Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[londonblue]

Won't happen.

In fact "Boy George" is much more likely to be adversely affected.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37344525

But, according to the article I read (can't remember where), the 2 female MPs in the constituencies that would swallow up his constituency both (under Labour rules) have more of a claim to retain their seats than him. Moreover, he would have to break the rule on all female shortlists if one of them stood aside.

Either way, I would laugh so much.

 

[Uncle Leo]

But, according to the article I read (can't remember where), the 2 female MPs in the constituencies that would swallow up his constituency both (under Labour rules) have more of a claim to retain their seats than him. Moreover, he would have to break the rule on all female shortlists if one of them stood aside.

Either way, I would laugh so much.

It does look like Corbyn will be fine. There are quite a few interesting changes afoot though - e.g. Brexiteers Priti Patel and John Whittingdale both look like they may have to go head-to-head for the same seat.

All told though, these changes are not good news for Labour. That, and still having Corbyn as leader.

 

[londonblue]

It does look like Corbyn will be fine. There are quite a few interesting changes afoot though - e.g. Brexiteers Priti Patel and John Whittingdale both look like they may have to go head-to-head for the same seat.

All told though, these changes are not good news for Labour. That, and still having Corbyn as leader.

I think they're the least of Labour's worries.

 

[Supernaut]

well - I threw a copper kettle at Whoopi Goldberg's cat. It wasn’t Whoopi Goldberg's copper kettle.

Can you come and fix my photocopier?

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Won't happen.

In fact "Boy George" is much more likely to be adversely affected.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37344525

There's a done deal then. Bit like Brexit and the Tory party winning the GE "wont happen"

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

There's a done deal then. Bit like Brexit and the Tory party winning the GE "wont happen"

Ha! You and everybody else on SZ missed the "obvious" chance to bet against me for Brexit and the Tories winning the G/E.:smile:

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Can you come and fix my photocopier?

you see that little space there - magnetic - for your paperclips. I don't do this **** any more.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Could lose his seat at the next GE. Now that would be hysterical.

BBC

Tory style constitutional reform - 50 less elected MPs - 136 new peers for the House of Lords

 

[londonblue]

50 less MPs is sensible. 650 is too many. When they're all seated there's no room. It's ridiculous. The HoL is an irrelevance.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

50 less MPs is sensible. 650 is too many. When they're all seated there's no room. It's ridiculous. The HoL is an irrelevance.

House of Lords is an irrelevance? New laws are scrapped because the government can't get them through the Lords. And at a time of austerity why are we generating more costs for an unelected house? Hardly irrelevant.


The work that MPs have to do to represent their constituents is allegedly already a stretch so less MPs means you get less time from your MP when you need them. The redrawn boundaries means that many people will lose a historic connection with their area. It also creates practical difficulties with the relationship with the new area represented by an MP not matching the council boundaries. It is also based on pre EU referendum levels of voter registration - which has changed massively. It also ignores the masses of non registered voters lost from the registration changes brought in by this government. Also from votes at the last election - if on new boundary terms it would give the Tories a reasonable majority rather than the 12 they currently have. This reduces voter representation. Like much of the current government's legislation it is ill conceived and causes unnecessary upheaval.

 

[londonblue]

House of Lords is an irrelevance? New laws are scrapped because the government can't get them through the Lords. And at a time of austerity why are we generating more costs for an unelected house? Hardly irrelevant.


The work that MPs have to do to represent their constituents is allegedly already a stretch so less MPs means you get less time from your MP when you need them. The redrawn boundaries means that many people will lose a historic connection with their area. It also creates practical difficulties with the relationship with the new area represented by an MP not matching the council boundaries. It is also based on pre EU referendum levels of voter registration - which has changed massively. It also ignores the masses of non registered voters lost from the registration changes brought in by this government. Also from votes at the last election - if on new boundary terms it would give the Tories a reasonable majority rather than the 12 they currently have. This reduces voter representation. Like much of the current government's legislation it is ill conceived and causes unnecessary upheaval.

It's an irrelevance to this thread.

Reducing the number of MPs is just a practical thing, unless we move Parliament to a bigger chamber. (Although they may actually be moving for a period whilst the Palace of Westminster is refurbished.)

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

It's an irrelevance to this thread.

Reducing the number of MPs is just a practical thing, unless we move Parliament to a bigger chamber. (Although they may actually be moving for a period whilst the Palace of Westminster is refurbished.)

!!!
its very relevant to the running of this country and this thread is about the leader of the opposition so its hardly off topic. Its opportunistic more than practical.

 

[mrsblue]

Having watched the comedy show titled "Corbyn v Smith",sinister going on's with Jezza's cronies as they have drawn up a list of MP's who have dissed him.

Scaryashell.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Having watched the comedy show titled "Corbyn v Smith",sinister going on's with Jezza's cronies as they have drawn up a list of MP's who have dissed him.

Scaryashell.

what are your thoughts on the policies that were discussed in the program?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

what are your thoughts on the policies that were discussed in the program?

Thought it was interesting that as John McDonnell pointed out on QT last night, that in most policy areas JC and OS are in agreement.

Let's hope that when JC wins (again) the PLP will get fully behind him and fight the real enemy ie the Tories.

 

[callan]

Thought it was interesting that as John McDonnell pointed out on QT last night, that in most policy areas JC and OS are in agreement.

Let's hope that when JC wins (again) the PLP will get fully behind him and fight the real enemy ie the Tories.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...alan-johnson-labour-will-be-dead-and-finished

Alan Johnson blasts incompetent Corbyn.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...alan-johnson-labour-will-be-dead-and-finished

Alan Johnson blasts incompetent Corbyn.

I would happily have had Alan Johnson as leader but he didn't think he was up to the job and someone filled the void. And the members choose the leader and that is that. He doesn't like Corbyn and has every right not to but to air that in such a way is anti the party. And his criticism is weak - saying he doesnt believe Corbyn voted Remain is pathetic - its a secret ballot and Corbyn was asked and said he voted Remain - nothing else to be said on that, all you can do is ask and accept an answer.
And this
'We would put in speeches for him, ‘That’s why I’m campaigning for Britain to remain in the EU’, and they took it out every time. He would say, ‘That’s why Labour is campaigning to stay in the EU’."
For me 'Labour' says more than 'I' - it implies we are in it together rather than an individual position. But either way makes little difference and if that is worthy of bringing up in his critique then his critique is not worthy.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif]What the old guard still, still don't recognise is the more it feels like a stitch up the more the masses will dig their heels in. I've heard it so many times 'I didn't vote Corbyn last time but I am now'. The only saving grace is that Corbyn himself seems to hold few grudges and bizarre as it sounds to his detractors he has a much better chance of uniting the party than Smith or any of the others.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif]Alan Johnson has gone down in my estimations and I'm not pleased about that. [/FONT]

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/18/momentum-activists-labour-jeremy-corbyn-feature

The new left is on the march in the Labour party.

Time for Blairites like Alan Johnson to retire.

Meanwhile,it's time for the healing to begin in earnest.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37400280

 

[londonblue]

I would happily have had Alan Johnson as leader but he didn't think he was up to the job and someone filled the void. And the members choose the leader and that is that. He doesn't like Corbyn and has every right not to but to air that in such a way is anti the party. And his criticism is weak - saying he doesnt believe Corbyn voted Remain is pathetic - its a secret ballot and Corbyn was asked and said he voted Remain - nothing else to be said on that, all you can do is ask and accept an answer.
And this
'We would put in speeches for him, ‘That’s why I’m campaigning for Britain to remain in the EU’, and they took it out every time. He would say, ‘That’s why Labour is campaigning to stay in the EU’."
For me 'Labour' says more than 'I' - it implies we are in it together rather than an individual position. But either way makes little difference and if that is worthy of bringing up in his critique then his critique is not worthy.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif]What the old guard still, still don't recognise is the more it feels like a stitch up the more the masses will dig their heels in. I've heard it so many times 'I didn't vote Corbyn last time but I am now'. The only saving grace is that Corbyn himself seems to hold few grudges and bizarre as it sounds to his detractors he has a much better chance of uniting the party than Smith or any of the others.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif]Alan Johnson has gone down in my estimations and I'm not pleased about that. [/FONT]

Personally I disagree with that. To me it sounds like he's distancing himself from the rest of the Labour party. "I" would have sounded better because it sounds like he's being a leader and taking ownership. Better still would have been, "I, and the Labour party..."

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Personally I disagree with that. To me it sounds like he's distancing himself from the rest of the Labour party. "I" would have sounded better because it sounds like he's being a leader and taking ownership. Better still would have been, "I, and the Labour party..."

I see it as something where you could express a preference but not something to put on a list of 'this man should not be leader because...' - just makes the argument weaker IMO