Breaking News Jeacock appeal successful

[Danshrimper]

I also definitely only saw a red brandished. If raising your arms as you appeal is a straight red id be shocked.
Just wondering if having two sent off in error (if that's the case) plus failure to book their players for crowding her could warrant a rematch. Seems to me that any of those players surrounding the ref could easily be one of the players that went on to get a yellow, which would have been a second one. Seems too unusual for there to be no consequence now it's all in the open.

A rematch for one dodgy red card (on the pitch) and some missed bookings? There would be games constantly being replayed across the country.

Understand the frustration but what a ridiculous precedent that would set. Quite rightly there is 0 chance of the game being replayed.

 

[Portuguese Shrimper]

That played a part in appeal evidence too, I think. Was outrageous. She didn't book any Yeovil players for surrounding her either. Madness.

I think it's a simple case of, by the letter of the law, Jeacock didn't deny an obvious goalscoring opportunity, so it should have been a yellow rather than a red.

Maher's was for 2 yellows, so that can't be appealed.

Sitting in the East reds I didn’t see a second yellow shown to Kev! She seemed to go for a straight red!!

 

[overseas shrimper]

Three and a half years and counting, we've been down in this division, and I am genuinely yet to see ANY referee at this level display a strong character and do any of those things.

The simple fact is that regardless of gender, the standard of officiating at this level is appalling, and barely better than county level.

This isn't the Nationwide Conference of 2002/03 anymore, where the gap to the EFL was huge and 90% of the division's clubs were semi-pro. The standard of football and the amount of money riding on success have both improved and increased beyond recognition, but the standard of officiating has been left behind and hasn't matched the rate of improvement everywhere else.

When we were relegated, I spoke to an Orient friend of mine (yep, I also have one) and asked him what we can expect in the National League. He mentioned a few things, but he placed particular emphasis on the absolutely awful refereeing standards. He wasn't wrong.

 

[Chrisb]

When we were relegated, I spoke to an Orient friend of mine (yep, I also have one) and asked him what we can expect in the National League. He mentioned a few things, but he placed particular emphasis on the absolutely awful refereeing standards. He wasn't wrong.

Yes, my Sutton supporter friend said exactly the same too.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Plenty of male refs we have had have been equally incapable of applying the laws of the game effectively and have been influenced by the opposition in recent years.

Poppycock. A male would have naturally been able to control the many situations in that game which ultimately cost us and both the opposition players and that idiot 4th official knew it.

Why do women want to referee a mans football match anyway it makes absolutely no sense to me unless its about trying to prove something (definitely was in her case) or a tick box exercise by the NL and I am sure not only men would agree with that.

 

[Target man]

Sitting in the East reds I didn’t see a second yellow shown to Kev! She seemed to go for a straight red!!

100% first got a yellow. Second time straight right for raising his arms to appeal for a pen. He was directly in front of me and I can confirm he didn't say anything. In fact, there was confusion as to who was sent off at first as Kev thought it was Benno. It was chaos from the ref and the 4th.

When Kev got his red, he and Darren were in complete disbelief. At the time Darren looked up at the Directors Box and asked if the officials were being assessed. The whole situation was a farce.

The 4th was making the calls, was in the refs ear and had it out for our management team from the very off.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

I can tell you one thing she will have got little to no help from with the decision from the assistant in front of the Easts who was covering that half of the pitch. He didn’t get into a run all match and jogged along as if he had piles :-)

He should of seen all the covering players if he’d been up with play- maybe he did and that led to the initial yellow.

I don’t suppose a report goes with the decision to explain the thought process- so we will never no and I guess move on

Just this.
Had she done nothing while the furore kicked off around her, but gone over to the lino, and THEN made a decision, she might have stood more of a chance.
As it was, that equivocation did her no favours.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

She needs demoting, along with the 4th official. I’d say the same if it were a man with such a dreadful performance, before the sexist police come at me. In fact there’s several that are deserving, that we’ve seen in this godforsaken league.

Have said from Day One the standard of refereeing in the NL is poor.
Fifth tier football: fifth tier officialdom.
But we need to work it better in our favour, and play on refs' weaknesses; knowing when to get in their ear and when to shut up.
The thing with the Jeacock cards was evident to 7,000 - and later to the world and his wife.
But Kev?
He claims, and he would wouldn't he? he merely put up his hands. I would be interested if anyone in the the East heard anything said? Mind, you would need supersonic hearing for that too!
Heat of the moment and all that, but NL refs will be aware of him from now on - if they weren't already.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

Three and a half years and counting, we've been down in this division, and I am genuinely yet to see ANY referee at this level display a strong character and do any of those things.

The simple fact is that regardless of gender, the standard of officiating at this level is appalling, and barely better than county level.

This isn't the Nationwide Conference of 2002/03 anymore, where the gap to the EFL was huge and 90% of the division's clubs were semi-pro. The standard of football and the amount of money riding on success have both improved and increased beyond recognition, but the standard of officiating has been left behind and hasn't matched the rate of improvement everywhere else.

Just this, as well.
Have said already this is what you get at fifth tier, and unlikely to change. BTW, 'any' ref? But you might remember Kirsty Dowle from last season - and this. Mind you, we won that game didn't we?

Female ref who quit railway worker job gives perfect response amid VAR fallout

Following the Shrimpers' 2-0 victory over Oxford United in the National League, official Kirsty Dowle was applauded for her impeccable performance in the centre of the park

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Blues ‘n’ twos]

Have said from Day One the standard of refereeing in the NL is poor.
Fifth tier football: fifth tier officialdom.
But we need to work it better in our favour, and play on refs' weaknesses; knowing when to get in their ear and when to shut up.
The thing with the Jeacock cards was evident to 7,000 - and later to the world and his wife.
But Kev?
He claims, and he would wouldn't he? he merely put up his hands. I would be interested if anyone in the the East heard anything said? Mind, you would need supersonic hearing for that too!
Heat of the moment and all that, but NL refs will be aware of him from now on - if they weren't already.

I sit directly behind the coaching staff, all Kev done was to raise both arms in bewilderment, turn around and take a couple of steps back to DC and ask what is going on here, NO swearing, NO derogatory remarks, the 4th couldn’t wait to get on the radio!

 

[Sammy Shrimper]

Just this, as well.
Have said already this is what you get at fifth tier, and unlikely to change. BTW, 'any' ref? But you might remember Kirsty Dowle from last season - and this. Mind you, we won that game didn't we?

Female ref who quit railway worker job gives perfect response amid VAR fallout

Following the Shrimpers' 2-0 victory over Oxford United in the National League, official Kirsty Dowle was applauded for her impeccable performance in the centre of the park

www.mirror.co.uk

Oxford United or City? Clearly The Mirror knows the National League!

 

[Target man]

Have said from Day One the standard of refereeing in the NL is poor.
Fifth tier football: fifth tier officialdom.
But we need to work it better in our favour, and play on refs' weaknesses; knowing when to get in their ear and when to shut up.
The thing with the Jeacock cards was evident to 7,000 - and later to the world and his wife.
But Kev?
He claims, and he would wouldn't he? he merely put up his hands. I would be interested if anyone in the the East heard anything said? Mind, you would need supersonic hearing for that too!
Heat of the moment and all that, but NL refs will be aware of him from now on - if they weren't already.

As already suggested, I sit front row right next to the duggout, so I hear everything.
There are times Kev does speak out, but on this occasion, absolutely nothing was said. What I did hear, non stop, was the 4th constantly in the refs ear and talking down to Kev and Daz from the first minute, picking at every little thing. The opposition coach was far more verbal, and nothing was said.

 

[Spenser]

Poppycock. A male would have naturally been able to control the many situations in that game which ultimately cost us and both the opposition players and that idiot 4th official knew it.

Why do women want to referee a mans football match anyway it makes absolutely no sense to me unless its about trying to prove something (definitely was in her case) or a tick box exercise by the NL and I am sure not only men would agree with that.

So you think the male refs we have had since being in the National League have been ok.
I'm happy to agree to disagree and not respond to your second paragraph.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

So you think the male refs we have had since being in the National League have been ok.
I'm happy to agree to disagree and not respond to your second paragraph.

I am talking more about the ability to get a grip on a situation young man.

As per my comments, that game needed a referee who could get a hold of the game and she couldn't/didn't which resulted in "the tail wagging the dog".

If you are going to comment on my posts, at least read them properly.

 

[IloveShrimp]

The incorrect decision still cost us the game and you never know promotion too. The officials should all serve a ban!

 

[Target man]

The incorrect decision still cost us the game and you never know promotion too. The officials should all serve a ban!

Can't agree with this. In Tommy Breen's case a public flogging surely would be more deserving .....

 

[kentblues]

So confirmed the reason for Jeacock’s dismissal according to the referee was:
S4- Denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball
Possible reasons for successful appeal
- it was not deliberate (ball hit another part of the body first, distance ball travelled, no hand to ball, hands not in an unnatural position- any one/combination will do)
- it was not an obvious goal scoring opportunity given a number of covering defenders (this would result in an upheld appeal even if the handball had been deliberate)

Interestingly Kev’s red card has not been registered on the FA website at all (managers are also shown eg. Kev’s previous red card).
So I assume either under appeal or withdrawn (not sure the latter is an option but nothing would surprise me)

 

[Holy Joe]

So confirmed the reason for Jeacock’s dismissal according to the referee was:
S4- Denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball
Possible reasons for successful appeal
- it was not deliberate (ball hit another part of the body first, distance ball travelled, no hand to ball, hands not in an unnatural position- any one/combination will do)
- it was not an obvious goal scoring opportunity given a number of covering defenders (this would result in an upheld appeal even if the handball had been deliberate)

Interestingly Kev’s red card has not been registered on the FA website at all (managers are also shown eg. Kev’s previous red card).
So I assume either under appeal or withdrawn (not sure the latter is an option but nothing would surprise me)

Could there be a third reason in that as play continued the striker got his shot away and thus the goalscoring opportunity wasn't denied?

 

[kentblues]

Could there be a third reason in that as play continued the striker got his shot away and thus the goalscoring opportunity wasn't denied?

Yes if advantage had been played it would have been yet another reason but tbh I don’t think she played advantage. So her decision would have been based on the initial incident and anything that followed would not be relevant.

 

[in the know]

Maybe on the 'elite' \ 'fast track' \ 'put me at the top of the list and call me Pierre Luigi Byrne' programme, you can get double points for sending a manager off. Probably got some bonus points for Saturday's achievements.
On a serious note, id expect a ref that's on the elite fast track list to be watched and assessed at every game regardless if a man or woman.