Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

they're tartan Tories mate!
they want to cut corporation tax and have a low-tax off shore haven like Ireland.
It all feeds into this thing about us losing coz we're not left wing enough, which is a nice line but not true

they paint themselves as socialist, whether the policies stack up or not they sell themselves as socialist and it makes it easier to take Labour voters

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

they paint themselves as socialist, whether the policies stack up or not they sell themselves as socialist and it makes it easier to take Labour voters

Labour voters are obviously pretty stupid then.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Labour voters are obviously pretty stupid then.

Lets rebuild Hadrian's wall and get the Jocks to pay...

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Lets rebuild Hadrian's wall and get the Jocks to pay...

First sensible thing you've said. Don't tell me you've been out on early evening socialisation? What would Jeremy say.

 

[callan]

Lets rebuild Hadrian's wall and get the Jocks to pay...

Jesus christ.....

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Jesus christ.....

are we going to have to break this down too? It was a reference to Rusty's American political leanings

 

[callan]

are we going to have to break this down too? It was a reference to Rusty's American political leanings

We???....you really are own your own AAS the others are just voices in your head.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

We???....you really are own your own AAS the others are just voices in your head.

its known as the royal we and is commonly used - no cause for concern

 

[Uncle Leo]

Votes don't equal MP's in a first-past-the-post system.Selective use of statistics worthy of Mrs Blue.

I never suggested that that Blair/Brown had "messed up Scotland for Labour".

Merely that the decline of Labour's Parliamentary representation in Scotland could be traced back to their watch.

Thanks for that info about the FPTP system, Peter Kellner. Insightful stuff.

Ok then, let's take seats rather than votes. The point remains


1987 - 49
1992 - 50
1997 - 56
2001 - 46
2005 - 41
2010 - 41
2015 - 1

So under Blair/Brown the Labour party in Scotland hit a peak of 56. At the end of the Blair/Brown era, Labour returned to the same level they had been at in 1983. But there had been a decline in seat numbers since 1997, granted. As I said previously, the SNP need to take a lot of the credit but just look at that demise. From 41 to one in five years. 41! To one! One!

 

[MK Shrimper]

Haha, just had some muppet from Owen Smith's team ring me up and I took great pleasure that he didn't get my vote.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Thanks for that info about the FPTP system, Peter Kellner. Insightful stuff.

Ok then, let's take seats rather than votes. The point remains


1987 - 49
1992 - 50
1997 - 56
2001 - 46
2005 - 41
2010 - 41
2015 - 1

So under Blair/Brown the Labour party in Scotland hit a peak of 56. At the end of the Blair/Brown era, Labour returned to the same level they had been at in 1983. But there had been a decline in seat numbers since 1997, granted. As I said previously, the SNP need to take a lot of the credit but just look at that demise. From 41 to one in five years. 41! To one! One!

That's because Labour made the mistake of joining together on platforms with the Tories and Lib/Dems in speaking out against Scottish independence.Thus fully earning the "Red Tories" sobriquet.

 

[rigsby]

That's because Labour made the mistake of joining together on platforms with the Tories and Lib/Dems in speaking out against Scottish independence.Thus fully earning the "Red Tories" sobriquet.

Are you saying that the party elite refused to listen to its core voters. That would never happen.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Had to review Corbyn's energy and environment manifesto this morning and... it's an absolute mess.

Intends to take solar PV capacity up to 25GW by 2030, claiming it will generate at a cost of £45/MWh. The Committee on Climate Change's best estimate for cost of generation for solar PV in the 2030s is £64/MWh, and Corbyn has also neglected to include costs associated with intermittency, which at that capacity will be ~£10-20/MWh.

He wants 47GW of offshore wind, despite the amount of leasable land off the UK coast only capable of facilitating something like 29GW.

He wants DNOs to be responsible for decarbonising the power supply they operate by 10% each year, but that's not even their responsibility. While DNOs operate and maintain local grid infrastructure they have absolutely no say over what generation is built and connected to the grid, aside from managing connection queues. It just wouldn't work, not even loosely.

It's a well meaning proposal and clearly designed to refute Smith's suggestions that Corbyn couldn't be trusted with the climate, but this manifesto just comes across as a desperate attempt to grab the lead. It's littered with really quite bizarre claims that would never even come close to standing up under proper economic scrutiny.

 

[RHB]

Had to review Corbyn's energy and environment manifesto this morning and... it's an absolute mess.

Intends to take solar PV capacity up to 25GW by 2030, claiming it will generate at a cost of £45/MWh. The Committee on Climate Change's best estimate for cost of generation for solar PV in the 2030s is £64/MWh, and Corbyn has also neglected to include costs associated with intermittency, which at that capacity will be ~£10-20/MWh.

He wants 47GW of offshore wind, despite the amount of leasable land off the UK coast only capable of facilitating something like 29GW.

He wants DNOs to be responsible for decarbonising the power supply they operate by 10% each year, but that's not even their responsibility. While DNOs operate and maintain local grid infrastructure they have absolutely no say over what generation is built and connected to the grid, aside from managing connection queues. It just wouldn't work, not even loosely.

It's a well meaning proposal and clearly designed to refute Smith's suggestions that Corbyn couldn't be trusted with the climate, but this manifesto just comes across as a desperate attempt to grab the lead. It's littered with really quite bizarre claims that would never even come close to standing up under proper economic scrutiny.

Thanks ESB, but when it comes to reviews I think I much prefer your post match ones, at least I can understand them. :dim:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Are you saying that the party elite refused to listen to its core voters. That would never happen.

Before 2015 Labour had taken its core support in Scotland for granted for years.

Don't think that'll be happening again any time in the near future.

 

[rigsby]

Before 2015 Labour had taken its core support in Scotland for granted for years.

Don't think that'll be happening again any time in the near future.

Before June 2016 Labour had taken its support in the north of England for granted for years.

Don't think they will change much any time in the near future.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Had to review Corbyn's energy and environment manifesto this morning and... it's an absolute mess.

Intends to take solar PV capacity up to 25GW by 2030, claiming it will generate at a cost of £45/MWh. The Committee on Climate Change's best estimate for cost of generation for solar PV in the 2030s is £64/MWh, and Corbyn has also neglected to include costs associated with intermittency, which at that capacity will be ~£10-20/MWh.

He wants 47GW of offshore wind, despite the amount of leasable land off the UK coast only capable of facilitating something like 29GW.

He wants DNOs to be responsible for decarbonising the power supply they operate by 10% each year, but that's not even their responsibility. While DNOs operate and maintain local grid infrastructure they have absolutely no say over what generation is built and connected to the grid, aside from managing connection queues. It just wouldn't work, not even loosely.

It's a well meaning proposal and clearly designed to refute Smith's suggestions that Corbyn couldn't be trusted with the climate, but this manifesto just comes across as a desperate attempt to grab the lead. It's littered with really quite bizarre claims that would never even come close to standing up under proper economic scrutiny.

What is it that makes land unleasable off the coast as opposed to just unsuitable?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Before June 2016 Labour had taken its support in the north of England for granted for years.

Don't think they will change much any time in the near future.

I think it would be unwise to confuse the loss of support for Labour's official position in a referendum as evidence that Labour has or will lose support in the North in future parliamentary elections.

While the SNP certainly attracted massive support from former Labour voters, who once they'd broken the habit of voting for Labour's position in the Scottish independence referendum,found it easy to stay with the SNP in last year G/E,it's stretching credulity to see UKIP repeating this particular trick with Labour voters in the North, (or elsewhere), in 2020.

 

[Uncle Leo]

I think it would be unwise to confuse the loss of support for Labour's official position in a referendum as evidence that Labour has or will lose support in the North in future parliamentary elections.

While the SNP certainly attracted massive support from former labour voters, who once they'd broken the habit of voting for Labour's position in the Scottish independence referendum,found it easy to stay with the SNP in last year G/E,it's stretching credulity to see UKIP repeating this trick with Labour voters in the North (or elsewhere) in 2020.

Stretching credulity...like the idea of Labour winning a general election with Jeremy Corbyn as their leader?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I think it would be unwise to confuse the loss of support for Labour's official position in a referendum as evidence that Labour has or will lose support in the North in future parliamentary elections.

While the SNP certainly attracted massive support from former Labour voters, who once they'd broken the habit of voting for Labour's position in the Scottish independence referendum,found it easy to stay with the SNP in last year G/E,it's stretching credulity to see UKIP repeating this particular trick with Labour voters in the North, (or elsewhere), in 2020.

Labour won by elections in Sheffield and Oldham this year with 62% of the vote in each - and increase of 6% and 7% so pre leadership election it seems you are right to think the North is more secure for Labour than Scotland.