Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[Bearded Shrimper]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36838808

I make that a one horse race, actually.:winking:

JC will walk it.

for the good of the party and the country, I desperately hope not

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

that Thangam Debbonaire piece is incredibly damning. the incompetence is staggering but entirely believable.

I first saw the above in this post which is very good. Even the people who worked with Corbyn and tried to make it work want him gone because he's useless.

He's the best thing ever to happen to the Tories as this pretty well demonstrates:
"Speaking as a Tory, every time I remember that Jeremy Corbyn is likely to be Labour leader at the next general election my reaction is similar to every time I remember that there’s a mineral called cummingtonite, it makes me laugh way too much"

then on Friday I had some beers with my mate. as i came out the station the Socialist Workers Party were trying to sign people up to defend Corbyn. They're not even pretending to be Labour people. They are still actively campaigning AGAINST Labour and yet they'll get to decide our leader, madness.

then, come the next election, and leaflets needs to be delivered and doors knocked, i hope all those people campaigning against us pause to think where all the activists they have bullied and harassed out of the party have gone. No doubt a scapegoat will be found, they always are

Tories that claim to laugh at the existence of Corbyn are an irrelevance - their start point is they identify as Tories so why would they understand a left wing stand point.
Socialist Worker have existed for years and always tiny in number but they stick out and get noticed. They latch on to all protects - student fees, CND, anti austerity, anti racism - they make placards and people turn up to protests and are handed one so it looks like SWP's numbers are many but they are not.
Corbyn has inspired a massive increase in party membership and generated votes from people who previously wouldnt vote. Much is made of taking votes off the Tories - another way is creating new votes. Corbyn is an experiment and one that works on the level that he energizes people and makes them want to be involved. The Labour Party are missing the most obvious fact that he will win the leader vote they are better accepting that, accepting the fact their membership can dwarf that of any other party and work with the leader they have because they can't unseat him without losing the membership. With the EU vote he has shown he not set in his ways so the party would be better advised to go with him and have sensible policy debates and smooth his edges.
He is here for the foreseeable future. I'm annoyed with the party for not realising that and trying to doctor the vote - makes them look like a shambles. I'm getting on with it, out leafleting for a local council election, I'd rather they get on with it and stop dicking around and leaving the Tories to do whatever the hell they want.

 

[Napster]

I'm not a Labour man, never have been, but there is something about Corbyn that is absent in politics, he has integrity and principles. He may be a rubbish leader, have rubbish policies, but he embodies the spirit of Labour and the growth in members reflects that. I salute the old curmudgeon.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Owen Smith looks as if he'd be better running as the Tory Leader. http://www.theguardian.com/politics...as-pr-chief-for-biotech-firm-hit-by-762m-fine

He may as well not bother, Corbyn will destroy him in the polls.

 

[londonblue]

Tories that claim to laugh at the existence of Corbyn are an irrelevance - their start point is they identify as Tories so why would they understand a left wing stand point.
Socialist Worker have existed for years and always tiny in number but they stick out and get noticed. They latch on to all protects - student fees, CND, anti austerity, anti racism - they make placards and people turn up to protests and are handed one so it looks like SWP's numbers are many but they are not.
Corbyn has inspired a massive increase in party membership and generated votes from people who previously wouldnt vote. Much is made of taking votes off the Tories - another way is creating new votes. Corbyn is an experiment and one that works on the level that he energizes people and makes them want to be involved. The Labour Party are missing the most obvious fact that he will win the leader vote they are better accepting that, accepting the fact their membership can dwarf that of any other party and work with the leader they have because they can't unseat him without losing the membership. With the EU vote he has shown he not set in his ways so the party would be better advised to go with him and have sensible policy debates and smooth his edges.
He is here for the foreseeable future. I'm annoyed with the party for not realising that and trying to doctor the vote - makes them look like a shambles. I'm getting on with it, out leafleting for a local council election, I'd rather they get on with it and stop dicking around and leaving the Tories to do whatever the hell they want.

That's rather missing the point. They don't need to understand. They only need to understand what the general public believe, and the public have never voted for the SWP in great numbers. Corduroy and his goons are turning the Labour party into the SWP.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Tories that claim to laugh at the existence of Corbyn are an irrelevance - their start point is they identify as Tories so why would they understand a left wing stand point.
Socialist Worker have existed for years and always tiny in number but they stick out and get noticed. They latch on to all protects - student fees, CND, anti austerity, anti racism - they make placards and people turn up to protests and are handed one so it looks like SWP's numbers are many but they are not.
Corbyn has inspired a massive increase in party membership and generated votes from people who previously wouldnt vote. Much is made of taking votes off the Tories - another way is creating new votes. Corbyn is an experiment and one that works on the level that he energizes people and makes them want to be involved. The Labour Party are missing the most obvious fact that he will win the leader vote they are better accepting that, accepting the fact their membership can dwarf that of any other party and work with the leader they have because they can't unseat him without losing the membership. With the EU vote he has shown he not set in his ways so the party would be better advised to go with him and have sensible policy debates and smooth his edges.
He is here for the forseeable future. I'm annoyed with the party for not realising that and trying to doctor the vote - makes them look like a shambles. I'm getting on with it, out leafleting for a local council election, I'd rather they get on with it and stop dicking around and leaving the Tories to do whatever the hell they want.

Well, at least until the day after the next General Election in 2020. :smile:

 

[londonblue]

Owen Smith looks as if he'd be better running as the Tory Leader. http://www.theguardian.com/politics...as-pr-chief-for-biotech-firm-hit-by-762m-fine

He may as well not bother, Corbyn will destroy him in the polls.

Corduroy will win, there's almost no doubt about that. I've said all along that he'll be there at least until the next GE. He's too stubborn and useless to actually realise the damage he's doing. I see the end of the Labour party, or at least a new party forming.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Corduroy will win, there's almost no doubt about that. I've said all along that he'll be there at least until the next GE. He's too stubborn and useless to actually realise the damage he's doing. I see the end of the Labour party, or at least a new party forming.

I agree, I can see Blairites merging with the Lib Dems. Possibly JC is too old and set in his ways - what the Labour party could do with is a younger version of JC - like the Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau.

 

[RHB]

Corduroy will win, there's almost no doubt about that. I've said all along that he'll be there at least until the next GE. He's too stubborn and useless to actually realise the damage he's doing. I see the end of the Labour party, or at least a new party forming.

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely -Sir John Dalberg-Acton

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely -Sir John Dalberg-Acton

Funnily enough, most of the critiscm about JC revolves around his percieved lack of leadership, ie not using the power he has to its full extent.:smile:

 

[RHB]

Funnily enough, most of the critiscm about JC revolves around his percieved lack of leadership, ie not using the power he has to its full extent.:smile:

True, but he is only on the first part of his journey as leader so the power he has is starting to corrupt him. There is plenty of time yet for the full monty.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

That's rather missing the point. They don't need to understand. They only need to understand what the general public believe, and the public have never voted for the SWP in great numbers. Corduroy and his goons are turning the Labour party into the SWP.

they are not though, the SWP latch on but they are tiny, the increase in membership is massive

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Well, at least until the day after the next General Election in 2020. :smile:

with the party machine turning against him after less than a year, and the membership increasing in his favour - sure he will bomb out in 2020 but due to the PLP

 

[londonblue]

they are not though, the SWP latch on but they are tiny, the increase in membership is massive

They're mostly people that should have joined the SWP.

 

[londonblue]

with the party machine turning against him after less than a year, and the membership increasing in his favour - sure he will bomb out in 2020 but due to the PLP

Blimey, there's nothing like getting your excuses in early! He would have bombed anyway. The only people that would have voted for him will still do so regardless of the PLP.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Blimey, there's nothing like getting your excuses in early! He would have bombed anyway. The only people that would have voted for him will still do so regardless of the PLP.

we will never know will we, the media have a big influence on voters and the only thing they have been reporting on re the Labour Party is infighting, no party can win under those circumstances, and no party can win without their membership doing the the donkey work

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

They're mostly people that should have joined the SWP.

SWP with 300,000 members - crazy reaction, these are socialists who are members of a socialist party and its named Labour, for a party to reject such a large membership is madness

 

[Uncle Leo]

SWP with 300,000 members - crazy reaction, these are socialists who are members of a socialist party and its named Labour, for a party to reject such a large membership is madness

And yet. We've heard this sort of stuff before...

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

And yet. We've heard this sort of stuff before...

of course - all parties have a leadership challenge every few years, but this one is clearly only going one way in terms of who gets the most votes from the members, to have it now and by trying to set the terms in a way that gets people's backs up all they are doing is causing conflict

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

of course - all parties have a leadership challenge every few years, but this one is clearly only going one way in terms of who gets the most votes from the members, to have it now and by trying to set the terms in a way that gets people's backs up all they are doing is causing conflict

That could be the understatement of the thread! Conflict? More like mayhem, destroying Labour, undermining any credible opposition, losing (further) the trust of millions of voters, threatening the very fabric of democracy, almost Armageddon; or have I gone too far the other way?