour being hijacked by the far left and so much in fighting that it will be, generally, unelectable; as it was when Kinnock had the leadership and so many knives at his back.
Where is David Miliband again?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

The key point that many don't seemed to have grasped is that many inside the party, at all levels, believe history will repeat itself with Labour being hijacked by the far left and so much in fighting that it will be, generally, unelectable; as it was when Kinnock had the leadership and so many knives at his back.
Where is David Miliband again?

What is so special about David Miliband?

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

What is so special about David Miliband?

Lad you need to get yourself on the 4chan - that's some weapons grade autism you've got going on there.

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

Kinnock had 9 years to prove his worth and he lost two elections. I'm not criticising him I'm just pointing out that you wouldn't turn to him for advice on winning elections. Corbyn had 9 months before the internal election distraction and that is not long enough to assess. On announcing a scheme to remove him the amount of extra people who paid £25 to vote was more than the whole of the Tory membership - it took 48 hours for that number to want to get involved - extras on top of the January membership. So with that backing the party has no choice but to give him a fair shot.

so we, you and Corbyn should listen to Tony Blair then?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

so we, you and Corbyn should listen to Tony Blair then?

to a point, he did a lot of good in his day, but some not so good and he would certainly not be seen as a popular figure now with large sections of the public

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Lad you need to get yourself on the 4chan - that's some weapons grade autism you've got going on there.

woah - you dropped the A-bomb just like that with no warning. After Dispatches I'm probably going to be more interested in 4chan than Channel 4 for a while

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

woah - you dropped the A-bomb just like that with no warning. After Dispatches I'm probably going to be more interested in 4chan than Channel 4 for a while

Good lad - you know it makes sense.